John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July
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Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/21/2014 18:42:56 MDT Print View

Two amazing runners Krissy Moehl, and Jenn Shelton will going attempting the FKT (fastest known time) on the John Muir Trail Tomorrow.

Here is some information for everyone if they would like to follow along.



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Edited by awsorensen on 07/21/2014 19:40:33 MDT.

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - M

Locale: Grand Canyon State
RE: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/21/2014 19:13:28 MDT Print View

Very cool!

I wonder if I saw an attempt in August last year... we were camped near Little Pete Meadow and saw two female trail runners w/tiny packs blow through about 6 am. Our first thought was "speed attempt" for some reason...

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/21/2014 20:43:25 MDT Print View

Aaron,

What do you think they're chances are?

Ryan

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 11:39:58 MDT Print View

I think better than 50/50 but only if they finish.
Jenn Shelton was 5 hours ahead of the record at Reds Meadow last year before she pulled the plug.

I think there is too much emphasis on the time splits. Brett flew for the first 2 1/2 days then struggled slowly to the finish.
He was ahead of Hal and Mike's time until the final day.
You need to back off just a little and not feel like death when you get to the Muir Ranch junction.
The trail improves dramatically from the lack of rocky terrain and almost all of it is easy enough to jog.

So Hal and Mike backed off (?) a little and still had something left at the end.
Although they only beat Brett's time by 42 minutes and Brett started with a 28 pound pack.
Brett's unsupported time will "never" be broken.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 11:49:31 MDT Print View

"and Brett started with a 28 pound pack."

Good Grief! Was he carrying anvils?

--B.G.--

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 12:36:32 MDT Print View

He figured he needed (X) amount of calories, mainly from bars.
So twice an hour he stuffs a bar in his mouth, which he did the entire time.

Those calories came in to weigh I think 16 pounds?
Think his base was 12 pounds (but with a 3 liter bladder).
Brett was no SUL hiker.

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
JMT fkt on 07/22/2014 13:53:42 MDT Print View

This seems to be the year of the female on the JMT. Heather Anderson already attempted the FKT, but failed. Now Krissy & Jenn. And Darcy Africa has said she plans to go for the (women's) unsupported FKT. Fun to watch!

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 16:31:03 MDT Print View

Follow their Spot Track Here :

Krissy and Jen's Spot Track

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 16:37:51 MDT Print View

You have to Summit Mt Whitney to do the JMT?

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 16:42:06 MDT Print View

Mt. Whitney is the official start/end.

Edited by greg23 on 07/22/2014 16:42:36 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 16:46:14 MDT Print View

Why did they spend four hours getting from Whitney Portal to the summit of Mount Whitney?

The John Muir Trail connects Happy Isles in Yosemite with the Mount Whitney summit, not with Whitney Portal. It seems as though they should have started their timing on the summit.

--B.G.--

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 16:56:21 MDT Print View

There has been a long battle about the Whitney Trail to the top being part of the time for the JMT.

The unsupported time stood as a top of Whitney time sense Reinhold did it.
Then Brett broke both records going unsupported, so now the times from car to car have stuck.

For now there are 2 times given at the end for the top to the end and the portal to the end.
Until someone breaks the car to car time and not the top to finish or vice versa, it probably will not change.

Edited by awsorensen on 07/22/2014 16:56:53 MDT.

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
JMT fkt on 07/22/2014 16:58:11 MDT Print View

People have different views on this. While the southern terminus of the JMT is the summit, that's kind of a weird spot to start or end a hike - you still have to get to a road. Therefore, some people have reported times to/from the summit while others have reported "car-to-car" times. Some record attempts have literally started on the summit by the person sleeping there (which seems counter-productive to me). So, either way is valid. Presumably K&J wish to break both records (Portal & summit). Personally, I prefer the car-to-car thing as it just makes more logical sense and is the actual scope of the hike. Historically, for some reason I can't explain, "supported" trips (like K&J's) have tended to start the clock at the Portal, while "unsupported" people have tended to use the summit as the terminus (e.g., Ralph Burgess' recent SoBo unsupported FKT). Brett Maune (unsupported) was an exception to this.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: JMT fkt on 07/22/2014 17:07:18 MDT Print View

Now we need an Act of Congress to Officially extend the JMT down to the Portal.

Edited by asandh on 07/22/2014 21:15:58 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 17:26:48 MDT Print View

The Spot device sampling rate seems to be once every ten minutes, so it is missing a few of the twists and turns of the trail. For example, it seems to have missed the bottom 150 yards of the trail and the top 150 yards of the Whitney summit.

Still, these two women seem to have reached from Whitney Portal to the summit in about four hours, and that is highly respectable.

The fastest that I ever went to the summit was four hours 15 minutes, but that was about twenty years ago. I must have been a tiny child then.

--B.G.--

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: JMT fkt on 07/22/2014 17:35:20 MDT Print View

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Edited by ouzel on 07/22/2014 17:38:36 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 17:57:31 MDT Print View

"The Spot device sampling rate seems to be once every ten minutes,"


Except between #30 and #31, and then between #34 and #35.

For 45 minutes and then 100 minutes, SPOT took a break.

Edited by greg23 on 07/22/2014 18:07:51 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: John Muir Trail Record Attempt 22-July on 07/22/2014 18:24:17 MDT Print View

"SPOT took a break."

It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it?

I could understand if that terrain had lots of heavy tree cover, but it doesn't.

--B.G.--

Michael L
(mpl_35) - MLife

Locale: The Palouse
nice on 07/22/2014 19:59:15 MDT Print View

If you have an accusation, spit it out. Sly innuendo is unbecoming.

Considering the number of instances I've heard from people when SPOT didn't' send, I would be surprised if there weren't gaps.

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
See SPOT Run on 07/22/2014 20:08:13 MDT Print View

Having watched many adventures unfold via these SPOT tracks I can say that drop-outs lasting some hours are very common and often don't seem to relate to tree cover or other known interferences. I've often wondered what happens if a person needs to send an SOS signal during one of these mysterious drop-out periods. ??? A limited sample suggests that the DeLorme unit is much more reliable. But for purposes of record verification an unreliable SPOT is much better than no SPOT.