MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review

MSR utilizes lightweight fabrics, carbon fiber poles, and elegant design to achieve a sub-three-pound double-wall tent for two.

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Overall Rating: Recommended

My rating is based on the tent's elegant design, functionality, and light weight. The use of Easton FX carbon fiber poles and 20 denier polyurethane/silicone coated fabric is cutting edge. However, the Carbon Reflex has two significant drawbacks: only one entry door and small floor space.

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Introduction

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review - 1
The MSR Carbon Reflex 2 tent utilizes lightweight fabrics and carbon fiber poles to achieve its sub-three pound trail weight. The tent is elegantly designed to maximize interior volume and usable space.

The new Carbon Reflex tents for spring 2009 are the lightest tents ever from MSR and set a new standard for a lightweight tent from a major manufacturer. The Carbon Reflex 2 reviewed here is based on the popular Hubba Hubba, but weighs about one and a half pounds less, arriving at a trail weight of slightly less than three pounds. The low weight is achieved by using lightweight fabrics and mesh, carbon fiber poles, and a unique one-plus pole design consisting of a single hoop plus a top strut. All of this weight reduction was accomplished without compromising the tent's interior volume or floor space. How did the Carbon Reflex 2 fare in our field tests, and how does it compare with lightweight tents from Big Sky International and Terra Nova?

Specifications

  Year/Manufacturer/Model

2009 MSR Carbon Reflex 2

  Style

Three-season, two-person, double-wall, non-freestanding tent with floor, 1.5 vestibules, and one side entry door

  Included

Tent body, fly, two carbon fiber poles, eight aluminum stakes, pole repair sleeve, two guylines, pole sack, stake sack, tent stuff sack

  Fabrics

Body is 20d x 330T ripstop nylon 66 and 20d polyester mesh; floor is 40d x 238T ripstop nylon 6, 10,000 mm PU coated; fly is 20d x 330T ripstop nylon 66, 1000 mm PU and silicone coated

  Poles and Stakes

Two Easton FX carbon fiber poles, eight MSR Needle stakes (7000 series aluminum, anodized, 6 in/15 cm long)

  Floor Dimensions*

Manufacturer specifications: Length 84 in (213 cm), width 50 in (127 cm), height 40 in (102 cm).
Note: the measured floor width at the center is actually 40 in (102 cm), see * below.

  Features

Easton carbon fiber poles, “unbendable” aluminum alloy stakes, 1+ pole design (ridge pole plus top strut), unique geometry provides maximum interior space, front vestibule and zippered rear window access to rear vestibule, water-resistant zipper in fly with two sliders, large L-shaped mesh entry door with two sliders, four interior mesh pockets, multiple ceiling loops, StayDry entrance (fly overhangs entry door so rain does not hit the tent floor)

  Packed Size

20 x 7 in (51 x 18 cm)

  Total Weight

Measured weight: 3 lb 2.8 oz (1.44 kg)
Manufacturer specification: 3 lb 4 oz (1.47 kg)

  Trail Weight

Measured weight: 2 lb 15.8 oz (1.36 kg)
Manufacturer specification: 2 lb 13 oz (1.28 kg) (excludes stuff sacks and pole repair sleeve)

  Protected Area*

Manufacturer specifications: floor area 29 ft2 (2.7 m2); entry vestibule 9 ft2 (0.84 m2), rear vestibule 5 ft2 (0.46 m2), total vestibule area 14 ft2 (1.3 m2); total protected area 43 ft2 (4 m2). Note: the actual floor area is 23.3 ft2 (2.16 m2), see * below.

  Protected Area/Trail Weight Ratio*

14.4 ft2/lb (based on manufacturer area specifications)

  MSRP

US$499.95

  Options

Footprint (6.3 oz/179 g/US$39.95)

  *

We normally use manufacturer floor and vestibule data in our specifications table and trust that it is accurate, but this time it is not. The width of the tent’s floor at the center is 40 inches, not 50 inches as specified or implied. Thus the floor area is actually 23.3 ft2, the total protected area is 37.3 ft2, and the protected area/trail weight ratio is 12.5 ft2/lb.

