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TKB 1979
(ARIZONA1979) - M

Locale: DESERT SOUTHWEST
TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 21:41:30 MDT Print View

Okay, after doing some research & re-evaluating my pack, I shaved off 3 lbs. So weight without water or food went from 14 lbs. to 11 lbs. (still have a 4 oz. fuel canister in there).

I took out the bulky roll of toilet paper. I've heard to use dried wet wipes, which I have packed now, then to rehydrate in the field for use.

So, I'm curious what others do to solve the toilet paper problem?

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 21:45:21 MDT Print View

No TP. No Problem.

J Mag
(GoProGator) - F
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 21:45:27 MDT Print View

There is a toilet paper problem?

My roll of TP weighs 1/4 of an ounce. What issue are we talking about here?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 21:46:06 MDT Print View

Use it, then burn it with a lighter and bury the ashes with everything else.

I classify that as a consumable item.

--B.G.--

TKB 1979
(ARIZONA1979) - M

Locale: DESERT SOUTHWEST
Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 21:58:32 MDT Print View

Lol - okay, maybe I'm over thinking it. It was more the bulk I had in mind. Then I was thinking maybe there was some sort of trick to it ... but I guess not. Wipe & burn - got it. :)

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 22:17:32 MDT Print View

start at 4:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwmwxkD86Ec

this is how i do it.

TKB 1979
(ARIZONA1979) - M

Locale: DESERT SOUTHWEST
Re: Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 22:26:01 MDT Print View

I'm scared to click on that link ....

Daniel D
(Dandru) - M

Locale: Down Under
Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 22:28:20 MDT Print View

That's a valid point and lots of people would over compensate but when a roll weighs in at around 110 grams, it's not a major problem.

If you look at the gear lists, you'll see an allowance for sheets/squares etc. I noticed the other day, one person allowed three sheets a day, 5 sheets weighs 2 grams.

I take half a roll because I'll be using it for other things, but if I run out, I'll use my bushcraft skills.

TKB 1979
(ARIZONA1979) - M

Locale: DESERT SOUTHWEST
Re: Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 22:30:18 MDT Print View

Actually, that was pretty funny.

Mark Fowler
(KramRelwof) - MLife

Locale: Namadgi
My solution on 05/02/2014 22:32:15 MDT Print View

Don't take a full roll. When the roll at home gets about 80% used replace it. You then have an adequate supply for a few days. You will find that you can flatten the roll and even remove the centre cardboad tube. I pack in a zip lock bag with a dropper bottle of sanitising gel.

I have been on a 10 day trip when one member of the party rationed their tp to 3 sheets a day. A couple of days in, a mild bout of the runs and only very spikey foliage had the going rate for a sheet up to a $1.

Edited by KramRelwof on 05/02/2014 22:35:30 MDT.

Steve Zavoda
(Anotherdyemention)

Locale: NE Ohio
3 sheets a day? on 05/02/2014 23:22:28 MDT Print View

Did that person clip their nails and get their hai cut before the trip? Prolly coulda saved em another half of gram. Clip the toenails too and they coulda went crazy and used four sheets a day.

Daniel Pittman
(pitsy) - M

Locale: Central Texas
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/02/2014 23:38:01 MDT Print View

Depending on location, burning TP can be hazardous. Burying it is not ideal either. Packing out used TP is the only method I endorse. Personally, I avoid the problem all together by either using natural materials, or my hand. You wash your hands after pooping anyway, right?

Cameron Habib
(camhabib) - F
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 00:26:31 MDT Print View

Using bacterial and fungal harboring leaves, because what's potentially altering your gut microbiome (I urge you to look up FMT and how it's performed), which has repeatedly been shown to control countless wide ranging things from psychological to epigenetic to health related topics, when you're trying to save 0.15% of your body weight from your pack.

It's my personal opinion that sometimes there is more to gear choices than simply weight. As a quick example, not using full coverage while sleeping outdoors in New England. Ticks which carry Staph, Lyme Disease (which current research indicates may never be eradicated from your system), and numerous other bacterial pathogens, which is to mention nothing of flying insects (EEE anyone?). Sure, you save a few ounces (keep in mind, 1oz for a 150lbs person is 0.04% body weight) by not packing an enclosed sleeping arrangement (or in this case toilet paper), but you run the risk of potentially picking up a viral, bacterial, or parasitic infection that may lay dormant for years.

