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Rab Drillium Jacket REVIEW

Lightweight eVENT multi-sport jacket with a terrific fit and feature set, but its appeal depends on whether you need a helmet-compatible hood or not.


Overall Rating: Recommended

The Drillium Jacket has a three-way adjustable helmet-compatible hood and stow-away collar - a crucial feature for helmet sports, but not of much benefit for the average backpacker. For someone who participates in helmet sports, I rate the Rab Drillium as Recommended. For someone who does not participate in helmet sports, the hood and stow-away collar just add weight and get in the way. For backpacking, I would rate the Drillium as Above Average for its fit and other features.

Although the Rab Drillium Jacket is well-designed and constructed and has an essential feature set, it does have a few drawbacks: tight zippers, side pocket zippers that hang up, and Velcro cuff closures that snag on other fabrics. In making a purchase decision on a lightweight eVENT jacket, it will be a tough choice between the Rab Drillium, the Montane eVENT Quick-Fire Jacket and the Integral Designs eVENT Thru Hiker Jacket (or eVENT Rain Jacket).

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by Will Rietveld |

Rab Drillium Jacket REVIEW


Rab is a British company that has been making cutting edge outdoor gear for 25 years. Up until now, customers have had to pay international shipping costs to get Rab products. Starting in 2007, their products will be available in the United States through several franchised retailers. It will be nice to add Rab products to our range of choices for outdoor gear.

At 12.7 ounces (size L), the Rab Drillium is a short-cut multi-sport jacket in a lightweight version of 3-layer eVENT fabric. The Drillium has a nice feature set and all the advantages of eVENT fabric in the same weight range as a conventional polyurethane-laminate jacket, but costs a little more. Does the performance justify the additional cost?

What’s Good

  • eVENT fabric
  • Lightweight and durable
  • Fully seam-taped
  • Helmet-compatible hood
  • Water-resistant zippers
  • Long sleeves and dropped tail
  • High side pockets
  • Inside security pocket

What’s Not So Good

  • Wire brim on hood
  • Helmet compatible hood, if you don’t need it
  • Velcro cuff closure catches on other fabrics


  Model Year

2007 Rab Drillium eVENT Jacket


Full zip, hooded multi-purpose shell jacket


12.7 oz (360 g) measured weight, manufacturer’s specification 12.35 oz (350 g) size L

  Shell Fabric

Main shell is 3-layer eVENT, consisting of a 15-denier nylon ripstop face fabric with DWR, the eVENT ePTFE membrane, and inside scrim layer to protect the membrane, 2.5 oz/yd2 (85 g/m2); fully seam taped


Narrow seam tape, elastic drawcord hem with 2 adjustors, stow-away wire brim hood with dual elastic drawcord front adjustment and single drawcord rear adjustment, two high mounted zippered side pockets with water-resistant zippers, full height front water-resistant zipper with internal storm flap, adjustable cuffs with Velcro tabs, dropped tail, fleece chin guard




You might cringe at the price when you purchase an eVENT jacket ($275 in this case), but once you get past the cost, it's all smiles. The Rab Drillium jacket is now an option for US consumers, so in writing this review I not only evaluate the Drillium’s features and performance, but also compare it to other eVENT jackets on the market.

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Front and rear views of the Rab Drillium eVENT jacket. The hood is stowed in the collar in these photos.

The Drillium is Rab’s lightest eVENT jacket. Rab calls it a “multi-sport jacket”, and I agree with their label. It is much more than a rain jacket. I wore it constantly as an outer shell in all kinds of winter activities and weather.

The Drillium is made of Rab’s “lightweight eVENT three-layer fabric” (2.5 oz/yd2), while their other eVENT jackets are made of “midweight eVENT three-layer fabric” (4.3 oz/yd2) and are intended for mountaineering. The eVENT fabric used for the Drillium is lightweight, but it could be lighter. The face fabric is 15 denier nylon (which is light), but it has a 40 denier ripstop running through it, which makes the fabric stiffer as well.

