Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review

Lower volume ultralight backpack with removable stays and other components - so you can set up the pack for individual trips and personal preferences to your heart's content.

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Overall Rating: Highly Recommended

It’s rare to review a product with only minor flaws, and for those exceptional products, we reserve our Highly Recommended rating. The Gorilla is a perfect size for ultralight backpacking, for a wide range of trip lengths. Many of its components are removable, so it can readily be set up for individual trips and user preferences. This versatile pack can be stripped down to a 15.6-ounce frameless backpack for light loads, or built up to comfortably carry 25-plus-pound loads when needed. For the ultralight backpacker, this is one pack that will do it all.

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by Will Rietveld |

Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review - 1
The new Gorilla backpack is Gossamer Gear's latest and greatest - 2800 cubic inches and 24.5 ounces (size Large). It's constructed of durable fabrics and mesh and has a new contoured removable aluminum frame.

Introduction

I still have my original Gossamer Gear G4 frameless backpack. It has a few holes in the bottom from scraping over rocks, but it's still a perfectly good pack. Fast forward to the new Gossamer Gorilla pack, and you will notice some familiar features - front and side mesh pockets, rolltop closure, wide shoulder straps, sleeping pad sleeve, and you can still stuff socks for padding in the shoulder straps and hipbelt if you want. Conceptually, Gossamer Gear packs have not changed, but there are huge improvements in the details that make them a whole lot better. The new Gorilla backpack, with its durable fabrics and removable curved aluminum frame, is state-of-the-art Gossamer Gear. (And you can still purchase a new G4 if you need a replacement.)

Gossamer Gear introduced an ultralight removable frame in their Mariposa backpack back in 2004, consisting of two straight carbon fiber stays (0.9 ounce/pair) inserted into sleeves on the backpanel. The Mariposa could be used either as a frameless backpack or with the stays inserted to increase its load carrying capacity. The concept was a big advancement at the time (an ultralight frameless or internal frame backpack ALL IN ONE!), but the straight stays were less than ideal for pack fit and load-carrying comfort. After experimenting with several prototypes, they developed a curved aluminum stay (3.4 ounces) that fits into the same sleeves on the backpanel. I have tested both versions and can unequivocally say that the curved stay, along with other improvements incorporated into the Gorilla pack, are a big improvement. This pack is near perfection!

Description

The new Gossamer Gear Gorilla is designed to be as versatile as possible. The pack comes in three sizes (S, M, L) and three hipbelt sizes are available. The pack body is the same for all pack sizes; the shoulder straps are simply sewn on at different heights to create different pack torso lengths. Many components (frame, hipbelt, sternum strap, shoulder strap and hipbelt padding, bungie system) of the pack are removable, so the user can choose the components he/she wants to use. Accessory hipbelt pockets are available for hikers who want to add them.

The Gorilla (2800 cubic inches, 23.2 ounces size Medium) is the second lightest internal frame backpack available. The lightest is the Gossamer Gear Mariposa Plus (3600 cubic inches, 22.3 ounces size Medium), which is constructed of lighter fabrics and has the same stay (yes, the stay is interchangeable, and older Mariposas can be easily retrofitted).

The key factors that differentiate the Gorilla (besides its lower volume) are more durable fabrics (210 denier PU coated ripstop body and durable stretch nylon pockets) and removable curved stay. The revised Miniposa (14.5 ounces size Medium) has the same dimensions and feature set, but it is constructed of silnylon and does not have a stay. The difference in weight between the two packs is 7.8 ounces, which is the weight added to the Gorilla by the removable frame and durable fabrics.

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Views of the Gossamer Gear Gorilla: The front view (top left) shows the pack's large front pocket made of durable stretch nylon. There are six loops in the side seams to attach a bungie system (not shown). The backpanel view (top right) shows the pack's wide shoulder straps and backpanel sleeve to hold a sleeping pad. The hipbelt pocket on the left is my camera case, and the right pocket is a Gossamer Gear add-on hipbelt pocket ($15). A side view (bottom left) shows a lower mesh pocket designed to make water bottles reachable. And the top view (bottom right) shows the pack's drawcord closure and top compression strap.