Design and Features

The new Carbon Reflex 2 is basically a lighter version of the popular Hubba Hubba. Weight was trimmed by eliminating the hubs and wishbones at the ends of the tent, eliminating one door and shrinking the vestibule, and going to carbon fiber poles instead of aluminum. The total weight reduction (based on manufacturer total weights) is 1 pound 7 ounces. The extra cost for this weight savings is $200.

It's important to note that the Carbon Reflex 2 has only one entry, while the Hubba Hubba has two. The rear vestibule has been retained, but it has been reduced to a storage area accessible only from the inside through a vertical zipper.

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review - 2
Views of the MSR Carbon Reflex 2. Entry is from the side (top left) via a vestibule-protected L-shaped mesh entry door. The end view (top right) shows the larger entry vestibule on the right and small storage vestibule on the left. The rear view (bottom left) shows that the rear vestibule does not have outside access. In the top view (bottom right), the entry is at the top of the photo.

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Views of the tent body. MSR has simplified the pole structure (left) to a single ridge pole plus a top strut that maximizes interior headroom and extends the vestibules. The top view (right) shows that the tent's floor is rectangular. The body is mesh except for a diamond-shaped nylon ceiling panel.

Although the tent floor is specified to be 50 inches wide, I measured it at 40 inches wide seam to seam in the center of the tent. I reported the discrepancy to Cascade Designs, and the response I received from their tent designer was: "We measure the floor width from the widest point inside the tent, which is near the stake loops". I measured the tent floor between the stake loops at the ends of the tent, and found the width to be 46.5 inches. The extra width at the ends of the tent has little practical use; the center of the tent is 40 inches wide, not 50 inches as implied in MSR's specifications. The length is 84 inches as specified. This means the floor area is actually 23.3 square feet, rather than the specified 29 square feet. See my further comments on this issue in the Performance and Assessment sections of this review.

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review - 4
Inside features. Although the floor (top left) is specified to be 50 inches wide, I measured it at only 40 inches at the center, wide enough for two standard 20 inch wide inflatable sleeping pads. Each corner has a mesh storage pocket (bottom left), which is a nice feature. The rear vestibule (right) is actually a storage area accessible only from the inside through a vertical zipper, which limits the passage of larger items like a backpack.

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review - 5
The Carbon Reflex 2 comes with two Easton carbon fiber poles, a pole repair sleeve, and eight aluminum alloy stakes (left). The fly attaches to the ridgepole (right) with six clips, five Velcro loops, and two grommets at the ends of the top strut.

Performance

Setting up the Carbon Reflex 2 is a conventional process and is not fast as claimed:

  1. Lay out the footprint (if you purchased one) and stake the corners.
  2. Lay the tent body on top of the footprint.
  3. Attach the ridgepole to grommets in the tent body and footprint.
  4. Attach the tent body to the ridgepole via six clips and attach the four corner tieouts to the stakes.
  5. Attach the top strut over the ridgepole to grommets on the tent body.
  6. Lay the tent fly over the tent body, attach four Velcro loops to the ridgepole, attach grommets on the fly to the ends of the top strut, and attach corner buckles to the tent body.
  7. Stake out the front and rear vestibules and end guylines.

As I said, setup is not fast and could be a bit stressful while in the rain or wind. However, once the process is learned, it is straightforward.

Once assembled, the Carbon Reflex 2 is a tight unit. The inner tent is very taut and maintains a 3-inch airspace between it and the fly, more at the top. The tautness also enables the zipper on the entry door to be operated with one hand. The 49 inch long top strut is a simple and clever design element; it maximizes interior headroom and usable space, and also extends the vestibules so rain does not fall directly into the tent.

The most noteworthy drawback of the Carbon Reflex 2 is its single entry door. This means that the sleeper in the back of the tent must climb over the front sleeper in order to enter and exit the tent. My wife and I found it quite livable, but it helps a lot for the rear sleeper to be smaller and more nimble

As mentioned in the previous section, the tent floor is 40 inches wide, not 50 inches as specified. As shown in one of the photos above, the tent is wide enough for two standard 20 inch wide sleeping pads and that's all. That said, we did find the interior of the Carbon Reflex 2 to be adequately roomy. The roominess is enhanced by the tent's top strut which maximizes interior headroom and usable space. We also liked the side entry into the tent's four corner storage pockets, which is ergonomically more efficient than a top entry.