As a multi-sport jacket, the Drillium has a carefully selected feature set (detailed in the following photos) that many would consider essential.

Rab Drillium Jacket REVIEW - 2
The Rab Drillium jacket has an essential feature set. Inside (top left) there is one stretch mesh zippered pocket. Outside (top right) it has two large zippered side pockets set high above a backpack hipbelt. The outside pocket zippers plus the full-height front zipper are water-resistant. The tail (bottom left) is dropped a full 4 inches. The sleeves (bottom right) are extra long and have a Velcro closure with rubber pull tabs.

The Drillium's helmet-compatible hood is a great feature for backcountry skiing, ice climbing, and lightweight mountaineering. However, backpackers may see the larger hood, its stow-away feature, and its complex adjustments as overkill. The value of the helmet-compatible hood ultimately depends on the user’s need for that feature.

Rab Drillium Jacket REVIEW - 3
The Drillium’s helmet-compatible hood is fantastic if you participate in helmet sports, but the hood is overkill for most backpackers. It has two elastic cord adjusters on the front and one on the back (top and bottom left). Its wire brim provides adequate protection by itself for eyeglasses (top right), or lies over a billed hat (top left). When not needed, the hood can be folded up and stowed in the jacket’s collar (bottom right).

Field Testing

I wore the Rab Drillium jacket while mountain snowshoeing, snow hiking, cross-country skiing, and snow camping, and also for winter camping and hiking in the southern Utah canyon country. During the test period it got a good workout shedding snow, rain, and wind and also served as an outer shell layer over insulated clothing in camp.

On me (6 feet, 170 pounds), the Drillium in size Large has a trim fit but still has enough room to layer over a medium weight insulated jacket. It fits tight over a puffy down jacket. The raglan-style sleeves are extra long, so I could easily retract my hands into the sleeves for extra warmth. The tail is dropped 4 inches to provide good coverage over the butt. Articulation is very good; when I raise my arms the sleeves pull back to my wrists, and when I cross my arms I do not feel any binding in the shoulders.

The front water-resistant zipper is a little stiff, but operates smoothly without catching. The side pockets are high and angled and have an 8-inch water-resistant zipper. They are deep and roomy (almost 12 inches high on the inside) and I found them very handy for stowing bulky gloves when I took them off, or for stowing a variety of items to keep them handy. I loved the high location of the side pockets, where a backpack hipbelt does not interfere with them. I also found the inside zippered mesh pocket very handy for stowing valuables or drying out gloves.

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The side pocket zippers are stiff and tend to catch on the internal storm flap.

The Drillium’s hood is helmet-compatible and has a wire brim and three drawcord adjustors. For someone who will wear the jacket with a helmet, it is well-designed and very useful. For me, the oversize hood with three adjustments and stow-away collar are overkill and extra weight. I am not a fan of a wire-stiffened brim on a storm shell, and find it an annoyance to straighten out the wire brim every time I pulled the jacket out of a pack. Once the drawcord adjustors on the hood are set, they can be kept that way, so the hood doesn’t have to be adjusted every time. One advantage of a helmet-compatible hood (when not wearing a helmet) is that you can lift the hood on and off with the front zipper fully zipped. When the hood is not needed or desired, the jacket has a Velcro-secured pocket in the collar for stowing it. Tip: when packing the jacket, it helps to fold the hood into the stow-away collar to avoid bending the wire brim out of shape.

The Drillium is unquestionably waterproof, wind-resistant, and highly breathable. I wore the jacket on snowy days and rainy days and stayed completely dry. In a cold wind, I found the jacket most comfortable with a baselayer and thin fleece top under it while hiking.