Suspension System and Features

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Gossamer Gear's new curved stay (left) is made of aluminum tubing and weighs 3.4 ounces. It easily slips into sleeves sewn on the inside of the pack's backpanel (right). A silnylon hydration sleeve is visible inside the pack.

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Like other Gossamer Gear packs, the Gorilla has a mesh sleeve on the backpanel (left) that allows the user to insert a sleeping pad for padding. The mesh used in the sleeve is much improved over previous versions. Shoulder straps (center) measure nearly four inches wide from edge to edge, have removable closed cell foam padding, and are faced with 3D wicking mesh on the inside. The removable hipbelt (right, 4.1 ounces size Medium) is a similar width and construction.

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The new stretch nylon pockets on the Gorilla are really stretchy and very durable. The bottoms of the three exterior pockets (one front, two side) are 210 denier ripstop nylon for increased durability.

Note that the Gorilla pack does not have a torso length adjustment, so it's important to measure your torso length and choose the correct pack size. Hipbelt sizes are based on hiker girth. The only pack fit adjustment on the Gorilla is the shoulder strap length; the pack does not have load lifter straps or hipbelt stabilizer straps.

Field Testing

I tested the Gorilla on a number of on-trail and off-trail summer backpacking trips in the southern Rockies, carrying weights ranging from 10 to 25 pounds. For one quick overnight trip, I stripped the Gorilla down to a 15.6 ounce minimalist frameless backpack (I did leave the 0.4 ounce shoulder strap pads in) and carried 12.5 pounds. I also tested the pack fully equipped on walks near home with weights ranging from 25 to 35 pounds to determine its comfortable weight carrying capacity.

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Fully loaded Gorilla pack with 21 pounds (left), and the same pack used on a day trip from a base camp (right).

My immediate (and continuing) impressions of the Gorilla are as follows:

  • For me, the pack volume is perfect for ultralight backpacking (same for the Miniposa). It has the right amount of room for my ultralight gear kit, plus room for food, water, and fuel for up to eight days.
  • The construction is excellent. Stitching is close and tight, and there are adequate reinforcements in stress areas.
  • The new curved aluminum stay is golden! I really like the pack's fit.
  • I love the pack's wide shoulder straps for distributing weight, and the 3D mesh backing resists sliding on my shoulders.
  • The new stretch nylon exterior pockets really stretch out and will hold a lot of gear, and they're very durable. Outside pockets on some packs are tight and hard to get items in and out, but not so on the Gorilla.
  • The backpanel sleeping pad sleeve is much improved; it has stretch nylon panels on the side and 3D wicking fabric face, and it doesn't stretch out of shape and bleed dye like the mesh used on the old Miniposa.
  • The side pockets are shorter and angled to make a water bottle reachable with the pack on, but I use a hydration system, so I would prefer taller side pockets that would hold more (can't satisfy everyone!).
  • It's easy to access the hydration sleeve, and it's very easy to pass a drink tube through a port and down a shoulder strap.
  • The Gorilla functions well as a daypack for going on a day hike from a base camp
  • I really like the durable fabrics; this pack is built to last. The added weight is about 4.3 ounces.
  • The hipbelt requires some effort to remove because it has a Velcro patch on both sides. It's much easier to put back on.
  • Likewise, the sternum requires some effort to remove and replace. A screw driver helps.
  • The stay is very easy to remove and replace. The curvature can be changed by bending it over something round, but I found the pre-bent curvature just fine.

The heavier loads I carried with the Gorilla were 21 pounds on a base camping trip with my wife, and 25 pounds on another trip where I carried a friend's ridiculous 7-pound tent to help reduce his 40-pound-plus load (we talked a lot about how to reduce his pack weight!). I found the Gorilla, with all of its components, surprisingly comfortable carrying these weights. The wide shoulder straps really function well to distribute weight, so I did not have any shoulder strap pain at all, and tightening the hipbelt worked as expected to transfer weight to my hips.

