PCT 2015 Gear List = Heavier than I would like
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Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
PCT 2015 Gear List = Heavier than I would like on 05/26/2014 15:04:05 MDT Print View

Hi all.

Just got an annual membership the other day (to any other new people thinking of joining, use coupon code "packlessbemore2011" for 60% off!), and figured I would post my gear list.

I will be hiking the PCT in 2015, starting April 1st. Not sure what to expect exactly, but I have an idea from reading the forums.

There are a few items that I know are a no-no to a lot of people (the umbrella, fishing pole), but I figured I would try them out and send them back home if needed. The tent is relatively heavy but unfortunately it is too late to return. I thought it was 41oz, but recently realized that that weight was for the tent body only, not including the stakes/ guylines. Oh well.

I am approaching 14 pounds but I think it may be more after everything is accounted for. If there is anything on the list that you think would be better replaced with a different item, or if there is something I am missing please let me know!

Thanks.

http://lighterpack.com/r/3iakqw

Edited by Wonkbro on 05/26/2014 15:07:25 MDT.

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: PCT 2015 Gear List = Heavier than I would like on 05/26/2014 17:02:42 MDT Print View

I've never hiked with an umbrella, so can't speak to whether this is worth the weight or not. There do appear to be lighter umbrellas out there than the one you list.

You could lose half a pound or more with a different cook system.

But there really isn't a way to substantially reduce your base weight and keep that shelter (will you need the condensation liner?) and that pack (will you really need 65 L capacity?). Are they worth the extra weight? Only experience will tell.

My advice: you've got almost a year before you start the PCT. Get out as soon and as much as possible so you can dial in your kit and figure out what works and what's too much. Then use Gear Swap to sell/replace what you want to change.

Edited by DavidDrake on 05/26/2014 17:07:05 MDT.

Doug Green
(dougpgreen) - M

Locale: North Carolina Piedmont
suggestions on 05/27/2014 06:30:47 MDT Print View

The tent mistake is not at all unrecoverable. Tarptents have an incredibly high resale value both on this forum and on Ebay and Double rainbows are very popular 2 person tents. They make an awfully heavy luxury for a thru hike, especially compared to a 27 ounce Notch or a 10 ounce tarp.

As noted above your cook system is heavy, although you included fuel in your base weight which makes it seem heavier than it is. You also are using the larger size fuel canister. How many times a day do you plan to cook and how far between resupply? Take some time to experiment with how much you can get out of a canister and see if you might get by with less. Also, your 250g fuel canister won't fit inside your Jetboil like a 100g will.

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
Tent and Cook System on 05/27/2014 11:50:42 MDT Print View

I've thought about trying to sell my tent, but I've never sold anything online before (never used ebay at all). I would prefer to sell it through BPL, though I don't know how that works beyond posting it on the Gear Swap. It is in perfect condition (lightly used twice), with the original box it was shipped in and all that (any takers!?).

The cook system I thought was pretty light for something that wasn't alcohol. I keep hearing about fire bans on the PCT so that's why I chose the canister stove. I can still return it to REI though, so suggestions on this one would be appreciated. I was going to go with a SnowPeak set, which was like 9.1 oz w/o a windscreen, so I figured I would go with the Sol which apparently has better fuel efficiency. I included a full canister in the baseweight because that is what I would be hiking in, and yeah I meant 100g not 250g.

Thanks guys.

EDIT: Doug, I will probably average between 3-4 for resupply. My longest w/o resupply will be about 10 days. Not sure how much I will be cooking until I get out there, but I'm assuming at least once per day.

Edited by Wonkbro on 05/27/2014 11:53:03 MDT.

J R
(JRinGeorgia) - F
selling on gear swap on 05/27/2014 12:48:37 MDT Print View

All you do is put up a post, then you and the buyer trust each other and it works out fine the vast majority of times. Just be a good seller by posting all key details, include photos or links to photos of your actual item (not stock photos), full disclosure on the item's condition, specify price and payment terms. Many sellers specify they are including shipping, but that is your choice (just keep in mind what will motivate or de-motivate a buyer). Many also ask that the Paypal gift/friend option is used because that avoids fees, though the buyer gets less protection that way, so back to the trust factor.

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
Gearswap on 05/27/2014 15:07:37 MDT Print View

Is it usually the buyer who sends the money first, or the seller who sends the item first? The trust thing is obviously the biggest issue for me. I don't doubt it's an issue for the buyer as well.

Christopher Graf
(cgraf) - M

Locale: So Cal
PMs on 05/27/2014 18:52:57 MDT Print View

Eli,

You might want to set up your account so you can send/receive PMs.......and I may be interested in your Double Rainbow.

Cheers,
Christopher

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Gearswap on 05/27/2014 19:00:36 MDT Print View

Is it usually the buyer who sends the money first?

Yes.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Gearswap on 05/27/2014 20:26:43 MDT Print View

Other than what has been mentioned, I think better usage of smaller dropper bottles could take some easy weight off (deet for instance).

You have some really nice gear (other than the heavy rainbow, but still nice). You will quickly learn what you use and don't on the trail. Then you can send back what you don't.

I got to see a bunch of PCT hikers when I was up by Mount Laguna and everyone of them was trying to get their pack weight down.

Vyacheslav Chetvernin
(vchetv) - M
Hydration on 05/27/2014 20:28:36 MDT Print View

Squeeze pouches can fail. I carry more than one. Sawyer or Evernew are compatible with the filter. It's OK to carry unfiltered water in them, so a smaller water reservoir will do.

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
reply reply on 05/27/2014 20:55:25 MDT Print View

Thanks guys and gals.

