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Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review

Although the Scarp 2 incorporates several weight-saving and space-making design elements to create a friendly, roomy, well ventilated, and stable tent for two campers, these benefits do not come without compromise.

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Overall Rating: Recommended

Although the Scarp 2 incorporates several weight-saving and space-making design elements to create a friendly, roomy, well ventilated, and stable tent for two campers, these benefits do not come without compromise. The single lateral pole design provides minimal structure, and both sides of the tent body have a large unsupported area, so the Scarp 2 is not a true three-season tent capable of withstanding wet snow and occasional strong winds. It would be more accurate to call it an ultralight summer (one- or two-season) double-wall tent, and it’s a very good one at that. The fact that the Scarp 2 does not really stand out from the competition in my comparison table is another reason I withheld our Highly Recommended rating.

In its claimed “four-season” mode, the Scarp 2 is more accurately categorized as a three-season tent, capable of handling the variety of true three-season conditions that occur between the spring and winter solstice, including the occasional wet snowfall and shoulder season winds. In this mode, the Scarp 2 clearly has more compromises and limitations. While this version provides enhanced wind stability and resilience in a gentle snowfall, it is less capable of handling wind-driven snow or heavy snowfall. The same fly and top vents that provide excellent summer ventilation are a nemesis for winter camping because they allow wind-driven snow to enter. For “four-season” use, my rating is reduced to Average.

As a postscript, I would like to add that while conceptually a convertible three-season/four-season-tent is appealing and versatile, the implementation is very difficult without serious compromises, and the Scarp 2 is a good example. Possibilities going forth might include either (1) eliminating the four-season configuration of the Scarp 2 and offering it as a summer tent with two alternative interiors (mesh or solid nylon), or (2) keeping the four-season configuration (with the solid nylon interior and added cross poles for stability) and offering a specialized winter fly that excludes wind-driven snow and spindrift.

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Introduction

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 1
The Tarptent Scarp 2 on a late winter visit to the alpine tundra in southern Colorado. The Scarp 2 is a two-person double-wall three-season tent weighing 3.25 pounds, or a winter-light four-season tent weighing 4.5 pounds, and it has two doors and two vestibules and loads of interior room.

Until recently, hikers looking for a really lightweight (around 3 pounds) two-person double-wall tent had to choose from a short list, namely the Big Sky International tents (Evolution, Convertible, Montana, and Revolution), Terra Nova Laser, and MSR Carbon Reflex 2. Selecting an ultralight double-wall tent can be frustrating, because in order to cut weight, some manufacturers have made compromises in tent size, fabrics, features, and durability. The addition of the new (May 2009) Tarptent Scarp 2 may make the selection a little easier because it has two doors with vestibules, loads of interior room, good ventilation, value pricing, and it weighs just 3.25 pounds. Is the Scarp 2 the new standout in this category, or does it have some limitations of its own?

Specifications

  Year/Manufacturer/Model

2009 Tarptent Scarp 2

  Style

Three- or four-season, two-person, double-wall tent with floor and two side entry doors with vestibules; freestanding in four-season configuration

  Included

Tent body, fly, one aluminum hoop pole, six aluminum stakes, stake sack, tent stuff sack

  Fabrics

Fly and floor are 1.3 oz/yd2 (44 g/m2) silnylon; mesh interior is 0.7 oz/yd2 (23.7 g/m2) ; nylon interior is 1.1 oz/yd2 (37.3 g/m2), uncoated but calendared for water resistance

  Poles and Stakes

One Easton 0.340 in (8.6 mm) 7075-T9 aluminum center hoop pole, PitchLok corners and center supports contain a total of ten 18-inch (46-cm) carbon fiber struts in webbing sleeves, six Easton aluminum tubular 8-inch (20-cm) stakes

  Floor Dimensions

Manufacturer Specifications:
Length: 86 in (218 cm)
Width: 52 in (132 cm)
Height: 45 in (114 cm)
BPL Measured:
Length: 86 in (218 cm)
Width: 50-52 in (127-132 cm)
Center Height: 45 in (114 cm)
End Height: 24 in (61 cm) at sleeper’s head

  Features

Single lateral hoop pole, fly and interior pitch as one unit, two side entry doors with vestibules, two top vents, truncated ends with PitchLok corners, two mesh storage pockets, three- and four-season configurations

  Packed Size

20 x 5 in (51 x 13 cm)

