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Terramar long sleeve base layer crew shirt.
Bob values comfort and the technical benefits that wearing a baselayer piece of clothing bring. While he considered the sleeveless Ibex piece that weighs 3.4 ounces he realized that this was not a summer jaunt so a long sleeve shirt was really what was needed. If that shirt could provide a little additional warmth with the extra softness of silk so much the better. The Terramar Terramawool long sleeve crew shirt fit the bill. With its 2-ply fabric consisting of a silk inner layer and 150g/m2 wool outer layer Bob should feel quite confident and comfortable in this torso baselayer.
- Available: July 2008
- MSRP: $65
- Weight: 4.5 ounces for a Men's size large

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(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife
Locale: North Idaho
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(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife
Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Hey Mike
Looks to me as though Bob P Lightfoot already has a whole lot of gear. Shouldn't he be standing there in the buff, shivering, with no pack?
Cheers!
(kthompson) - MLife
Locale: Eel River Valley
Sure make it easy on yourselves. Why can't Bob be 6'4" 220lbs. and wear a size 15 shoe. Welcome to my world. Most is too small. For my clothing weights I'll double the weight of those tiny medium clothes. Most tents are too short. Shoe and boot manufacturers, only a handful make anything larger than a thirteen. Have fun shopping! Come on challenge yourselves.
(cmcrooker) - MLife
Locale: Desert Southwest, USA
Ya know, I think I met Bob in Montana one time. I'm not positive though - he was so average in appearance he didn't make a strong impression on me. The only thing I remember is that he seemed a mite scatter brained, often walking off without his pack. I'm not surprised the marmots got it.
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife
Locale: North Idaho
>> Looks to me as though Bob P Lightfoot already has a whole lot of gear. Shouldn't he be standing there in the buff, shivering, with no pack?
Andrew Skurka wouldn't let us use his notorious sub-zero photo in the buff again. So we had to use a pre-marmot photo of Bob. ;-)
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife
Locale: North Idaho
>> Sure make it easy on yourselves. Why can't Bob be 6'4" 220lbs. and wear a size 15 shoe. Welcome to my world. Most is too small. For my clothing weights I'll double the weight of those tiny medium clothes. Most tents are too short. Shoe and boot manufacturers, only a handful make anything larger than a thirteen. Have fun shopping! Come on challenge yourselves.
Ken,
I feel your pain -- especially when comparing pack weights with Ryan who is self-described as "compact". :)
I'd be careful about commenting about Bob's size, though. He's a bit, how shall we say, sensitive about certain issues...
-Mike
(sharalds) - MLife
Locale: Gallatin Range
Those whistle pigs can be mean son's a b's!
(rluke) - F
Locale: Atlanta (missing CA)
I feel your pain Ken! I am 6'4", 215 lbs., and wear a size 13 shoe. I would be interested to hear what gear you (or other individuals with the same dimensions) have found that works for tall guys.
Edited by rluke on 01/23/2008 08:26:04 MST.
(retropump) - F
Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Hmmm, Bobina here (Bob's wife) is glad he's finally been caught messing with the marmots. He's been up to animla mischief for years, and personally I think 30 days is just a slap on the wrist. 30 years is what I would have given him.
BPL would be much better fitting ME out with new gear, as I am always miserable on winter trips because Bob has always chosen my gear for me. I'm middle aged, female, 5'5 and a bit wide in girth. I feel the cold like a bald marmot....I'm a side sleeper who tosses and turns. I HATE carrying any weight on my shoulders, but my hips are prone to abrasion from ill-fitting hip belts. My gear and shoes are always too long, but never wide enough. I have a morbid fear of insects (and marmots) getting at me in un-meshed tarps. That's just for starters. Bob says I just complain too much, unlike the marmots who he reckons never talk back or complain. Then again they probably never cook for him or clean up after him, or make excuses when he makes a drunken fool of himself in public.
(SteveBalster) - F - M
Locale: Central Montana
Ken:
I know how you feel .... I am 6'3", 210 lbs and wear size 13. It is a challenge. Just a question for the group - why would Bob need bear spray in the middle of the winter in the Beartooths?
(gmatthews) - MLife
Nice concept to put a face on the gear show. Looking forward to the results.
Unfortunately for Bob, I've heard that a gang of Marmots are incarcerated at Gallatin County Jail. It might get ugly.
(sharalds) - MLife
Locale: Gallatin Range
Yes, that MIGHT get ugly considering they can slip right through the bars on all the cells!
(addiebedford) - BPL Staff - MLife
Locale: Montana
Look what we found! The ladies in our crew are all excited, while the fellas are non-plussed, but they've never been bitten in the rear by mosquitoes while trying to wee.

The Whiz is a HUG: Hygienic Urine Guide. The cool parts are the fact that it's hydrophobic (give it a firm shake, and it's dry), it's soft (more comfortable than comparable products), and it enables us gals to wee anywhere a man could.
You don't have to squat (though you can), you don't have to drop trou (nice when it's frosty out or you're where it's culturally taboo), and you don't have to worry about touching (or falling into) a dirty toilet or squatty potty. The downside: we don't think we are nimble enough to write our names.
MSRP: $19.95
Weight: 0.5 oz (14.2 g)
Leak free and made from medical grade thermo plastic elastomer.
Impregnated with antibacterial, antifungal and antimicrobial agents.
Will not overflow, leak or cause splash back.
Reusable and discreet.
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife
Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Interesting comment about the bears and bear spray in the winter.
Grizzly bears do hibernate in the sense that they hang out in their den for a few months.
However, they are not true hibernators in the sense that, say, a squirrel is, and so, they are easily aroused. In Yellowstone, they've been seen out of their den in the middle of winter. I've seen winter tracks on high slopes (> 8000 feet) in the winter.
If the weather does warm during mid-winter, grizzly bears have been known to exit their den. In mild years, a griz might be found doing its normal routine as late as December, or as early as February.
Edited by ryan on 01/24/2008 00:00:31 MST.
(MikeWinegard) - F
They don't hibernate even as much as bears. Any sunny day will find them out running around.
(cmcrooker) - MLife
Locale: Desert Southwest, USA
The Whiz Freedom looks interesting. I tried two other "pee funnels" and gave them up. The most compact one required more hands on and practice than I liked and the larger one was hard plastic and the shape allowed some back overflow at least once. I like the shape of the Freedom and the softer plastic.
Edited by cmcrooker on 01/24/2008 07:47:28 MST.
(toomanyarrows)
Locale: Southeast U.S.
When and where can I get one of these for my wife? Her bathroom issues are putting a damper on our camping enjoyment!Hugs (and kisses)lol.
(cmcrooker) - MLife
Locale: Desert Southwest, USA
http://www.whizproducts.co.uk/en/whiz_freedom_features.aspx
Edited by cmcrooker on 01/24/2008 08:13:49 MST.
(SmokiesHanger) - F
Locale: Boulder
As much as I love talking about hygienic products ;), is their a relative time for when this hat will be released? I couldn't find it on their website.
(wandering_bob) - MLife
Locale: Oregon, USA
all that little wizzer needs now is a US distributor and the orders will roll in.