Mark S
(gixer) - F
Another vote for wet wipes here on 05/03/2014 04:03:11 MDT Print View

I use wet wipes, 60 grams for 15 of them

 photo 20140503_124932-1_zpsnq0suz0c.jpg

Usually have 2 packets, one for washing the other for toilet duties.

Usually leave my poop in the hole and bag the wipes to carry them out.

Edited by gixer on 05/03/2014 04:03:46 MDT.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby)

Locale: North Carolina
Polarizing on 05/03/2014 05:27:27 MDT Print View

I've not really worried about weight but have worried about lnt. I've been in a campsite in panthertown valley that was less than ideal despite a lovely riverside location by tp remnants exposed by high waters. I sharpened a stick and threw as much as I could into our troops campfire later that night. It seems like the bigger challenge is getting people to go 200 feet from water and dig a proper cathole. In the rich damp southeast soil I expect the tp properly buried would decompose pretty quickly but that debate gets lost when you have too many people not getting the most basics right...

Anyway I carry tp and don't worry about the weight really and I for sure have more than 3 sheets a day. No desire to have a backcountry stomach ache and not have a reasonable amount of tp available. I also have some flushable wipes available but those get packed out even if they are supposed to break down quickly.

Daryl and Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 08:25:02 MDT Print View

Justin,

I dared to watch the video (I've actually seen it before).

Looks like good advice. I wince when I she him throw the "sh.t cones" to the side, however. I'd sure prefer to see them go into the cat hole.

I also notice that he is waaay more flexible than me.

Jerry Smith
(crossfox21) - F

Locale: East Oregon
Please on 05/03/2014 09:17:06 MDT Print View

Please tell me there are not fellow BP'ers out there wiping themselves with their bare hands! This is a recipe for disaster! Let's see...save a few ounces on TP...or catch some crazy fecal matter disease.

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 09:55:48 MDT Print View

@ Cameron Habib:

I suppose you can point to peer-reviewed literature providing evidence that going TP-free in the North American backcountry poses a significant risk of "picking up a viral, bacterial, or parasitic infection that may lay dormant for years."

I assume anyone not new to lightweight backpacking knows of safe, effective, and sanitary methods for going TP-free. Some of us do, some of us don't. But that choice has little to do with saving a few grams.

John Holmes
(pastyj) - F

Locale: North Central Florida
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 10:05:27 MDT Print View

I take hypoallergenic baby wipes and paper towels. The wipes are pretty heavy so I budget 4-5 per day. I keep meaning to try the dehydration trick...anybody else do that regularly?

Will Reitveld posted somewhere about how paper towels are a great multi-use item. Since they are much stronger than TP, he (and I) found that you can generally complete the task with 1/2 of a towel (buy the ones that are cut that way). Also great for cleaning the floor of your tent, wiping spills, etc. etc. The baby wipes generally are reserved for a quick "shower" at the end of the day, face washing in the morning, or if you are unlucky enough to have your constitution disrupted mid-trip (yikes).

Buried properly I doubt that a paper towel does much damage to the environment, and packing it out is also an option.

Edited by pastyj on 05/03/2014 10:07:06 MDT.

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Re: Toilet paper on 05/03/2014 10:18:21 MDT Print View

For a long time I was a user of Wet Ones, in the field and at home. Then one day the septic system guy was doing his regular maintenance thing, and he pointed out a slew of "white things" floating around in the septic tank. So I switched over to the "flushable" or biodegradable unscented baby wipes. I open the bulk package and air dry them for hiking use. When they're needed, I just wet them with a splash of water and they're ready for action again. They are fairly strong and quite light--I think 8 of them in a pint Ziploc freezer bag weigh about 0.6 oz.

Owen McMurrey
(OwenM) - F - M

Locale: SE US
Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 10:27:33 MDT Print View

"Will Reitveld posted somewhere about how paper towels are a great multi-use item. Since they are much stronger than TP, he (and I) found that you can generally complete the task with 1/2 of a towel (buy the ones that are cut that way). Also great for cleaning the floor of your tent, wiping spills, etc. etc."

Same here. Try Viva, if you haven't. 3g each, and I use about two per day. One for TP duty(soft, but much more durable than TP, so you can fold and wipe with the same piece several times), and the other in halves for a hot handle holder when boiling water, then wiping my bowl or mug after rinsing.