  Total Weight

BPL Measured Weight Three-Season Version: 3 lb 4.9 oz (1.49 kg)
Manufacturer Specification: 3 lb 6 oz (1.53 kg);
BPL Measured Weight Four-Season Version: 4 lb, 8.1 oz (2.04 kg)
Manufacturer Specification: 4 lb 9.5 oz (2.08 kg)

  Trail Weight

Measured Weight Three-Season Version: 3 lb 4.1 oz (1.48 kg)
Measured Weight Four-Season Version: 4 lb, 0.1 oz (1.85 kg) (excludes stuff sack and stake sack)

  Protected Area

Floor Area: 31 ft2 (2.99 m2)
Vestibule Area: 12 ft2 (1.11 m2)
Total Protected Area: 43 ft2 (3.99 m2)

  Protected Area/Trail Weight Ratio

13.2 ft2/lb for three-season version, 10.7 ft2/lb for four-season version

  MSRP

US$325

  Options

Opting for the nylon interior adds US$20 (adds 2.5 oz/71 g), US$135 if purchased separately; two exterior Easton 0.340 aluminum cross poles US$30 (17 oz/482 g)

Design and Features

The Tarptent Scarp 2 incorporates some unique design characteristics to increase interior space and minimize weight. The tent is supported by one lateral hoop pole in the center that spans the living space plus two vestibules, and the ends of the tent are truncated by means of Tarptent's patent-pending PitchLoc corners and struts. These design elements are not totally new - Terra Nova, Exped, and Hilleberg use a single hoop pole in certain models - but the implementation is typical Tarptent ingenuity.

Another unique feature (for the US) is the Scarp double-wall tents pitch as one unit (interior plus fly), so setup is faster and dryer than the typical two-step setup of attaching poles to the inner tent then laying the fly over it. Further, the Scarp 2 is available with either an all mesh or a solid nylon interior, and exterior cross-poles are available to make the tent more wind stable and storm worthy for four-season use. Although none of these elements are new (except the PitchLoc corners), what is new is combining these space-making and weight-saving elements into one tent.

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 2
The Scarp 2 is available in three-season (top left and right) and four-season (bottom left and right) versions. The three-season version has a mesh interior and single hoop pole. The four-season version has a solid nylon interior and adds two exterior cross poles to tension the fly.

Some hikers prefer a solid nylon interior in a three-season tent, rather than a mesh interior (many Europeans do). There are several advantages: there's more privacy, it's warmer, and it sheds any condensation dripping from the fly. Opting for the solid nylon interior adds 2.5 ounces to the weight and US$20 to the cost.

Like the Big Sky International Convertible and Montana, the four-season version of the Tarptent Scarp 2 is rated for light-duty winter use, meaning it will withstand moderate winds and snow loads. It is not a bomber/alpine/expedition tent capable of withstanding extreme conditions. The advantage is light weight (4.5 pounds) and versatility. Many hikers want to go on an occasional winter camping trip in better weather to backcountry ski and experience the winter splendor, and a winter-light tent is a good choice for that situation.

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 3
Views of the Tarptent Scarp 2. The side view (top left) shows the single lateral ridge pole (in yellow sleeve) used in the three-season version. The end view (top right) shows the tent's PitchLok triangular corners and straps on the fly used to attach exterior cross poles for four-season use. The top view (bottom left) shows how effectively the exterior cross poles extend and tension the fly, and also shows the tent's dual top vents. A downward view (bottom left) shows the tent with the vestibules open.

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 4
Outside features. The ends of the tent are truncated (left) resulting in more usable inside space. Tarptent's new PitchLok corners (center) enable the truncated ends and add stability. They consist of carbon fiber struts inside a webbing sleeve and fold together for packing. The tent's two top vents (right) face opposite directions, and partially close with a clip and loop.

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 5
Inside features. Each vestibule (left) has 6 square feet of storage area, enough for a large pack, boots, and more. There are two small mesh pockets (center) at the head end that lie on the floor. Each vestibule door has a side-release buckle at the bottom (right) to relieve tension on the zipper.

 

 

For a better viewing experience, please download the Flash Player. Video tour of the Tarptent Scarp 2 in both three- and four-season configurations.

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Performance

Setup is similar to the Tarptent Rainbow tents, except the hoop pole is lateral rather than longitudinal. Insert the pole into its sleeve and attach the ends to grommets, stake one end of the tent, stake the other end, then adjust stakes and tension. The center hoop pole extends and tensions the vestibules. I found the Scarp 2 a little fussier to adjust compared to other tents, but it has a total of ten Line-Lok tensioners to keep the tent taut.