Although I was not able to test the tent in winds stronger than 20 miles per hour, I at least found that the Carbon Reflex 2 is stable in moderate winds. The tent is basically a dome shape which helps it shed wind.

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review - 7
The MSR Carbon Reflex will handle a coating of snow, but that's not its forte'.

During our testing I was able to evaluate the tent's storm worthiness and condensation resistance on several occasions. On two winter camping trips in southern Utah, nighttime temperatures dropped into the upper teens under clear calm conditions, and we saw no more than light condensation (frost) on the inside of the tent fly. On a 10-day trip in southeastern Arizona we experienced one all-night rain and several nights in the 30-34 F range. With the tent's vestibule and mesh door closed every night, we had moderate condensation on the inside of the tent fly. On a March trip to New Mexico's Chaco Canyon National Historical Park, we slept in the tent on a clear, calm night with a 40 F temperature drop, and had moderate condensation on the inside of the fly. The tent does not have a high vent, and we were frankly quite surprised and impressed with the tent's storm and condensation resistance.

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review - 6
Although we were not able to test it, the Carbon Reflex 2 can also be set up in a fly & footprint mode as shown. The fly clips to the footprint at the corners. Trail weight in this setup is 2 pounds 2.1 ounces.

Assessment

It would appear that MSR's objective in designing the Carbon Reflex 2 was to get the trail weight below three pounds, which is remarkable since the tent is made of polyurethane coated fabrics rather than silnylon. Why not silnylon, which is the de-facto standard in the lightest double-wall and single-wall tents popular with backpackers? The answer is CPAI-84, which is a voluntary camping tent flammability standard developed in 1980 by the Industrial Fabrics Association International. The standard may be voluntary, but many states require tents to meet that standard, and there is always the liability concern of larger manufactures. Thus MSR and other larger manufacturers stick to polyurethane coated fabrics that contain a flame retardant and strive to make those fabrics lighter and better performing. MSR's 20 denier ripstop nylon has the advantages of lightness, fire retardancy, a polyurethane coating on the inside that will accept seam tape, and a silicone coating on the outside to shed water. Small companies take their chances with silnylon under the "voluntary" nature of the standard and clearly warn buyers of the flammability of silnylon. Big Sky International even provides a swatch of silnylon for the buyer to burn and allows for the buyer to return the tent if he is not comfortable with its lack of fire retardancy.

A three-pound target weight is probably the reason that the Carbon Reflex 2 has only one entry door plus a rear storage area. Obviously two doors and two vestibules would be much better, but there are few opportunities to offset the weight, thus the compromise.

Overall I am very impressed with the design and functionality of the Carbon Reflex 2. It is elegantly designed and very taut. It resists wind, rain, and condensation well. Its drawbacks are its single entry door for two people and overstated floor width. Functionally, the floor area and vestibules are adequate for two people plus gear, but the tent is not as spacious as the specifications imply.

In spite of its light weight, the Carbon Reflex 2 is still a durable tent and will last many years with reasonable care. But how durable are the carbon fiber poles? Easton FX poles are supplied with the Carbon Reflex, which are stiffer and more durable than Fibraplex poles. The most common types of damage to carbon fiber poles is crushing them or breaking them at a connection. When assembling the poles, it's very important to make sure that every connection is completely inserted. MSR's lifetime pole guarantee states: "MSR offers a limited warranty, to the original owner, on all MSR tent framework. If your tent pole breaks, MSR will repair or replace it, free, for the lifetime of the tent, upon postage-paid delivery to the MSR Product Service Center."

The closest comparisons to the Carbon Reflex 2 are the Big Sky International Evolution 2P and the Terra Nova Laser. In a comparable configuration with carbon fiber poles, the Big Sky Evolution 2P has a trail weight of 2 pounds 13.5 ounces and cost of about US$481 (almost the same), but it has two doors and two vestibules, a true 29.75 square feet of floor space, two top vents, a window, and it's freestanding. The Evolution 2P's width is specified to be 56 inches at the head end and 46 inches at the foot end; I measured it and found it to be right on. The Terra Nova Laser has a trail weight of only 2 pounds 8 ounces, but its 22.3 square foot floor space (trapezoidal, 35.4 inches wide x 91 inches long) is very tight for two people, and it costs about US$463. Overall, the Carbon Reflex 2 compares somewhat favorably with the competition, but the final decision depends on the value placed on fire retardancy and two entry doors instead of one.