TKB 1979
(ARIZONA1979) - M

Locale: DESERT SOUTHWEST
Re: Please on 05/03/2014 10:51:59 MDT Print View

I was hesitant to ask about toilet paper, but I've recently been re-thinking everything I pack, how I pack, and how I camp. At a certain point, nothing seemed to be beyond scrutiny anymore, including my own concept of "common sense," so was interested in what people actually do. And the tp was conspicuously bulky (not heavy).

Honestly, I think the tp-less option is viable. I'm a little anal about washing my hands anyway (couldn't resist). :) And watching the video, I was thinking more about how not to soak my pants with that water bottle ... and then, do I really *need* pants ... no maybe that's going too far ....

I've noticed a couple things as I get better at this. What can occur to me in the field in minutes, usually takes hours sitting in my garage, staring at my gear. I like the feedback here, as it's sort of the middle ground - I can't always get out, full time job and all. Also, my pack is now only half full, which is cool, but gets me thinking about a smaller one ... which means I have to submit for additional wife clearance to pick up more gear. It's a vicious cycle! :)

Cameron Habib
(camhabib) - F
Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 11:04:34 MDT Print View

@David Drake: In fact, as luck would have it, I can:

One of hundreds of papers on FMT, showing feasibility of alteration of gut micro biome through rectal delivery (I won't go into any vivid detail but suffice to say, surface contact in that area, due to micro-abrasions and capillary effects, are sufficient for transmission without actual insertion):
Fecal microbiota transplantation and emerging applications. (2012). 9(2), 88–96. doi:10.1038/nrgastro.2011.244

Again, one of numerous papers on the emerging evidence that gut microbiome controls numerous physiological aspects, including central nervous system:
The microbiome-gut-brain axis: from bowel to behavior. (2011). 23(3), 187–192. doi:10.1111/j.1365-2982.2010.01664.x

And finally, one of millions of papers on plant pathogens, this one in particular which is known to pathogenic to humans:
Pantoea agglomerans, a plant pathogen causing human disease. (2007). 45(6), 1989–1992. doi:10.1128/JCM.00632-07

Similar to how there are unlikely to be any papers showing that using a dirty needle found on the street is a bad idea, there are unlikely many biological / biomedical studies done on this exact topic. However, all of the components of such a study have been performed in one way or another with fairly conclusive evidence.

All that said, I understand that everyone likes to think their way is the best way, and I'm not trying to change anyones behaviors or style. I'm simply trying to give a perspective on the matter that some may have not otherwise considered.

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Re: Re: Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/03/2014 11:55:11 MDT Print View

>"I'm simply trying to give a perspective on the matter that some may have not otherwise considered."

I'd say you've managed that. The TP or not-TP question has been discussed endlessly on these forums; I don't recall anyone before suggesting going TP-free might result in alteration of the gut microbiome, such that FMT would be necessary. Or could cause overwhelming sepsis.

I read the third paper you cited. From the abstract:

"P. agglomerans was most associated with penetrating trauma by vegetative material and catheter-related bacteremia."

"Penetrative trauma by vegetative material" seems somewhat different from wiping with leaves, a smooth stone, or a handful of snow. I'm not a PhD in microbiology, but I'm not sure the dots here are as clearly connected as they might be.

Edited by DavidDrake on 05/03/2014 11:57:33 MDT.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Please on 05/03/2014 17:12:12 MDT Print View

Jerry, I don't blame you for thinking that way, but do you know that's how everyone does it in India? Really a huge portion of the world does it that way. It's sanitary as long as you wash your hands well with soap after.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Please on 05/03/2014 17:17:28 MDT Print View

"Please tell me there are not fellow BP'ers out there wiping themselves with their bare hands!"


Nope...just my left.

Been doing it for years.

So when you take a shower, who washes your butt?

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
tp on 05/03/2014 21:02:29 MDT Print View

makes you wonder sometimes how did the human race ever survive this long

Owen McMurrey
(OwenM) - F - M

Locale: SE US
Re: tp on 05/03/2014 22:31:55 MDT Print View

Makes me wonder just how insecure and desperate a person has to be for something, anything, to grasp onto that they have to make an issue over how someone else wipes their butt.

Andy F
(AndyF) - M

Locale: Midwest/Midatlantic
TP on 05/03/2014 22:56:02 MDT Print View

I only eat constipating foods on trips so that I won't need TP.


