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(livingontheroad) - M
roclite 295s on 05/18/2014 13:46:01 MDT Print View

Well, my last pair of Inov8 flyroc 310s have about 300 miles on them. Im worried they wont make it thru the JMT this summer without wearing the sole away under the forefoot where most of the wear occurs. Its more than halfway gone at that point now.

The 2013 roclite 295's are on sale now at various places, which means to me that they are moving them out and that a new model will be showing up soon. These are the endurance last in 2013, same as the flyrocs that have given my no problems so should be a drop-in replacement.

Anyone have any gripes about the 2013 295's or know anything about when the new model will be out? I know some didnt like the change from the comfort last,and that they indicated they will be going back to it ?

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: roclite 295s on 05/18/2014 13:58:14 MDT Print View

Thanks for the heads-up, MB.

I had a pair of the old comfort last 295s I liked quite a bit. Wasn't sure about going with the newer style, but with the discount I think it's worth a try, and just ordered a pair.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: roclite 295s on 05/18/2014 14:09:30 MDT Print View

I can't comment on the 2013-produced 295's, but I wore several pairs of that shoe produced in 2009 (?) and fit was as in the former Terroc's (which hag the same fit as the Flyroc's I think). The 295 uses though the sticky compound sole which wears pretty quick.
About the lasts, coincidentally I had a conversation with their headdesigner and apparantly they have only a few major lasts, but each last has several sublasts and they don't mention that at all. So I suggested to mention those and explain their properties, but no idea if that suggestion is taken up.
What I already do know, is that they're leaving their 0-3-6-9 mm cushioning and are replacing it with only 0-4-8 mm cushioning. And since the 295's had the 6 mm cushioning, that will change but I don't know how.

Edited by Woubeir on 05/18/2014 14:27:07 MDT.

Christopher Yi
(TRAUMAhead)

Locale: Cen Cal
Re: roclite 295s on 05/18/2014 16:41:49 MDT Print View

Heard the same that they were going to go back to their original last that they had in their first gen 295s, but that was a while (years?) ago.

Been looking for replacements for my first gen 295s with less drop and settled on Altra Olympus, wanted the cushion for rocky trails. Still on the fence about the fit. More room in the toes, less room in the mid and forefoot since the mesh doesn't stretch like the 295s so the shoe is more narrow. If the Olympuses don't work out, Lone Peaks or Trailrocs are the next step.

Found the post regarding the first gen vs second gen: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=75711

Edited by TRAUMAhead on 05/18/2014 16:46:40 MDT.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
roclite 295s on 05/18/2014 18:08:16 MDT Print View

Sent an email to Invo on 5May2014
Can you answer the following questions:

Has the Invo-8 Model Roclite 295 been update this year?
Have you updated or changed the LAST from the original design?
Are you using breathable fabric instead of open mesh that is found on the
last year's model?

ANSWER.... The only change will be the colors - the shoe is exactly the same.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: roclite 295s on 05/19/2014 04:45:42 MDT Print View

well, changes in colors only appears to be their standard response. And because I know 100 % that they'll provide only 4 or 8 mm cushioning and the 295 has that 6 mm cushioning, I think they will have to change at least one thing.

I now ware Trailroc 255's but I find the heelcup too soft. Apparantly, Inov-8 tried an external TPU-based design but in my eyes that doesn't work. It was suggested that the upcoming Race Ultra 290 (widest fit they have, 8 mm drop, Tri Endurance compound for the sole, ...) might be something.

Ah, and the current lasts are consolidated in 2 classes, Precision (now Performance) and Standard (now Endurance and Natural). But like I said, each lastclass will have sublasts so it's not because two shoes will have a Standard last, that both will have exactly the same last.

Edited by Woubeir on 05/21/2014 02:01:53 MDT.

Christopher Yi
(TRAUMAhead)

Locale: Cen Cal
Re: Re: roclite 295s on 05/20/2014 23:21:28 MDT Print View

How long have you used your Trailrocs? 290s look interesting.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: Re: Re: roclite 295s on 05/21/2014 02:08:46 MDT Print View

only since late 13 so not enough use yet.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: London, UK
Re: Re: Re: Re: roclite 295s on 05/21/2014 02:37:06 MDT Print View

Maybe time to reconsider the Innov-8 loyalties and try something else? For example, both the Salomon Synapse and NB Leadville MT1210 are highly rated, similarly lightweight with 8mm drop, wide toe box, etc.

Roger B
(rogerb) - MLife

Locale: Here and there
Re: Re: Re: roclite 295s on 05/21/2014 04:04:51 MDT Print View

I have been using the current pair of 295's for over a year now, mostly on hard trail I have done about 500 km in them and am I expecting they will last a couple of hundred yet. I always seam seal the stitching between upper and the sole at the flex points. There is no sign of coming apart and the soles have worn down about a third.