The ergonomics and usable space of the Scarp 2 are excellent. The dual side entries make it very convenient for two people to inhabit the tent, and each person has his/her own vestibule for storage. When the vestibule doors are closed, the entry doors in the inner tent can be left open to incorporate the vestibules into the tent's usable space. And the Scarp has loads of usable space for two people: the floor is an honest 50 inches wide, the inside length is 86 inches, minimum height at the ends is 18 inches, and maximum height in the center is 45 inches. The Scarp is an excellent tent for tall hikers. My only complaint is the tent's design does not allow for large and convenient storage pockets; the Scarp 2 has only two small mesh pockets at the head end, and they are just big enough for a pair of glasses.

Late winter and spring is a good time for testing tents, because of the frequency of snow and wind storms. I tested the Scarp 2 in numerous storms, and found:

  • Without the exterior cross poles, the canopy compresses a lot with a coating of wet snow or a strong wind. It also flaps a lot in the wind.
  • With the exterior cross poles installed, the tent deflects snow and wind well.
  • The supplied Easton 8-inch tubular stakes hold well in soil, but they do not hold well in snow or sand. Specialized snow stakes are necessary for snow camping.
  • The PitchLok corners and cross poles have a tendency to pull the stakes out of the ground, especially in snow and sand, unless they are inserted at a 45 degree angle.
  • Wind-driven snow and rain can enter the tent through the top vents. There is no way to close them completely or adjust them from inside the tent.
  • The bottom of the fly is 6-8 inches above the ground. Sand and dust blow in during a desert windstorm, and spindrift comes in during a windy snowstorm. A fly with snow flaps is not available for winter camping, but it helps to pile snow around the perimeter of the tent to reduce spindrift.
  • The nylon interior is essential for snow camping. It prevents spindrift from entering the interior living space, and retains heat. I measured a 15 F inside/outside temperature difference one cold morning.
  • When not in use, the straps on the fly used to connect the cross poles blow around in the wind and abrade the silnylon fly. I recommend removing them to save 0.5 ounce and eliminate their flapping around.
  • The inner tent is not tensioned very much because it basically hangs from the fly. This creates a lot of space between the inner tent and fly (6-10 inches) for good ventilation.
  • The Scarp is well ventilated due to its raised fly, abundant air space between the inner tent and fly, and two top vents. On a windy night, a breeze circulates through the tent, but the mesh interior does a good job of minimizing it, and the nylon interior provides even more protection.
  • Because of the Scarp's corner and end struts (total of 10) the tent can't be stuffed, rather its best to gather the struts at each end, fold the tent body to their length (18 inches), roll it up, and insert it into the stuff sack.

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 7
Without the exterior cross poles, a small amount of wet snow really compresses the tent's canopy (left). With the cross poles installed, dry snow readily slides off (center). The vestibules are raised 7.5 inches off the ground, so snow comes in at the bottom (right).

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 8
the PitchLok corners and exterior cross poles have a tendency to pull stakes out of snow and sand (left), so it's important to use long stakes and drive them in at a 45 degree angle. The Scarp has a 6-10 inch air space between the inner tent and fly (center), which helps ventilation. Dust and pollen stick to the silnylon fly (right), which is true for any silnylon tent.

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review - 9
The Scarp 2 can be pitched with the fly and poles only to create a very roomy single wall floorless tent weighing 2 pounds 6.6 ounces. I tested the fly-only configuration on one trip, by myself, and found it big enough to sleep three people! The raised sidewalls allow breezes (and bugs) to pass through the tent.

The Scarp 2 has excellent ventilation, consisting of raised sidewalls, a large space between the inner tent and fly, and two top vents. I experienced little or no condensation in the Scarp 2 when there was some air movement. However, I still had heavy condensation on the inside of the fly on several occasions (a calm, still night with a large temperature drop), which is normal. Many people prefer a double-wall tent because it "eliminates the condensation problem". That's a myth. A double-wall tent's insulating air space avoids the formation of condensation to some extent, but there are still many occasions when condensation forms on the inside of the fly. The inner tent provides a buffer from direct contact with the condensation (which is nice), but you still pack up a wet tent in the morning.

Assessment

How does the new Scarp 2 compare with the competition? I assembled the following table to provide some comparative specifications. For a fair comparison, all of the tents listed are three-season, two-person, double-wall, with aluminum poles (except the MSR Carbon Reflex 2, which does not have an aluminum pole option), and weigh less than 3.5 pounds.