Kidding... really I'm another natural materials fan, although I do use wet wipes as the final stage to avoid monkey butt or needing a Nalgene bidet.

Jake S
(spags) - M
Re: TP on 05/03/2014 22:59:04 MDT Print View

> I only eat constipating foods on trips so that I won't need TP.

For some reason I pictured you wiping your butt with a wheel of cheese. :)

Dave Ploessel
(mailesdad) - F
Owen FTW on 05/03/2014 23:18:53 MDT Print View

Seriously. HYOH. This has been debated enough.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/04/2014 06:26:27 MDT Print View

GO HERE

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Please on 05/04/2014 17:40:44 MDT Print View

"It's sanitary as long as you wash your hands well with soap after."

Nonetheless, everyone over there wipes with their left and eats with their right. Apparently they learned the hard way, probably before the invention of soap, that it wasn't quite as sanitary as it was cracked up to be.

Robert Richey
(BobR) - M

Locale: San Luis Obispo
Boulder Bidet on 05/07/2014 11:21:11 MDT Print View

I recently started using the Boulder Bidet (http://boulderbidet.com/) which is inexpensive and weighs almost nothing. A few well aimed squirts of water using this product reduces the need for TP consumed by about 50-70%. At this point I am still using TP but am considering latex gloves which can be washed after use, turned inside out, and placed in a baggie for reuse at the next pit stop. The bulk of standard TP rolls is a significant issue for those of us trying to reduce pack volume. Coughlan TP (http://www.coghlans.com/products/toilet-tissue-917) without the cardboard roll is one way to deal with that.

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/07/2014 13:36:12 MDT Print View

Blue Shop Paper Towels....automotive section of the store???

I cut these into squares or rectangles.

Less weight by getting more efficiency from my TP.

They are very strong and easily allows for multiple wipes with the same square/retangle, simply by folding the TP in half or even thirds so you are using clean TP with each wipe.

I also have liquid soap and water with me to wash my backside completely clean to avoid "itchiness" later on.

I finish up by washing my hands with soap and water.

Only takes maybe 1/3 a liter to clean up nicely.

1 or 2 squares can be buried, burned, or packed out.

I personally bury them and realize that these probably are slower to break down, but given that I make a point to really go way off from the trail, I see no harm and little chance that anyone might see my cat hole to accidentally dig up my 1 or 2 squares of TP.

Tony

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Blue Shop Towels on 05/08/2014 06:58:09 MDT Print View

Like Tony I'm a big fan of the blue shop towels (available at any Wal-Mart). I cut them in half and then fold it into quarters. In addition to being able to fold them over and wipe multiple times with a single square, they're actually usable in the rain.

If you ever had a clumpy/tearing experience with regular TP in the rain you'll really appreciate the blue shop towel.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"TOILET PAPER" on 05/08/2014 11:33:49 MDT Print View

I just grab a small partial roll from the bathroom, and pull the cardboard tube out so it will pack flat. I put that into a ziploc along with some hand santizer and a couple dog-poop bags for packing out my paper (I tend to pack out, rather than bury or burn).

Virginia Craft
(aletheia.va) - F

Locale: Feet dangling from the perimeter
Poopy on 05/08/2014 12:37:07 MDT Print View

Sure, using your hand to wipe works just so long as you wash your hands thoroughly, but I am not sure I want to use my water supply as well as carry more soap than I typically would carry just so I could avoid carrying TP or wet wipes.
Plus, personally, it doesn't sound like gooey fun to start my morning with a poopy hand.

For me, there are perfectly good leaves, bark, and pine cones out there, not to mention the oh-so-pleasing large, smooth stone.
A small stash of TP or a couple dried wet wipes wouldn't hurt as back up if you felt the need.

In the end, your butt is your butt so do with it what you want!

Edited by aletheia.va on 05/08/2014 14:16:36 MDT.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Poopy on 05/08/2014 13:35:39 MDT Print View

When I hear about using your hands and then washing them...all I think about are fingernails and what it takes to really get those clean.
No thanks.
Butt..HYOH or....WYOB in this case.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/08/2014 13:55:24 MDT Print View

Ken, one thing about the table in Mike's article has always bothered me. I KNOW he loves river rocks, but 3/5 rating under "absorbancy"? Where can I find some of those rocks?