What's Good

  • Sub-three-pound (trail weight) two-person double-wall tent
  • Elegantly designed to minimize weight and maximize interior usable space
  • Easton FX carbon fiber poles and lightweight Needle "unbendable" stakes
  • Tent is very taut and maintains an air space between the inner tent and fly
  • StayDry entrance (fly overhangs entry door so rain does not hit the tent floor)
  • Adequate space for two people plus gear
  • Wind stable and storm worthy
  • Surprisingly little condensation

What's Not So Good

  • Only one entry door
  • Floor width and area are less than specified
  • Difficult access to rear vestibule from inside the tent

Recommendations for Improvement

  • Somehow, squeeze a second door into the feature set without adding weight
  • Revise the specifications regarding the floor width and area
  • Switch to an L-shaped zipper for improved access to the rear storage area


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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/28/2009 19:15:55 MDT Print View

Companion forum thread to:

MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/28/2009 19:34:43 MDT Print View

Let's see: The same weight as the Scarp 2, but $170 more expensive, considerably less roomy (narrower and less ceiling height), less sturdy, only one entry. Sounds like a winner. No doubt BPL members will be queuing in droves for this tent.

Perhaps I'm missing something. What advantages does this tent have?

Will: a thorough review as always, thank you. Your reports are always excellent. What is the possibility of incorporating short videos into your reviews in future? (like you did for the Big Sky convertible review). I would really like videos to become a permanent part of all BPL reviews. There are no real technical challenges, and I think they would be greatly appreciated by BPL readers!

Edited by ashleyb on 04/28/2009 19:41:43 MDT.

Matt Lutz
(citystuckhiker) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: Re: MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/28/2009 19:42:06 MDT Print View

@Ashley: You're not missing anything. Also, Backpacker mag (trust them if you will) said the tent had durability problems due to its lightweight fabrics.

Once again, I'm waiting for this tent to flop simply due to price. If I'm going to drop $500 on a tent, it's going to be a Hilleberg or Stephenson or some other extreme-conditions tent.

Henry Shires should also be tee'd off; the tent is essentially an expensive take on his Rainbow/Double Rainbows. Also, DR setup time wins v. this tent.

The floor width discrepancy bothers me. This tent appears suited for sleeping head-to-foot. My MK1 has a 48" floor width and even that is probably too tight for the tent's use (winter camping). With 40" to play with, where is the room for anything else?

I second the video plugs. Great review, as always Will.

Edited by citystuckhiker on 04/28/2009 19:46:35 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Carbon Reflex 2 on 04/28/2009 20:17:36 MDT Print View

Out of curiousity, how does the floor space compare to the regular Hubba Hubba? I suspect the HH is wider for two.

Ashley, isn't this shelter lighter than the what the Scarp 2 is expected to be? The Scarp 2 will also have less head room at the ends, which is a consideration for taller folk. Just curious.

Thanks Will for the thorough review.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Carbon Reflex 2 on 04/28/2009 20:22:03 MDT Print View

> Ashley, isn't this shelter lighter than the what the Scarp 2 is expected to be?

Oh, yep, I wasn't looking at the "trail" weight which is indeed lower than the Scarp 2. But it uses carbon poles and is only 40 inches wide (as opposed to 52 inches). Not sure whether there will be much more head room at the end. Maybe a bit. The Scarp 2 has a head height of 44 inches in the middle, and something like 18 inches at the end.

The price is nuts, but I guess not many people will be paying retail.

Dan Cunningham
(mn-backpacker)

Locale: Land of 12,000 Loons
Re: Re: Carbon Reflex 2 on 04/28/2009 20:36:38 MDT Print View

40" Wide?? Seriously!? And that is somehow a 2 person tent? I hope you are lovers! :)

A Double Rainbow is effectively 48-50" wide, and the Lunar Duo is even wider at 54", and both are also longer as well. Did I mention higher peak height? Both only weigh 2.5 pounds, have 2 doors, and are under $300!