From my weighted pack tests I conclude that the maximum weight carrying capacity (for me) for the Gorilla is about 30 pounds, and the comfortable weight carrying capacity is around 25 pounds. The stay in the Gorilla pack simply resides in sleeves on the backpanel. It is not anchored to the hipbelt at all, so there is no structural connection to support the weight. My opinion is that 25 pounds is a comfortable maximum weight for this pack, but it can easily carry up to 30 pounds when needed.

The Gorilla can be stripped down to a frameless backpack weighing 15.6 ounces (with 0.4 ounce shoulder strap padding left in). It requires some effort to remove the hipbelt and sternum strap, but once it's accomplished, pack weight can be reduced by half a pound. The Gorilla is delightful to carry frameless with a light load; the wide shoulder straps distribute weight very well, and the 3D mesh backing minimizes sliding on the shoulders.

Comparisons

The following table compares packs currently available that have removable stays, allowing the pack to be used either frameless or with an internal frame. Note: information is manufacturer data for a size Medium pack.

Pack Total Weight With Stays Volume (cubic inches) Fabric Stay Description Stay Weight (ounces) Adjustable Torso Cost (US$)
Gossamer Gear Gorilla 23.2 2800 210d ripstop Contoured aluminum tubing 3.4 No 165
Gossamer Gear Mariposa Plus 22.3 3600 70d ripstop Contoured aluminum tubing 3.4 No 160
Six Moon Designs Starlite 30.0 4200 210d Dyneema 2 flat curved aluminum 5.0 Yes 175
Six Moon Designs Traveler 31.0 3800 210d Dyneema 2 flat curved aluminum 5.0 Yes 190

Note that all comparable backpacks have a much larger volume than the Gorilla, so the Gorilla is in a class by itself. If you are looking for a smaller volume backpack with removable stays, the Gorilla is the only one available. If you need more volume for lightweight backpacking or bulkier loads, you have a choice of three pack models that have removable stays. Of those, the Gossamer Gear Mariposa Plus is the lightest by 8 ounces, but it does not have an adjustable torso.

Assessment

Some readers may wonder why a 2800 cubic inch backpack needs a frame at all. The general rule of thumb is that a frameless backpack is comfortable to carry with loads less than 20 pounds. Of course that number will vary a bit up or down depending on hiker size and strength. For carrying more than 20 pounds, an internal frame backpack is recommended, and the sturdiness (and weight) of the pack will increase as the load increases. The Gossamer Gear Gorilla pack is extremely versatile because it can be used as a frameless backpack up to about 20 pounds, and the lightweight stay can be added to comfortably carry loads up to 25 pounds, or more. With food, water, and fuel, my pack weight is usually in the 17- to 21-pound range, occasionally higher for longer trips, so I find the frame to be a benefit on most of my trips.

Another potential issue may be the need for heavier, more durable fabrics in an ultralight backpack. There are definitely lighter packs available for ultralight backpacking, but they are strictly frameless backpacks. A removable frame backpack requires stronger fabrics to avoid damage from the stays wearing through or seams blowing out when the pack is under stress from heavier loads.

More durable fabrics also extend the life of the backpack considerably. The initial trend in ultralight frameless backpacks was to make them as light as possible, which meant really light fabrics like spinnaker and cuben fiber. And, yes, it is nice to have a super light pack for the times you want to backpack as light as possible. However, the current trend is to balance lightweight and durability, as evidenced by many of the current backpack models offered by Gossamer Gear, Six Moon Designs, Ultralight Adventure Equipment, and Mountain Laurel Designs. Pack designers and users have realized that incorporating durable fabrics into a pack does not increase weight that much, but it vastly increases durability and longevity. If you subscribe to that rationale, the Gossamer Gear Gorilla pack is an excellent choice.

Since I most frequently carry loads in the 17- to 21-pound range, I was inclined to use the Gorilla with all of its components because they simply work well together to provide a very comfortable pack that carries a moderate load very well. I personally found all of the features on the Gorilla worth their weight, except the bungie system, which I don't find very useful, but it's easily added when it's needed. The 1.6-ounce SitLight pad provided with the pack is also very useful as a backpanel pad, if you don't use a sleeping pad that is compatible with the pad sleeve (like the Big Agnes Clearview pad or Therm-a-Rest NeoAir pad). The bottom line is the Gorilla comes with a full complement of features, and most of them are removable, so you can set up the pack to match the trip and your personal preferences to your heart's content. Or, if you simply use the pack the way it comes out of the box, it's still very light and very comfortable to carry with moderate loads.