Drew Robinson
(d.matthew) - F
Re: roclite 295s on 05/23/2014 12:47:16 MDT Print View

I emailed Inov8 this week about the 295 and 315 and received this message:

"Thanks for your support of our brand with your past purchases - much appreciated! Please note that the 295 design will be redesigned for spring 2015 and will hit shelves mid-January 2015. The 315 is being discontinued."

Mike V
(deadbox) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
"roclite 295s" on 05/23/2014 13:04:53 MDT Print View

For the last year I have been using a pair of the current roclite 295s and also a pair of trailroc 245. The trailroc's are only marginally wider in the toebox otherwise the fit is extremely similar. My feet are kind of wide at the toes and both fit comfortably. I am enjoying the toe protection and durability of the full rand on the roclite's, sadly the trailrocs are beginning to wear thru along the sides from abrasion off trail. I would recommend either shoe, although I would reserve use of the trailrocs for clean trails/jogging paths.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
295s on 05/23/2014 17:05:30 MDT Print View

Well, I ordered them, tried them , and sent them back.

They are definitely wider than the endurance last my terroc 330 and flyroc 310s were made by. So, someone shouldnt be scared off by the name change on the last. It may be wider than you think.

Not in itself a bad thing.

However, the toe volume is too much, theres too much fabric there. When tightening the laces to pull the body tight around the narrow feet that INOV 8 are made for, the tongue and fabric buckles right over the base of the big toe. I recalled someone complaining of this when the redesigned 295 came out a year or two ago, I had hoped they might have fixed that problem. Nope. The only people I can think wouldnt experience this would have big bulky feet, but then they really wouldnt fit in Inov8 which has a narrow heel.

I have been wearing shoes my whole life, and I have never seen this problem on any other shoe. Not once. Its just a really poorly designed upper IMO. You can even tell looking at the profile the toe volume is too much.

I have a feeling they just tell some cheap chinese mfg what they want, get a proposal, accept it and voila. Thats what you get, crapola.

Aside from that, the shoe felt good, I would have used it. Theres no doubt its not made anywhere near as good as the old ones. It has a very cheap look and feel to it, threads sticking out in several places, etc. Oddly enough, the tongue is heavier padded than the thin tongues they used to have too.

Looks like the search continues for a replacement for my inov8s.

The thing that gets me, is most trailrunners out there, have less lug depth new, than my inov8s have with half the lug depth worn off them. I have some La sportiva bushidos coming to try out next, the toe reinforcement looks like it will solve the problem the wildcats have with upper failing in 200 miles.

Edited by livingontheroad on 05/23/2014 17:19:53 MDT.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: 295s on 05/23/2014 23:42:07 MDT Print View

These actually sound good for me. But then again--I have the exception of narrow heels and wide forefeet. Fit is always king.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: Re: 295s on 05/24/2014 04:04:33 MDT Print View

Actually +1 (I think)

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: 295s on 05/24/2014 11:07:23 MDT Print View

Got mine a couple days ago. I'm undecided.

I don't have the issues MB had with fit--there's more room in the toe box than I was expecting, but I see that as a benefit. Heel fits well. There *is* too much fabric where the tongue meets the toes box--prob. because the tongue is over-padded. The fold doesn't hit my toes uncomfortably, and perhaps the padding on the tongue will compress as the shoes breaks in.

Construction quality is definitely not on par with the older Inov8s--I would not have been happy paying full price for these. The sole is still amazing, which is one reason I bought them. Not sure if the trade-offs are worth it.

What surprised me most was how thick and over-cushioned the Inov8s seem. I've been hiking in Trail Gloves for a couple years now (good for me to about 15 miles/day, even on rocky terrain--after that, I'd like a little more padding, hence looking at the 295s again). At work, I wear Chuck Taylors. First pair of 295s I had, I really had the sense of feeling the ground, and could even feel the lugs pushing back against the soles of my feet. This time: nothing.

So either the newer 295s are more padded, or (more likely) I'm now used to (and prefer) a more minimally padded shoe.

Hmm. I may have just talked myself into returning these...

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: Re: 295s on 05/24/2014 12:12:06 MDT Print View

If you prefer minimal padding, perhaps the Trailrocs 245 or 235 are something that might be of interest ?

Nathan Watts
(7sport) - MLife
Re: roclite 295s on 05/25/2014 09:10:12 MDT Print View

Think I just saw some if the older Rocklite 295s that you all adore so much for sale in the Clymb.

Here's the pic that was with the ad.

Rocklite

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Re: roclite 295s on 05/25/2014 10:19:19 MDT Print View

Thanks, Nathan. Unfortunately, it looks like they don't have my size. Unless the size 9 they list is a UK 9.