I am sorry if somebody here owns one, but I do think this tent completely absurd and a waste of money. Except for the fact that you can buy it from places like REI since it won't go up in flames, I don't get it.

Just to compare space, here is the MSR tent with two 20" pads compared to my Lunar Duo (MSR is the upper left photo). Which would you rather sleep in?



2 Mattresses in Lunar Duo

Edited by mn-backpacker on 04/28/2009 20:37:34 MDT.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Re: Carbon Reflex 2 on 04/28/2009 20:42:16 MDT Print View

When you think about it, this tent bears most resemblance to the single-person rainbow, which is 38 inches wide in bathtub mode. It also has only one entry, but is less than half the price and only weighs 2 pounds 2 oz!

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/28/2009 21:22:10 MDT Print View

To me it appears that sitting up facing each other there could be more head room in the MSR, however there are several inches of space between the inner and the fly. The inner is loose so you can have the head against it and not feel any pressure.
Laying down the Scarp 2 will have a lot more usable space, the 86" of the TT are corner to corner and so is the 19.5" min height.
Note that the MSR corners move inward and a few inches are lost because of the angle of the inner. ( with two people side by side ,the max length is irrelevant)
Franco

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Carbon Reflex 2 on 04/28/2009 21:34:25 MDT Print View

Not sure on the weights everyone is throwing around. My single person Rainbow after seam sealing is 38 oz. No way the Double is the same weight. In any event, this MSR will be heavily discounted at some point. I think if it was $300, it would be a viable alternative to big and tall folks who would use the shelter as a 1+ shelter.

I also think that we need to compare double wall to double wall. If you consider the more robust materials, perhaps the MSR is also more viable. The curved spine also provides much usable space for taller folks, especially over faces when sleeping.

Don't mistake my comments other than trying to engage discussion. I don't own nor will I be buying this tent but I find that many of us (me included) tend to instantly jump on a mainstream manufacturer without perhaps comparing like products. Just a thought.

Scott Smith
(mrmuddy) - M

Locale: No Cal
MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/28/2009 21:54:02 MDT Print View

As always an Excellent review ..

So, I suggest a new rating standard ..

Instead of " recommended" ( for example) . how about, " yes, I would buy this tent" as in .. not a "comped tent"; and, lined up against all of the competition, I would buy this tent ( also assumes, like most of us, that the reviewer owns a handful of tents )

So, in this case would Will buy . with his own hard earned $ this tent .. hmmm, me thinks not..

David Booth
(davidbooth) - M

Locale: Australia
MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/29/2009 03:49:46 MDT Print View

What is this phantom Scarp 2 ? Is it real or imaginary?

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/29/2009 04:01:51 MDT Print View

> What is this phantom Scarp 2 ? Is it real or imaginary?

The new tarptent from Henry Shires, check out his website if you haven't already.

It's due to go on sale early May... so possibly as early as next week. Very cool tent. The reflex would be embarrassed to stand next to it.

Unless there was a fire, in which case the reflex would come out on top. ;-)

Aaron Lastname
(Cloudveil9) - F
TarpTent on 04/29/2009 08:02:28 MDT Print View

I'm not really sure of this comparison between this tent and the Scarp 2 - Isn't the Scarp 2 supposed to be quite a bit larger, and heavier? The packaged weight of the MSR is only 52oz (Website spec). Granted it looks on the small (And expensive) side, but in that same weight class I would lean towards comparing it more with the Rainshadow 2, say. A couple oz lighter after seam-sealing and with two poles...And a lot bigger. (Even than the Scarp 2)

Edited by Cloudveil9 on 04/29/2009 08:14:12 MDT.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: WNC
Re: TarpTent Scarp 2 on 04/29/2009 08:07:21 MDT Print View

Pretty sure the Scarp 2 weight is also 52 oz for the standard 1 pole model with mesh interior.