When you carry an eVENT jacket, you may not need to carry a windshirt. The Drillium Jacket works better in the wind than many windshirts on the market. The eVENT jacket breathed extremely well and allowed me to stay cool and comfortable while hiking. In variable weather conditions, I found I could leave the Drillium eVENT jacket on much longer than other jackets due to its broader comfort range. However, it’s not a silver bullet - when I hike uphill carrying a pack, especially in the sun, I eventually start to sweat too much, and the jacket has to come off. The front zipper helps to regulate temperature somewhat, but no jacket can help you ventilate your back when you are wearing a backpack.

I didnt' like the jacket’s rubber tab and Velcro cuff adjustors. Although an effort was made to minimize the problem, the Velcro still catches on other fabrics when stuffing a sleeping bag or packing a backpack. I avoided the problem (and fabric damage) by turning the cuffs over when stuffing other gear.

It should be noted that eVENT requires similar maintenance to Gore-Tex, which means it needs to be kept clean for the ePTFE membrane to function properly, and the surface DWR coating must be restored occasionally so the jacket repels water.


I really like the Drillium’s fit, especially its long sleeves and dropped tail. The body has ample room for layering over a thin or medium thickness insulation layer, but is tight over thick insulation unless you oversize accordingly.

If you will be wearing a helmet when using the Drillium jacket, the helmet-compatible hood is a necessary feature. If not, the oversize hood is unnecessary excess and bother. Since I do not participate in any helmet sports, I prefer the simple hood design of the Integral Designs eVENT rain Jacket and wear it over a billed cap to keep my glasses dry. However, the body length is too short, and it also doesn’t have the high side pockets of the Drillium. But it weighs 2.7 ounces less and costs $55 less than the Drillium.

The body length of the Integral Designs eVENT Thru Hiker Jacket is 3 inches longer than the eVENT Rain Jacket, the hood is compatible with a low profile helmet, and it costs $15 less than the Drillium. However, for the same weight, the Drillium has two large side pockets while the Thru Hiker Jacket has one large Napoleon style pocket.

The Drillium has a similar feature set and weight as the Montane Quick-Fire Jacket, and costs about $70 less.

It would be nice if Rab would offer a version of the Drillium with a simple hood for backpackers and leaving the remainder of the jacket alone. The weight savings from simplifying the hood and dropping the stow-away feature, in combination with the jacket’s longer body length and high pockets would make it nearly perfect.

Overall, I found the Rab Drillium Jacket to be one of the most versatile jackets I have used. It’s much more than a rain jacket. It also doubles as a windshirt and an outer shell layer over an insulating jacket in camp.

What’s Unique

The Drillium Jacket is exceptionally well designed and constructed to take full advantage of its eVENT fabric. Every feature is carefully selected and designed.

Recommendations for Improvement

  • Offer this jacket with a simple lightweight hood for backpackers
  • Use water-resistant zippers that slide easier
  • Re-design the side pocket zippers so they don’t catch on the storm flap
  • Re-design the cuff closures so the Velcro doesn’t catch on other fabrics
  • Use an even lighter weight of eVENT fabric to make the jacket lighter


"Rab Drillium Jacket REVIEW," by Will Rietveld. (ISSN 1537-0364)., 2007-05-08 03:00:00-06.


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Jon Solomon
(areality) - F - MLife

Locale: Lyon/Taipei
Re: Re: Paramo on 05/11/2007 21:02:32 MDT Print View

Thanks for taking the time to discuss the Paramo, Miguel. It seems to me like it would be the perfect garment for the cold rainy winter/spring season here. I guess I'll have to save up some clams and eventually take the plunge. Cioch seems to make shells that use the Paramo system and offer better designs. Anybody (Damian!) ever see any of these?

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Re: Re: Paramo on 05/12/2007 04:43:18 MDT Print View

Hi Jon

No, I haven't seen Cioch in London but they have a great website for a family business (check out the 3D photos!) - the only dwrc/pump clothes that seems to be available in London itself is Buffalo, which doesn't claim to be waterproof. To be honest I didn't like the Buffalo stuff (other than the mitts) but I want a Paramo Fuera and I'd love to try a Velez for winter here and in Japan - I just haven't been able to track down a real, live one of either to check out.