Specifications

  Year/Model

2009 Gossamer Gear Gorilla (www.gossamergear.com/)

  Style

Removable internal frame, top loading, roll down top with top compression strap

  Volume

2800 cu in (46 L) total
2,400 cu in (39 L) in main pack body and extension collar
400 cu in (6.5 L) in front and side pockets

  Weight

Size L tested, includes pack, frame, shoulder and hipbelt pads, bungie attachment system.
Measured weight: 24.5 oz (695 g)
Manufacturer specification: 24.2 oz (686 g)

  Sizes Available

Unisex S, M, L; 3 hipbelt sizes

  Torso Fit Range

Small: fits torsos 13-17 in (33-43 cm)
Medium: fits torsos 16-20 in (41-51 cm)
Large: fits torsos 20-24 in (51-61 cm)

  Fabrics

210d PU coated ripstop nylon, 30d silnylon, 4.5 oz/yd2 stretch nylon

  Frame Material

6061 aluminum tubing

  Features

Durable fabrics, removable curved aluminum stay, removable hipbelt available in 3 sizes, removable/adjustable sternum strap with whistle buckle, removable padding in shoulder straps and hipbelt, removable front bungie system, sleeping pad sleeve on backpanel, one front and two side stretch nylon pockets with 210d ripstop nylon on bottom, twp side compression straps, Y-top compression strap, extension collar, drawcord closure, 3D wicking fabric on inside of shoulder straps and hipbelt and on the backpanel, hydration sleeve with two hose ports, ice axe loop, haul loop

  Volume To Weight Ratio

114.3 cu in/oz (based on 2800 cu in and measured weight of 24.5 oz)

  Maximum Comfortable Load Carrying Capacity

25 lb estimated comfortable load for an average person carrying the pack all day

  Carry Load to Pack Weight Ratio

16.3 (based on 25 lb and a measured weight of 1.53 lb)

  MSRP

US$165

  Included

Pack with curved aluminum stay and hipbelt, closed cell foam pads for hipbelt and shoulder straps, bungie system, SitLight pad for backpanel

What's Good

  • Lightest lower volume removable frame backpack available.
  • Pack volume is just right for ultralight backpacking.
  • Three pack sizes and three hipbelt sizes to fit most hikers.
  • Removable stays allow use as a frameless or internal frame pack.
  • Many components are removable, allowing the user to set up the pack for individual trips or personal preference.
  • Durable fabrics and mesh.
  • Contoured tubular frame is very lightweight and fits well.
  • Stretch nylon pockets are very durable and stretch easily to hold a lot of gear.
  • Fits well (if you choose the correct size).
  • Comfortably carries moderate loads.

What's Not So Good

  • No backpanel ventilation.
  • Frame not anchored to hipbelt.
  • Shoulder straps may be too wide for some hikers.
  • Grosgrain loop on frontpanel interferes with tightening the top strap.

Recommendations For Improvement

  • None, the Gorilla pack is as ideal as it gets.


Citation

"Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review," by Will Rietveld. BackpackingLight.com (ISSN 1537-0364).
http://backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/gg_gorilla_backpack_review.html, 2009-10-13 00:10:00-06.

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Addie Bedford
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Locale: Montana
Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 14:05:38 MDT Print View

Companion forum thread to:

Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review

Thomas Gauperaa
(gauperaa) - F - M

Locale: Norway
Re: Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 16:02:00 MDT Print View

Very nice review - thanks!

Edited by gauperaa on 10/13/2009 16:02:46 MDT.

JASON CUZZETTO
(cuzzettj) - MLife

Locale: NorCal - South Bay
"Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review" on 10/13/2009 16:19:45 MDT Print View

Great article and well written. Though I am not compelled to go out and buy this pack. Maybe because the author is slanted as he uses a G4 already (not trying to offend)?