Aaron Lastname
(Cloudveil9) - F
Scarp 2 on 04/29/2009 08:08:55 MDT Print View

I was thinking with the crossing poles for the Scarp 2, I guess. I see now that the MSR is not free-standing so I suppose it might be better to compare it to the Scarp without the crossing poles. My bad. :) Nothing has convinced to give up the Rainshadow 2 yet though! :P

Edited by Cloudveil9 on 04/29/2009 08:13:37 MDT.

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Responses to Carbon Reflex Questions on 04/29/2009 08:12:14 MDT Print View

Hi all, here's my responses and added comments to the discussion on the MSR Carbon Reflex 2 tent:

Ashley and others: The design of the Tarptent Scarp 2 was not finalized, and therefore the tent not in production when I wrote this review, so I couldn't use it for a comparison. Now we have the Scarp 2, and it is indeed a strong contender versus the Carbon Reflex 2, Big Sky tents, and others. I am currently testing the Scarp 2, and we will publish a review in early June.

As David points out, in all fairness, double wall tents should be compared with other double wall tents. Comparing the Carbon Reflex 2 to single wall tents is lapsing into a discussion of favorite tents.

Regarding videos in reviews: I have included a video in some of my past reviews, especially when I was able to show the product in more extreme conditions, or where I felt a video tour would show the product better than mere words. Including videos was a big challenge for BPL's production staff, but I believe they have the mechanics worked out now. I will strive to include a video in my reviews from now on. I think they really help readers get familiarized with a product to assist in making a purchase decision, especially for an on-line purchase when they can't physically check out a product in a store before purchasing it.

Happy hiking,
Will

Ross Bleakney
(rossbleakney) - MLife

Locale: Cascades
Re: MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/29/2009 11:44:59 MDT Print View

This tent will sell. It won't sell like the new NeoAir, but it will sell, for one important reason: it is the lightest two person, double walled tent you can buy from REI. Actually, it is probably the lightest two person tent of any sort you can buy from REI (I think REI only sells the Bibler/Black Diamond single walled tent, which is just a bit heavier). Likewise, other retailers (mail order, etc.) don't carry tents from the smaller outfits. The $500 price tag is steep, but people will pay it (after all, compared to something like a car, $500 is not that much).

As this excellent article mentioned, this tent, like so many others, are hamstrung by the flame retardant standards. I wonder what this tent would weigh if it was made from silnylon, or better yet, Cuben fiber?

Richard Sullivan
(richard.s) - MLife

Locale: Supernatural BC
Re: MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 04/29/2009 13:18:59 MDT Print View

One thing Will omitted from the What's Good section is that the tent has 10,000mm waterproofness on the floor. This is great for the NW where we often camp on sodden ground or could have a river below the floor all night. For comparison the BA tent floors are 1200mm which will soak through easily. I read that the standard for silnylon is 2psi or 1400mm. So in any case we are looking at 7-8 times the pressure rating on the floor versus typical UL tents.

I am told that MSR builds for the Northwest...

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
MSR Carbon Reflex on 04/29/2009 16:03:39 MDT Print View

Ineresting.

Edited by FamilyGuy on 11/22/2009 15:32:21 MST.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Responses to Carbon Reflex Questions on 04/29/2009 18:50:27 MDT Print View

Thanks Will. I'm looking forward to your Scarp 2 review, though chances are I will have bought one by the time the review comes out!

Good to hear you will try to pop a few more videos in. I guess it's not "straightforward" if BPL is using its own software to display the vids. I was imagining it could be as simple as inserting a youtube video into the page, but forgot that it would need to be member-restricted so that wouldn't work too well on youtube!

I guess we should all be glad that the mainstream manufacturers are continuing to push their tent weights down. As has been pointed out, the main thing hamstringing these tents is that they are made out of heavier material -- which is not entirely their fault.

I can bag them out for calling it a two person tent when it is only 40 inches wide though. In a way it's the worst of both worlds -- wider than you need for a one man tent, but not wide enough for 2 people! I wouldn't even sleep in a 40 inch wide tent with my girlfriend!

Brad Groves
(4quietwoods) - MLife

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: MSR Carbon Reflex 2 Tent Review on 05/01/2009 12:32:26 MDT Print View

Will, thanks for the review!