Miguel - I'd wanted to use Paramo for winter walks in the Japan Alps - at what temperatures did you find it started to be inadequate?

Irrelevant to this discussion, but my local gear shop does have the Haglofs Oz pullover ...

Edited by Arapiles on 05/12/2007 05:18:57 MDT.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Re: Re: Re: Paramo on 05/12/2007 05:04:59 MDT Print View

There's also Furtech, which was started by an ex-Paramo employee who has an engineering degree:

but it seems that it's only available by mail order.

Actually, the Q&A and Testimonial sections are really interesting, not least because the Testimonials have the owners reviews of the Jam 2 etc:

Edited by Arapiles on 05/12/2007 14:48:55 MDT.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Paramo and it's siblings on 05/12/2007 10:57:22 MDT Print View

If I lived in an environment that was consistently very cold and very wet, I think the all-in-one diectional wick+ waterproof approach that Paramo and Furtech takes would be more attractive to me. But 700 + gram jackets (the lightest in a large I've seen weighs something like 25 or 26 oz. with the heavier ones approaching a kilo! ), seems anathema to a LW approach except, arguably, in those particular conditions. In SE Alaska and the BC Coast Range, pretty consistently cold, humid locales, I've had pretty good luck with a lighter softshell under a gore hardshell ( which comes to about the same weight as a Paramo jacket)---not to say the Paramo wouldn't offer more comfort when very active in those conditions (would love a test) but does lack the layering versatility for changing conditions and multiple seasons that I tend to favor.

I also wonder about how durable the waterproof characteristics of the Paramo-type garments would last when subject to the abrasions of bushwacking, off trail travel and general mtneering. Maybe someone here has experience in this matter?

It's interesting (amusing?) that FurTech claims that their shells are more breathable than eVENT and yet they have numerous active venting options ("rainvents", clipped back hems, etc.) unlike practically all eVENT shells.

Edited by kdesign on 05/12/2007 11:39:56 MDT.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Paramo and its siblings on 05/12/2007 15:06:05 MDT Print View

I suspect that Paramo et al could be made a lot lighter than they are - a Pertex shell and a microfleece liner shouldn't weigh more than about 400 grams, if that. Mont Bell has a family of DWR treated windshells lined with a very light fleece mesh - they're like a Marmot Driclime - that weigh between 160 and 270 grams.

What I've always wondered is why the Paramo approach of a fused garment (i.e., a shell and a fleece in one) should be any more effective than a windshirt over a light fleece?

"I also wonder about how durable the waterproof characteristics of the Paramo-type garments would last when subject to the abrasions of bushwacking, off trail travel and general mtneering. Maybe someone here has experience in this matter?"

Given that Paramo stress how important it is to wash and reproof their garments I suspect that the DWR is not particularly durable. On one of the threads the Furtech site links to someone actually says that without its DWR Paramo is not at all waterproof, "pump liner" or not.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Paramo - eVENT on 05/12/2007 17:48:58 MDT Print View

Ken, Damian,
I haven't used Paramo or similar myself but I think I undrstand a bit how it works so perhaps I could offer my perception.
Aboutn the durability of Paramo, often is stressed that Paramo suffers less from the problems other technology like gore-tex or eVENT can have. Paramo has no membrain or coating and is insensitive for punctures or similar. Like in any raingarment, DWR is important to keep the outer from wetting out, but I guess this is of no more importance for Paramo than for gore-tex or eVENT. Actually, somewhere on the furtech website there's an article which claims that a paramo/Furtech style garment works even without a DWR. About Paramo not being waterproof without DWR, technically speaking Paramo isn't even waterproof because it doesn't pass a pressure test. But in practice it seems to work in really nasty weatherconditions and a lot of Brits are saying that nothing works better in such conditions than Paramo.