I would like to see this pack compared to some of the other new packs on the market. Maybe the BPL staff could have a contest and everyone could take a turn with a different pack. Decide the over all favorite and give us pros and cons.

Has anyone looked at the new light Osprey packs? I was suprised by the well thought out features of those. Heavier than anything I have anymore. But I like them. They are on clearance at REI.

Edited by cuzzettj on 10/13/2009 16:21:53 MDT.

Michael Fogarty
(mfog1) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Love my Gorilla too on 10/13/2009 16:41:48 MDT Print View

I've used my Gorilla with loads up to 26lbs and it carry's like a dream. I have it outfitted with dual shoulder strap and hip-belt pockets. I'd did have the hip-belt pockets coming loose from where they anchor with the Velcro tabs, but I plan to put a few stitches in, attaching the tabs to the hip-belt to alleviate this problem.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 20:15:09 MDT Print View

>Has anyone looked at the new light Osprey packs?

BPL has tested the Exos series packs.

Mark Verber
(verber) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Love my Gorilla too on 10/13/2009 20:17:59 MDT Print View

+1 Gorilla so far. I have used it for less than 200 miles... but so far it looks like it's going to retire my GGVT which has been my goto pack for the last six years. I pretty much agree with everything Will said.

The one thing I would add is that the stays aren't connected directly into the hip belt which can limit weight transfer. If a bit of care is taken when packing this isn't an issue though the pack has a bit of side-to-side motion around the center where the pack fabric and he belt connect. I actually find this slight pivot makes the pack more comfortable for me with <25lb loads.

As to the Osprey Exos line... there was a review of the Exos also by Will here earlier. For my purposes I found the Gorilla just the right size where the Exos 46 was the wrong shape to take a bear canister and the 58 was too big. For me, the Gorilla is more comfortable carrying up to 25lbs. I thing that from a feature standpoint they are most pretty nice. The only thing that the Exos is notably better at is back ventilation. The Gorilla is worse than average, the Exos is better than average.

--Mark

Edited by verber on 12/27/2009 00:24:20 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 20:21:37 MDT Print View

Am I the only one that sees this pack as direct competition to the ULA OHM? What am I missing?

In any event, I think a comparison test is due by BPL with competing packs are in order (including frameless ones).

Mark Verber
(verber) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 20:28:21 MDT Print View

> Am I the only one that sees this pack as direct competition to the ULA OHM?

Nope. Those were the two packs I tried this summer. I tried the Ohm the first half of summer and then switched to the Gorilla. I think the Ohm is visually more attractive, likely more durable... and I might have slightly preferred the Ohm's usability (type/location of pockets, closure system, etc). But when it came to carry comfort I much preferred the the Gorilla. I think the combination of the shaped stays and the encircling hip belt of the Gorilla are an improve over the the wing attached hipbelt and strait stays on the Ohm. The Ohm carry reminded me of the GVP Miniposa with the strait stays. Ok, but not great.

--Mark

Edited by verber on 10/13/2009 20:31:20 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 20:30:18 MDT Print View

"Am I the only one that sees this pack as direct competition to the ULA OHM? What am I missing?"

Nope. There are at least two of us. :)

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Re : "Keeping hands dry in winter" on 10/13/2009 21:34:34 MDT Print View

An annoying feature of packs like this, is that the sleeping pad can become soaked when it rains. More an annoyance than a major problem, but enough to put me off. My Starlite suffers from the same issue.

Dondo .
(Dondo) - F

Locale: Colorado Rockies
Re: Re: Love my Gorilla too on 10/13/2009 22:27:52 MDT Print View

Mark, I'm also a long-term user of the Vapor Trail but have been tempted to try the Gorilla for the weight savings. How would you compare the volume of the main body of the Gorilla? Is it more, less, or about the same as the VT?