Edited by millonas on 05/08/2014 13:56:54 MDT.

marcelo mora
(Ondeck) - F
wow on 05/08/2014 14:02:02 MDT Print View

Never thought I can learn so much about tp!

Patrick M.
(patrat)
re: toilet paper - use water on 05/08/2014 14:10:16 MDT Print View

Boulder Bidet. I carry a small amount of tissues or TP for spot checks after.

peter vacco
(fluff@inreach.com) - M

Locale: no. california
Re: Re: Poopy on 05/08/2014 14:16:03 MDT Print View

" Butt..HYOH or.... "

and that dear, is a pun.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Poopy on 05/08/2014 15:15:34 MDT Print View

Ha:)

It was intentional....not a typo

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/08/2014 15:36:12 MDT Print View

As I have 30 mins to kill before my next Dilbert meeting, I'll add my input:

I'm writing this for a specific group that are open minded to learning other points of view and not rigid in their current ways (I'm often guilty of being set in my ways too)

TP has been around for over 1500 years, in the early discovery of paper making by the ancient Chinese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper

Running water in ancient Roman bath houses has been around for over 2000 years. So simply because in India it is customary to go without running water and TP, is not a reason enough to dismiss the ancient Romans and the Chinese, and instead favor the Hindu.

Given the option, with negligible weight, I gladly use TP. If I was marooned on a deserted island or trapped in India, then I will improvise and accept the increased risk.

TP weight: the more you use, the less you carry.
Disposing: burning and burying are accepted method at most places. Unless required to use WAG blue bag those are exceptions, in which case the poo is the main weight, not the TP.

I like TP as a barrier to keep my fingernails clean. In my region there's no water sources most of the year. So I have to compare the water weight to hand rinse versus the nano weight of TP.

Now I'm ready for my shiity meeting.

Edited by RogerDodger on 05/08/2014 15:37:45 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/08/2014 17:02:51 MDT Print View

"I KNOW he loves river rocks, but 3/5 rating under "absorbancy"? Where can I find some of those rocks?"

Maybe he confused river rocks with pumice. One's very absorbent, but -5/5 on the comfort scale, whereas the other's 5/5 on the comfort scale but probably -x/5 on the absorbency scale. Unless maybe it's covered with moss.

The thing that always bothered about Clelland's praise of river rocks is that there are lot of places up high where they're nowhere to be found, particularly when the need arises, or require a lot of time to fish out of streams.

+1 to all those who say WYOB. Religion and waste management don't mix.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/08/2014 17:36:12 MDT Print View

In the end I just assume he wanted the river rocks to score highly, and only then realized his metric wouldn't give him the right answer.

"And the East German judge scores rocks 5/5 for softness".

Edited by millonas on 05/08/2014 17:37:34 MDT.

Mitchell Ebbott
(mebbott) - F - M

Locale: SoCal
Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/08/2014 18:47:20 MDT Print View

"Religion and waste management don't mix."

Quite the contrary, my Torah-flaunting friend.

And thou shalt have a place outside of the camp, and thou shalt go out thither, and thou shalt have a trowel on thy girdle; and it shall come to pass when thou wouldest relieve thyself abroad, that thou shalt dig with it, and shalt bring back the earth and cover thy nuisance.

Deuteronomy 23:12–13


That seminary tuition was totally worth it.

Edited by mebbott on 05/08/2014 18:49:37 MDT.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Deuteronomy 23:12–13 on 05/08/2014 19:01:38 MDT Print View

I'll be damned... It does say that.

Bruce Tolley
(btolley) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Toilet Paper on 05/08/2014 19:09:47 MDT Print View

And the BIG LNT guy/gal is watching
The next verse
14 For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - M

Locale: Grand Canyon State
RE: Deuteronomy 23:12–13 on 05/08/2014 19:18:56 MDT Print View

Yup, I checked that reference, too...

Well, I guess we now know where the expression "cleanliness is next to godliness" comes from...

And good point RogerDodger -- all too often people choose to value one culture over another for no particular reason. Seems to me that, in ancient times, the Asian cultures were often miles ahead of others in terms of medicine.

TKB 1979
(ARIZONA1979) - M

Locale: DESERT SOUTHWEST
Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/08/2014 19:35:02 MDT Print View

"And the East German judge scores rocks 5/5 for softness".