I don't know if you can compare a Paramo garment directly with a Pertex-microfleece combination. The garments weight that heavy because of the thick pumpliner which isn't just fleece but a directional fabric which actively seems to move moisture away from the body. The thicker the liner, the better it seems to work but also the heavier it is.

Ken, about those vents in the Furtech gear, I'm not sure but I guess these are actually meant to overcome the one point for which Paramo is often criticised: it's just too warm in most conditions. I guess the vents should improve the range in which it can be used.

About eVENT: Doug, I don't doubt eVENT works as well as most users seems to suggest. What I don't believe is that the fabric is that good that vents aren't necessary in any imaginable circumstance. You suggest to use the front zip or pockets to vent (which depends ofcourse on the design) but by suggesting that, you actually agree that the claim of GE/BHA is rubbish. Saying that you won't need vents anymore is ridiculous since that depends from person to person and I put it in the same range as a lot of the claims by Gore: pure marketing.

I do think that eVENT offers better breathability and climacomfort than Gore but at the same time I think that at some points important progress still has to be made, certainly about the DWR capabilities of a jacket. Some manufacturers seem to have taken that into account by using less hydrophilic face fabrics. There have been some suggestions that durability of eVENT could be a problem and although not always clear how serious those claims were, it's interesting to note that from 2008, BHA will switch to a new prodcution method for the eVENT membrain which should offer improved durability while possibly also having some build-in self-healing or self-repair capabilities.
Otoh, Gore has its new woven backer which seems to offer not only lighter weight and more durability at the same time (two things not often mentioned together) but also seems to offer slightly better breathability (although you won't hear me claim it will offer the same comfort as eVENT). It's interesting to note that the improved breathability has been attained without doing any change to the membrain. Changes to the gore-tex membrain could be closer than expected and I know Gore has made already testsamples of an air permeable, direct venting mebain which works in the same way as eVENT.
all these elements are enough reason for me to stay with my still working paclite jacket just untill most of these improvements are introduced onto the market.

Edited by Woubeir on 05/12/2007 17:50:17 MDT.

Oliver Budack
(Snuffy) - MLife
direct venting membrain by gore on 05/12/2007 18:47:02 MDT Print View

Is this membrain or is not the new Gore Pro membrain?
Because the pro also have a PUlayer, which cant be capable of direct venting.


Jon Solomon
(areality) - F - MLife

Locale: Lyon/Taipei
Re: Paramo - eVENT on 05/13/2007 00:43:47 MDT Print View

I read somewhere, I think it was on a UK magazine website, that big advances in DWR are coming soon.

Cioch, by the way, has a paramo-type jacket called the Glamaig that weighs 510g--18 ounces.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Paramo on 05/13/2007 06:16:41 MDT Print View

Miguel - would you believe that Paramo is not available in London at all? There are no stockists!

That's weird. Doesn't Paramo have quite a vocal and passionate following in Britain? Or maybe those English just don't trust the Scots to come up with anything sexy?

Miguel - I'd wanted to use Paramo for winter walks in the Japan Alps - at what temperatures did you find it started to be inadequate?

Damien, I think Paramo garments would be perfect in winter here in Japan. You do need to bring a warmer layer for underneath the garment because it breathes so well that it just doesn't do as great a job as Goretex (perhaps similar to eVent?) in holding warm, still air underneath. Brits use Paramo a lot in winter.

I also wonder about how durable the waterproof characteristics of the Paramo-type garments would last when subject to the abrasions of bushwacking, off trail travel and general mtneering. Maybe someone here has experience in this matter?

Paramo claims that the outer material is very durable, but in bushwacking through some bamboo woods, the material easily punctured. However, that was no problem at all with its waterproofing; I just sewed a patch of nylon to the tear and the garment worked perfectly again.

Given that Paramo stress how important it is to wash and reproof their garments I suspect that the DWR is not particularly durable. On one of the threads the Furtech site links to someone actually says that without its DWR Paramo is not at all waterproof, "pump liner" or not.