Someone asked about me getting the PM thing set up, I did I think.

Yeah the tent is a killer. I *may* be meeting someone in Oregon who is gonna hike the rest of it with me, but that is a lot extra weight to carry for a maybe.

Been looking at other options. There is the obvious Zpacks Hexamid. I've also discovered the Big Sky Soul which looks really nice, but it's even more expensive than the Hexamid. I hate the thought of losing the money if I sold the DR. Still got a year to think about it. Any cool new UL tents coming out in the next year?

Doug Green
(dougpgreen) - M

Locale: North Carolina Piedmont
tents on 05/28/2014 20:04:03 MDT Print View

Regarding not getting all of your money back on the tent...I do understand the sick feeling of loosing money on a recent purchase, but the difference between a double rainbow and a notch is almost a pound. How much would you be willing to spend to take 14 ounces off your pack weight? Regarding the fuel...you can likely get away with a single 100g fuel canister and maybe add a second for your long resupply interval. As far as selling...set up a PayPal account, this is what it was created for. It allows strangers to exchange funds while lowering the risk.

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
Paypal on 05/29/2014 01:46:08 MDT Print View

Thanks for the advice on Paypal. I've never used it before (never had a reason). Might be a good time to start! How does it lower the risk exactly? I always assumed that it was for doing business with actual internet businesses, not person to person transactions.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: PCT 2015 Gear List = Heavier than I would like on 05/29/2014 09:17:40 MDT Print View

You have a lot of stuff that can be replaced with lighter options or even left at home. Problem is everyone has their favorite items and will insist their solution is best. As mentioned earlier, get out and hike a lot. You will soon figure out what works for you and what does not. Experience is the best teacher.

Jake S
(spags) - M
you start in the desert on 05/29/2014 13:34:11 MDT Print View

You start in the desert. You could at the very least have the fishing pole shipped to you at kennedy meadows.

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
Lighter options on 05/29/2014 20:37:07 MDT Print View

@ Nick: What are some of the things I can replace for lighter options? That is what I'm looking for mostly.

Also, I will indeed be sending the fishing pole to Kennedy Meadows.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Lighter options on 05/29/2014 22:21:06 MDT Print View

SHELTER
Many lighter options. Many have done the PCT with a simple tarp.

HYDRATION
You can get by with recycled water or Gatorade bottles. I would ditch the filter & components and use Aqua Mira only.

COOKING
Many lighter options. Caldera Cone alcohol system would be my choice. Would switch to Giga Power or similar where and if alcohol is banned in some areas.

OTHER
Thousands have done long trails without an umbrella.
Replace headband and umbrella with a hat.
Replace battery charger will wall USB plug. This are less than an ounce.
Do you need 4 spare batteries?

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
Lighter Options on 05/30/2014 00:31:05 MDT Print View

@ Nick

Shelter: Yeah, I'm definitely thinking of switching out the tent, that would be the main thing. Maybe a Big Sky Soul or Hexamid.

Hydration: I kinda went back and fourth on this one. A 1L Gatorade bottle weighs 1.8oz on my scale, so three of these would be 5.4oz, vs 6oz for the 3L BigZip. The lightest recyclable bottles I can find are 1 Liter Smartwater Bottles. These each weigh 1.3 oz. So three of these would equal 3.9oz. The Platypus BigZip 3L is 6 oz, so I would save 2 oz right there, but lose the ability to drink and walk. The regular Platypus 3L is 3.8oz, but I think it would be too much trouble to refill. But between a regular Platypus and three Smartwater bottles I don't see why I would go with the bottles?

The filter, I just don't like to wait to have to drink! But yeah, I can see how I might not absolutely need it. I could at least leave out the water pouch, straw, and syringe (just use a water bottle to clean).

Cooking System: I took your advice and checked out the Caldera Cooking System. I didn't have time to go through them all but I checked out the "Caldera Sidewinder System", which includes the cone, the stove, the pot, the lid, and the bottle. It came out to 13.75 oz, which is 2.75 more than the Jetboil. The fuel weight is kinda the deciding thing, I'm not sure how much alcohol would be equal to a 7oz canister. If there is a less heavy bundle please let me know, but I'll keep looking through it.

Other: The umbrella, I might send back or ahead if I feel it's not worth the weight. There are lighter options too, but not hands-free.

The charger and batteries I would be using for the headlamp and to recharge my phone/camera/musicplayer/gps on the trail. Probably don't need four, yeah...except that I use an electronic cigarette X). Didn't want to let that one slip, that son-of-a-bitch is heavy. Hopefully I can quit by next year!

Thanks for your time.

Edited by Wonkbro on 05/30/2014 00:40:01 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Lighter Options on 05/30/2014 00:45:43 MDT Print View

This may not be too difficult, but when I head out, I split up my cook gear weight into two parts. The metal stuff is in my base weight, so this includes the empty butane canister (assuming that is what I use). The actual butane gas weight is in the consumables along with food and such. Granted, the total weight is what I have to carry, but since the consumable weight is reduced as you go along, it is generally treated differently from the base weight.

Some people lean over backwards to lower their base weight down as low as possible, but sometimes they gather a heavier consumable weight in the process. I suppose it is ideal if you lower them both.

I can cook a lot more on one ounce of butane than I can on one ounce of alcohol.

--B.G.--

Eli Palmer
(Wonkbro) - M

Locale: Kamuela, Hawaii
consumables on 05/30/2014 02:04:49 MDT Print View

@ B.G.

Would you consider things like soap, bug repellent, and sanatizer consumables? I could knock out like 4oz right there ;).