Tent Mfr. Total Weight Floor Area (ft2) Number of Doors Number of Vestibules Vestibule Area (ft2) Floor Dimensions and Height (WxLxH) MSRP (US$)
Terra Nova Laser 2 lb 12 oz 20.7 1 1 8 35x88x37 420
MSR Carbon Reflex 2 3 lb 4 oz 23.3 1 2 14 40x84x40 500
Big Sky International Evolution 2P 3 lb 0.1 oz 32.7 2 2 16.8 56/46x84x42 372
Big Sky International Convertible 2P 3 lb 4.4 oz 32.7 2 2 16.8 56/46x84x42 390
Big Sky International Montana 2P 2 lb 10.1 oz 32.7 1 2 16.8 56/46x84x42 350
Big Sky International Revolution 2P 3 lb 0.9 oz 32.7 2 2 16.8 56/46x84x42 372
Tarptent Scarp 2 3 lb 6 oz 31 2 2 12 50x86x45 325

Some highlights from the information in the table:

  • The floor area of the Terra Nova and MSR tents is small and the cost is high.
  • The Terra Nova Laser is definitely the lightest, but the interior is rather cramped and it has only one vestibule.
  • The Big Sky International tents are a bit lighter than the Tarptent Scarp 2, and have a little more floor area and much more vestibule area.
  • The Tarptent Scarp 2 holds its own compared to the competition. It costs a little less, but it's also a bit smaller than the Big Sky tents and weighs a little more.

The closest comparison is between the Tarptent Scarp 2 and the Big Sky International Convertible 2P, because both tents set up as one unit and have three-season and four-season versions. The differences are in the details. The Convertible has four large mesh storage pockets, uses two poles in an X-pattern, has larger vestibules, and costs $45 more, but it's available with only one fly with snow flaps. The Scarp 2 has two small pockets, uses one lateral hoop pole plus ten struts, has smaller vestibules, costs less, and also is available with only one fly that has attachments for external cross poles. Both tents have two top vents. The Scarp 2's longer length and truncated ends give lots of interior headroom, but the Convertible has steep endwalls and also has good headroom. There is no clear standout in this comparison, and the final choice depends on user preferences.

In my opinion, the Scarp 2 is an excellent choice for a three-season tent, but I have a few reservations about it in four-season mode. The attachment of the exterior cross-poles is a bit funky and time consuming (but they work well). I asked Henry Shires at Tarptent about the possibility of using clips instead of the tie-down straps, and he explained that he tried hard to develop a clip attachment (which would be faster), but it simply didn't work out. Another issue is the large gap under the fly, which is an asset for three-season use, but allows snow to come into the vestibules when snow camping. The only solution I can suggest is to pile snow around the perimeter of the tent, as needed, to keep wind-driven snow out of the vestibules. Finally, there's little that can be done to prevent wind-driven snow from entering the tent through the top vents (except for stuffing something into the vent to seal it, or orienting the tent sideways into the wind, which is not recommended).

I personally like the Scarp 2 with the nylon interior. It weighs 2.5 ounces more, but it retains heat when cold weather camping, and it sheds condensation and spindrift. Another advantage of choosing the nylon interior for three-season use is that it only requires the addition of the exterior cross-poles (US$30) to have the versatility of a three-season or four-season tent.

What's Good

  • Roomy two-person double-wall tent weighing 3.25 pounds
  • Utilizes a one pole hoop design and truncated ends to minimize weight while maximizing interior usable space
  • Inner tent and fly pitch together as a unit
  • Mesh and solid nylon interiors available
  • Three- and four-season versions available
  • Four-season version is very wind stable and storm worthy
  • Large air space between the inner tent and fly
  • Two doors and two vestibules
  • Plenty of space for two hikers plus gear
  • Good tent for tall hikers
  • Excellent ventilation
  • Stakes are included with the tent

What's Not So Good

  • Storage pockets are very small and lay on the floor
  • Three-season version flaps in the wind
  • Dust and pollen stick to the silnylon fly
  • Exterior cross poles are time-consuming to attach
  • Four-season version allows wind-driven snow to enter

Recommendations for Improvement

  • Larger storage pockets
  • Offer a separate fly for the four-season version that has snow flaps on the bottom and closable vents on the top. This would allow the removal of the pole attachments on the summer fly.

Citation

"Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review," by Will Rietveld. BackpackingLight.com (ISSN 1537-0364).
http://backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/tarptent_scarp2_tent.html, 2009-06-16 00:15:00-06.