The Paramo system really is different from anything else that most people are used to. I think most people try to imagine how the system works they immediately jump to the "waterproof-outer-layer" image that we've all been taught to accept as the way to think of waterproofing. So Paramo doesn'T really make sense when you first look at it. It doesn't work with a waterproof barrier, as Tom described. It uses a "furry" inner liner that "pumps" out moisture... actively pumps it out. You can put a drop of water on the inner surface and it will visibly be sucked away to the outer surface. The DWR proofing on the outside just helps the garment from wetting out. Even with the garmnet wetted out it always worked fine for me. Washing only needs to be done about once every ten uses or so, not so different from other outer clothes.

The garments are heavy and that is because of the furry pump liner, also as Tom described. I always find that walking in the rain in most places that are not sea level or protected from wind the rain has a way of chilling me off. The pump liner acts as the thin insulation layer you'd normallly wear against this chill. It's not like Buffalo or Montane Pertex/ Pile though... Paramo really is waterproof.

It's weird how Paramo users always have to make a concentrated effort to promote the system, and how so many people seem to doubt it!

Edited by butuki on 05/13/2007 06:24:07 MDT.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Re: Paramo on 05/13/2007 13:47:56 MDT Print View

quot;Miguel - would you believe that Paramo is not available in London at all? There are no stockists!

That's weird. Doesn't Paramo have quite a vocal and passionate following in Britain? Or maybe those English just don't trust the Scots to come up with anything sexy?"

Paramo does seem to have a devoted following in the UK, particularly in country areas and amongst "ramblers", and there are Paramo dealers all over the UK, including in the home counties, but - bizzarely - none in London itself. The nearest Paramo stockist to me appears to be in Reading.

Edited by Arapiles on 05/13/2007 16:33:07 MDT.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Those canny, radge Scots and their wee Paramo on 05/13/2007 13:58:27 MDT Print View

Alas, that the Cioch Glamaig is only partially lined, but it's nice that the local cottage industry is furthering the "Paramo" concept in different ways and bringing the weight down.

Reading various Brit based forums on Paramo, like anything else, it has it's fans and detractors. Very differing stories on both fabric durability and how crucial the DWR is to the "waterproofness" of the garment. Seems to me that once the garment wets out that it could get very heavy. Just like the ventile parkas (THE waterproof/breathable wunderkind of it's day) the members of a previous generation of mtneers--and my mentors---once touted.

I understand that only the Scots could have invented such shells---if you've ever hiked or climbed in the Cairngorms in any season, one would understand. And also understand why one peculiarly Scots dance is called the "Slosh".

But Ah cannae clock Paramo for nae thing but trauchlin the pish doon Dreich o'Alba to save yae frum be'in gubbed 'n drookit.

Edited by kdesign on 05/13/2007 15:38:04 MDT.

David Couch
(Davidc) - F

Locale: England
Re: Those canny, radge Scots and their wee Paramo on 05/13/2007 17:09:23 MDT Print View

Where did this idea that Paramo is a Scottish product come from? They are based just outside Tunbridge Wells, south of London, which is almost as far from Scotland as you can get in England.

As far as I know their only connection with Scotland is that they have a lot of customers there.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
Scots in Tunbridge Wells on 05/13/2007 18:05:01 MDT Print View

Yes, they've infiltrated into Kent yae spangled Sassenach. ;-)>
Just look into the geneology of the Paramo and Furtech founders---
Alba Gu Brath!

But if it's any consulation, the latest dna evidence would indicate that Scots,English, Welsh or Irish---you all are genetically one people.

Edited by kdesign on 05/13/2007 18:16:35 MDT.

David Couch
(Davidc) - F

Locale: England
Re: Scots in Tunbridge Wells on 05/14/2007 02:50:23 MDT Print View

>>Yes, they've infiltrated into Kent yae spangled Sassenach. ;-)> <<

I'm amazed Kevin. How did you know I wear spangles?