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 23:11:42 MDT Print View

I thought the sleeping pads were closed cell.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Re : Gossamer Gear Gorilla Backpack Review on 10/13/2009 23:23:35 MDT Print View

"I thought the sleeping pads were closed cell"

Depends what pad you use. :)
CCF mats will not absorb water, but they still become wet. My Thermarest outside fabric did soak up water.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Goriila on 10/14/2009 00:30:23 MDT Print View

I was very close to getting a Gorilla, but in the end I felt the capacity was a bit too small to make the most of its weight carrying ability. Instead I decided to try the frame less route with an MLD Exodus. For a few years now I have been using a frameless sack I made myself by modifying an existing sack and have been quite pleased. However if the Exodus doesn't work out for me I will going back to the GGG.

Tracy Novak
(tracyn) - F
Have a woman review it. on 10/14/2009 04:30:11 MDT Print View

I'd like to see a review from a woman about the fit. Those shoulder straps do look wide.

Andy Waters
(dirtyhiker) - F

Locale: NC mountains
gorilla rocks!!! on 10/14/2009 07:20:11 MDT Print View

Deadbear here!! Just finished the 130 mile 100 mile wilderness... Monson to Katadhin... 6 pound base and 8 pounds food and water, HOOOOOORRRRAAYYYYYY for the gorilla!! A very cold and mostly wet hike the Gorilla responded superbly.. Even working as a foot box cover to protect my down on the worst of nights... Large shoulder straps no problem for me although you need lots of poofy down , or a bear canister, to fill it up to the point you can tighten down the center strap... The pockets are perfect.... did i say perfect? I mean absofreakinglutley perfect... Wet tarp, water bottle, rain jacket, camp shoes, any thing you can imagine... Greatest pack ever!!!

Quick edit- After reading the rest of the posts I just wanted to say that 5 days/ nights of intermediate to heavy rain/ snow on white top/ ice on Katadin, my gorilla happily kept everything dry without rain cover... The only stuff that got wet was because of me being s moron!!!

Thanks Grant for your help and absolute amazing customer service!!!!!

P.S> the G.G. Lightrek 4 poles--- I have never touched anything as cool as these before... I love my ninja stix!!!!

Edited by dirtyhiker on 10/14/2009 07:28:44 MDT.

Keith Selbo
(herman666) - F

Locale: Northern Virginia
Stay Correction on 10/14/2009 07:30:37 MDT Print View

I believe the statement that the stay is made from aluminum tubing is incorrect. The stay in my Mariposa Plus is made from solid aluminum. I had a discussion with Grant at GG about it. He said they tried aluminum tubing but ran into manufacturing and durability problems. The discussion was for the Mariposa, but since they list the same stay weight (3.4 oz.) for both packs, I assume the same rod material in the Gorilla.

I wouldn't characterize this as nitpicking because in a backpacking genre in which label removal as a means of weight reduction is considered rational, so too then would a quest for a workable means of forming high strength tubing to shave of a few ounces.

I would also like to add another facet to this review. The company behind the gear is almost as important as the gear itself, and in this respect, I find Gossamer Gear in the very top tier of the industry. They are responsive to inquiries and stand staunchly behind their products. They go to great lengths to assure long term customer satisfaction.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: WNC
Ohm on 10/14/2009 07:36:40 MDT Print View

My Ohm in medium with no accessories weighs 20.1 ounces so the statement about the Gorilla being the 2nd lightest internal frame pack available is incorrect. At 3000 cubes it's also a direct competitor with the Gorilla as mentioned above.

Darin Butler
(darinbu) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Great Review on 10/14/2009 07:54:49 MDT Print View

Thanks, Will. Some questions:

1. Are you saying that the NeoAir can, or cannot, be used in the pad sleeve? Would the NeoAir size matter (I have a Large), and would you have any NeoAir durability concerns when doing so?

2. What size of bear canister is usable with this pack? I have both the BV450 and the BV500; will they both work?

Mark Verber
(verber) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Re: Re: Love my Gorilla too on 10/14/2009 08:00:35 MDT Print View

> How would you compare the volume of the main body of the Gorilla?

I would say that it is less. The Gorilla lists the main bag and collar to be 2400ci. The GGVT main section (without the ridiculous collar) is somewhere between 2600-2800ci. The packs are similar width, the GGVT main body is a tiny bit taller, and the real difference is that GGVT is deeper.

--Mark