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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/16/2009 16:51:52 MDT Print View

Companion forum thread to:

Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Arigato! on 06/17/2009 03:33:03 MDT Print View

Will, thank you for the very insightful review, the video is great and a very novel approach on how to present equipment. If I would get the girlfriend to go hiking more with me, the Scarp 2 would have been my tent to go to, but so I just bought a Scarp 1 and will squeeze in there with her if she comes along =)

Because the storage pockets are so small, I wonder why they are there in the first place - it almost seems they could have been eliminated.

Edited by skullmonkey on 06/17/2009 03:34:34 MDT.

Pamela Wyant
(RiverRunner) - F - M
Another plus for the Tarptent on 06/17/2009 21:56:57 MDT Print View

Another plus for the Tarptent over the Big Sky models is the excellent service and great communication from Henry & Tarptent.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 05:24:49 MDT Print View

Some of the Big Sky numbers are off in the table. Ex. The Montana has 1 door, not 2. Also, the 3 lb 6 oz weight quoted for the Scarp 2 includes the stakes, guylines, and stuffsack where the Big Sky weights don't include any of those. You can add another 4-6 oz to each Big Sky model assuming you were to buy their stuff. Also add another $20-$40 for the same items.

Matt Lutz
(citystuckhiker) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 05:42:55 MDT Print View

Thanks for including video in the review.

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Re: Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 06:51:30 MDT Print View

Chris, you're right, the MSRP's for the Big Sky Tents do not include a stuff sack and stakes. We will make a correction. The weights are correct, with all tents including stakes and a stuff sack.

The Montana has only 1 door as Chris notes.

a b
(abcyoudontknowme)
Number of doors: TN Laser on 06/18/2009 07:11:38 MDT Print View

The Terra Nover Laser 2009 model offers two doors now. The old model had only one door. The weight is still the same.

Philip

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: weights on 06/18/2009 07:30:28 MDT Print View

You list the Revolution 2P at 3 lb 0.9 oz.

BS has it at 2 lb 12.3 oz with carbon poles.

Add 4.6 oz for aluminum poles.
Add 1.3 oz for stuff sack.
Add 2.2 oz for their lightest stake set.

Guylines are probably not necessary like on the Scarp so I'll leave those out.

That comes to 3 lbs 4.4 oz. 3 lb 0.9 oz is the weight with aluminum poles but not stakes or sack unless I'm reading the BS sight incorrectly.

Not trying to be a PITA, just keep things even.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 10:25:20 MDT Print View

In 4 season mode, the weight is very close to the Hilleberg Nallo 2....

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 14:41:58 MDT Print View

"In 4 season mode, the weight is very close to the Hilleberg Nallo 2...."

Indeed, and the Nallo is a very much more storm worthy tent. However, the usable space in the Scarp 2 seems a lot greater, and the Nallo2 has poor ventilation, making it less than ideal for warm weather. Also, the Nallo2 is not suitable for tall folks due to the shallow taper of the foot end...then there's the cost difference.

Having said that, we are not tall, and have made a summer mesh inner for our Nallo2 (which weighs 300g less), so we are happy campers ;)

Edited by retropump on 06/18/2009 14:42:43 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 14:56:14 MDT Print View

For a winter tent, a little less ventilation is probably what one wants anyway. I guess my point is that the Scarp 2 for winter is not UL and the weight puts it into the range of some serious mountain tents, including some ID and Rab shelters.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Tarptent Scarp 2 Tent Review on 06/18/2009 15:46:34 MDT Print View

Yeah, but I guess Henry was going for the "one UL tent for all seasons" market, which requires compromises. I wonder (Will/Henry), if some main pole grommets to allow use of trekking poles in strong winds/snows would beef it up, as per the Double Rainbow?

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Good Review on 06/18/2009 15:50:41 MDT Print View

Thanks for this timely review AND the great comparison chart. I'm still buying the Scarp 2 for a winter tent but will add my own snap on snow flaps near the vestibule areas. Heavy duty plastic snaps can do the job.

Also I may use click on attatchments from another tent vendor for the crossing poles. Speed is everything when setting up in bad winter weather. Then, for better setup weather, there is the Fanco Daroli method of putting the crossing poles under the fly. Here some Velcro wraps sewn under the fly (and sealed) to hold the crossing poles may be the way to go to reduce the "fiddle factor" of the poles slipping around during setup. This option is nice if one expects truly severe weather because the fly is tensioned all along the crossing poles, not just at the attatchment points. Also, I can buy shorter (and thicker) crossing poles from Tentpole Technologies for this purpose. that would keep the fly's bottom hem down where it needs to be in winter.