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
spangled down southers on 05/14/2007 08:36:28 MDT Print View

touché! >;-)>

Andy Davison
(FurTech) - M
Re: Paramo and it's siblings on 05/15/2007 12:26:42 MDT Print View

Hi folks, just came across your thread and thought I would add my two penneth:

FurTech type garments have integral insulation approx. equal to a 100 weight fleece so at 700 to 800g for the equivalence of two layers it is a reasonably lightweight system. You can find some weight comparisons here,

However, vents are used to allow cool air in, past the insulation for temperature flexability without taking the garments off. Though breathability helps to prevent overheating it doesn't compare to allowing hot air out and cool air in. I guess eVent are worried about chilling the membrane and stopping it from working?!

These systems continue to work after puncture and can be repaired easily. I have a Paramo jacket that still works after 15 years!

Hey...I am biased though!

Cheers, Andy Davison (FurTech founder)

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
FurTech on 05/15/2007 13:29:27 MDT Print View

Very cool comparison list, Andy, and welcome to BPL.

I was just comparing that very list w/ what I was carrying on a gearlist I posted on this site in the past. It is, arguably, comparing apples and oranges (an early fall high elev. trip in a drier environment--compared to the Lake District or Cairngorms---w/ daytime lows of low 30'sF. high's to low 50'sF and windy, some rain, some snow).

My total, using your categories was 923g. with 683g. carried. If I was using the FurTech talon and trousers, I estimated that I would have a total of 1683g, carrying 1192g of that. So, when we are talking about Ultralight Backpacking in my described conditions, I can go lighter and be comfortable with a non-Paramo/ FurTech approach. Now in consistently cold, wet conditions, I can see where going FurTech is going to compare much more favorably, and perhaps more comfortably ( I have to give Andy and the Paramo-istas on this thread the benefit of the doubt here, as my experience has so far been limited to looking at Paramo Jackets in stores across the pond. But I'm definitely intrigued. And for Winter mtneering, I'm even more interested.

2 questions to Andy---is there going to be N.American distribution at some point? AND has PETA mistaken you as a target, yet? :-)>

Edited by kdesign on 05/15/2007 18:47:34 MDT.

barry hitchcock
(barryspoons) - F
cioch on 05/15/2007 16:34:44 MDT Print View

jon soloman-----i have a pair of cioch trousers. I chose made to measure because i did not want a fly.Well made, quick helpful service Weight 600 gms. I am 5 feet 7 tall. I have also got an older paramo cascada jacket. Weight 1020 gms size small. i believe the newer ones are lighter. I reproof in the washing machine approx. every 6 months. They work well and suit my style- slow old and cold----------------KD a word of advice-- best not go to Glasgow on a saturday night to expound your dna theory

Edited by barryspoons on 05/15/2007 16:43:49 MDT.

kevin davidson
(kdesign) - F

Locale: Mythical State of Jefferson
A kilo + Jacket and they let you on this site? on 05/15/2007 18:31:28 MDT Print View

Not my theory---

My Glaswegian crowded Sat. nite pub strategy is to throw a copy of the above article in ahead of me---when the dust settles it's safe for the likes of me to enter. >:-)>

Drinks all around.

Edited by kdesign on 05/15/2007 18:39:33 MDT.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Re: Paramo and it's siblings on 05/16/2007 13:47:26 MDT Print View

Hi Andy

As I understood it, the softshell/paramo idea originally took off in Scotland (amongst other places) with people using non-waterproof breathable nylon jackets over fleece. So, would a microfleece and a windshirt work as well as an all-in-one garment like yours or Paramo's?

If the "pump liner" is the difference, what is it made of?

Does the system need a certain level of exertion in order to be effective or could I sit around in near freezing, foggy sleet and rain and expect my skin to stay dry?

Does your product or Paramo's still work if the DWR wears off?

Thanks for any input you may have on these issues that I've been wondering about for a while!