As a retailer with a conscience I've been struggling with reported dimensions of tents. The trend keeps slipping more toward over-stating actual floor area--my pet peeve was the Mountain Hardwear Helion 2, reported at 28 square feet with actual area of ~19 square feet. Not really a 2-person tent! I've found this erroneous reporting to be pretty standard from manufacturers. Even measuring pole tip to pole tip I still can't ususally come up with the same area as the reporters.

PU coated rainflys aren't a bad thing. They are generally more waterproof than a straight sil-coated fly, and the weight difference is realistically insignificant. Big Sky is now using a PU coated, fire retardant sil with negligible weight difference (an ounce or less, I think) from their earlier models. Should be shipping any time soon. Richard's point on degree of waterproofness is key.

Dan Durston
(dandydan)

Locale: Cascadia
Re. tent width on 05/09/2009 13:52:39 MDT Print View

n/m

Edited by dandydan on 06/28/2009 12:19:17 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan)

Locale: Cascadia
Initial Observations on 05/21/2009 22:42:53 MDT Print View

Well I bit the bullet and bought one of these for $355 on eBay.

Based on my initial setup in the yard and two 1 night trips, I find the BPL review to be accurate.

As BPL recommends, access to the rear vestibule would be improved with an L shaped zipper. As it is now, you're passing stuff through a slit that spreads to maybe 16" at the widest point. I haven't measured the max width, but it sure looks tough to pass a medium sized pack through here which is too bad. It would also be very awkward to cook in here. Overall, the second vestibule seems pretty much useless except for tossing my packs under here from outside the fly. You could pass footwear through the tent into this area.

Regarding the 40" width, my CR2 measures around 42" in the middle, but it still certainly isn't close to 50". My tent is 46-47" wide at the corners.

Essentially what's going on here is that the top strut pulls the floor of the tent up in the center when the tent is empty. The tent is a very taut unit and the carbon fibre top strut (cross pole) is quite stiff, so when you don't have anything holding down the floor the edges are lifted up in the center. A stakeout point in the center of the tent would add a few inches to the tents midsection width.

The lack of peg out spots really isn't a problem though....the floor is adequately wide for two averaged sized people. I would share this tent with people who aren't my spouse.

Overall, the tent has a very high quality feel to it. I really like the mesh storage pockets. They are very well placed. In the pitch dark, you can just reach out and they are exactly where you imagine they'd be. This is very handy when you need to find your headlamp so you can relieve yourself.

MSR CR2 Mt. Sproatt

Edited by dandydan on 08/24/2009 16:04:11 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan)

Locale: Cascadia
Weight on 08/24/2009 16:12:11 MDT Print View

Regarding the weight of this tent, here is what I've measured:

Tent Body: 578g (20.4 oz)
Fly: 500g (17.7 oz)
Poles: 219g (7.7 oz)
Footprint: 179g (6.3 oz). Optional
Pegs: 8 x 10g (0.35oz). You only need 6
Guy Lines: 2 x 10g (0.35oz). Optional
Pole Repair Tube: 8g (0.3oz)
Main Stuff Sack: 43g (1.5oz)
Pole Stuff Sack: 19 (0.7oz)
Peg Stuff Sack: 7g (0.25oz)

If you carried all this stuff (including the footprint) it would weigh 1653g (3.65lbs or 58.4).

A more realistic setup is no footprint, only 6 pegs, no guy lines, no stuff sacks (I use 2 hair elastics to keep it all rolled up) which weighs 1368g (3.02 lbs or 48.3 oz).

In fly/footprint mode with 6 pegs and 2 hair elastics (1.5g each) mine weighs 969g (2.14 lbs or 34.2 oz).

Donald Browning
(docdb) - M

Locale: SE USA
Carbon Reflex 2 SALE on 03/18/2010 10:56:42 MDT Print View

I have been interested in a light tent that my 6yo daughter, my 65lb Belgian Sheepdog (with nails, ie tough floor material appreciated) and I can sleep. This seemed to be just the tent! Mind you, the dog and I did quite well in my Scarp I, although in a rainstorm, enough moisture collected on the floor to fry my itouch (ouch).
I've notice that backcountrygear.com has put this tent on sale for $399, effectively $100 off MSR. I've taken advantage at this price point, and will use it this weekend with my crew!
Don