The roof vents can always be stuffed with, what else, stuff sacks to keep out spindrift.

I like the design, quality and TarpTent customer service. Those are big selling points.

Eric
UPDATE: Talked to Henry Shires in early September when I was ordering a Moment solo tent. I said wanted to get a Scarp 2 but W/ a longer fly in November. He said that was "in the works" with the Scarp 1 now and to "hold off" getting the Scarp 2 until he modified that fly as well. So a change IS coming. And maybe more than one if I know Henry.

Edited by Danepacker on 09/18/2009 13:02:40 MDT.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Good Review on 06/18/2009 15:57:33 MDT Print View

I must add that IF Hilleberg decided to enter the UL fray, they would make available a UL mesh/silnylon summer insert. Since the Nallo can be pitched inner-only, it makes it a truly versatile and weather proof design. However I still like the roominess look of the Scarp 2, and double entries are also pretty nice.

Of course, if Roger Caffin decided to enter the fray, it would probably turn UL tent design on it's head...

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Re: Good Review on 06/18/2009 16:20:39 MDT Print View

I agree with Lynn completely. I'd buy a Caffin.

Tony Beasley
(tbeasley) - MLife

Locale: Pigeon House Mt from the Castle
Re: Re: Re: Good Review on 06/18/2009 17:09:25 MDT Print View

"I agree with Lynn completely. I'd buy a Caffin."

Me too, about 5-6 years ago Roger was making some of his tents for sale, I was in contact with him at the time, I was procrastinating while deciding which of his excellent tents I wanted, when I had finally decided he had stopped making them.
(word meaning "expression of annoyance" the forum filter regarded what I originally wrote as a profanity.)

Tony

Edited by tbeasley on 06/18/2009 17:13:27 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Tarptent Scarp 2 on 06/18/2009 17:11:21 MDT Print View

Eric - it is more than just the upper vents. It is also that the fly does not come down all the way. On newer Hille's the vents are covered with snow proof fabric that is actually breathable. In deep snow you could bury the sides and plug the vents - I would be interested in what color blue you would be in the morning.

You indicate compromises but yet, if a mainstream tent maker came out with a convertible type tent that was 4.5 pounds all managed out, you would respond by saying that one would be better off having a tarp for the summer and a pyramid for the winter - both much lighter than any convertible offering. I look at this as being average at everything but not truly good at any one thing.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Tarptent Scarp 2 on 06/18/2009 17:18:59 MDT Print View

As always, how good something is depends on a lot on where it's being used. The Scarp 2 is pretty close to perfect for me and my gf on duo trips in the SE with the mesh inner and single pole. We were previously using a Hubba Hubba and the Scarp saves us almost 1 lb plus adds a little more room and better ventilation.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Hmmmm... on 06/18/2009 21:29:10 MDT Print View

David,

You would never catch me suggesting either a tarp or floorless pyramid. Just don't like 'em.

I realize any double wall 3-4 season tent is heavier than I'd like but the Scarp 2's space, double entries and versatile designed-in options make it the best current choice.

I love to mod my gear when I feel it would help. Done it many times. Id' have to use the Scarp 2 without mods for a while to see how much it "needed" them. I may like it just as it is but I'll bet the vestibule area snap on snow skirts would be the first mods.

Eric
UPDATE: When ordering my TT Moment solo tent I asked Henry Shires if I could get a Scarp 2 with a "custom" fly that is longer. He said to hold off ordering as he was, at that time, making the Scarp 1 fly lower and would do the same with the Scarp 2. It sounded like he may have the lower Scarp 2 fly ready by late November or sometime in December of 2009. With the lower fly, ripstop inner tent and crossing poles I see the Scarp 2 as a true four-season tent.

Edited by Danepacker on 09/18/2009 12:54:16 MDT.

Stephen CAUDWELL
(SuisseKayak23) - F

Locale: French Alps
Scarp 2 on 11/26/2009 02:46:08 MST Print View

Trekked with the Scarp 2 on Tour du Mont Blanc, French-Italian section, this summer. With the secondary poles, it coped well with high Alpine winds at altitudes up to 2200m.

The Scarp's space and relative lightness appreciated.

The proposed longer fly option mentioned above, sounds great for 4 season use.

Edited by SuisseKayak23 on 11/26/2009 03:18:14 MST.