That's hilarious.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/08/2014 21:36:31 MDT Print View

"And thou shalt have a place outside of the camp, and thou shalt go out thither, and thou shalt have a trowel on thy girdle; and it shall come to pass when thou wouldest relieve thyself abroad, that thou shalt dig with it, and shalt bring back the earth and cover thy nuisance.

Deuteronomy 23:12–13"

ROTFL. I stand corrected. ;0)

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
Re: Toilet Paper on 05/08/2014 22:08:01 MDT Print View

India also suffers from a huge hygiene and sanitation crisis. Go figure.

As far as the paper towel idea goes, I prefer Bounty brand, who also makes soft napkins, pre-folded to fit perfectly into a freezer bag. Quite convenient and an excellent quicker picker upper.

Mitchell Ebbott
(mebbott) - F - M

Locale: SoCal
Re: Deuteronomy 23:12–13 on 05/09/2014 10:44:08 MDT Print View

Ian: "I'll be damned..."

Not if you bring your deuce of spades!

Dowser Tom
(DaFireMedic) - M

Locale: Southern California
Mutiny with the Bounty! on 05/09/2014 11:20:34 MDT Print View

+1 on the Bounty, cut into 1/4 sheets. I also use the dried wet wipes, reconstituted at the scene. I always pack it out, zip locked then placed in a plastic grocery bag that serves as my general trash container.

Most restaurant and campsite outhouse toilet paper is what we call "John Wayne Toilet Paper". Its rough, it's tough, and doesn't take crap from anyone.

Its been my experience (more often than not) that "when ya gotta go, ya gotta go". I really don't want to spend 5 minutes or more looking around for suitable wiping material, nor do I care to use my bare hands unless I have to due to the need for adequate cleaning and sanitizing of the hand afterward in a place where its not always easy to do so and IMO requires a second person to truly clean the hands in an aseptic fashion. That being said, its good to keep in mind alternative methods, including the bare hand, should you find yourself in a paperless situation.

Joel Benford
(Morte66) - F - M

Locale: Surrey flatlands, England
Finally I understand the nail file on 05/09/2014 12:48:37 MDT Print View

Now I finally understand the BPL obssession with the Swiss Army Knife Classic. The scissors, the nail file, the way everybody in knife/scissor threads mentions using it to trim nails... ...it's not about emergency survival at all, is it? You're using it to keep your nails in perfect trim for barehanded, well, you know.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
TP and weight and sanitation and convienance and culture on 05/10/2014 15:14:40 MDT Print View

All things considered I'll continue to pack TP.

About 3/4 of a three ply roll, MINUS the cardboard inner tube, is enough for 7 to 8 days with judicious use.

TP is a consumable, like food. I can (just) carry enough food for 8 days and easily carry enough TP for 8 days. Problem solved.

Oh, yeah, I DO carry 4 oz. of hand sanitizer for "the final wipe" and my hands after.
2 oz. for 3 day trips.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 16:04:07 MDT Print View

"And thou shalt have a place outside of the camp, and thou shalt go out thither, and thou shalt have a trowel on thy girdle; and it shall come to pass when thou wouldest relieve thyself abroad, that thou shalt dig with it, and shalt bring back the earth and cover thy nuisance.

Deuteronomy 23:12–13"

In hind sight I am left to wonder, oh rabbi, having brought back the earth and covered thy nuisance, how doth thee clean thy self, that thee not be found unclean, an abomination in the eyes of The Lord and thy brethren, when thou returneth to camp?

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 17:41:55 MDT Print View

> how doth thee clean thy self,

It's called soap and water.

Cheers

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 17:56:51 MDT Print View

HAHAHA..... you said HIND sight!!!!!

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 18:00:42 MDT Print View

"HAHAHA..... you said HIND sight!!!!!"

And this year's winner of The Golden Roll Award is.......

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 18:02:19 MDT Print View

"It's called soap and water."

That sure would take a lot of soap and water. ;0)

Cheers

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 18:09:20 MDT Print View

Or a pressure washer in my case.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Toilet Paper Free Expeditions on 05/10/2014 18:09:58 MDT Print View

Or is it a pressure washer on my case?

Harrison Carpenter
(carpenh) - M

Locale: St. Vrain River Valley
Re: TOILET PAPER on 05/10/2014 18:46:19 MDT Print View

Like many other people who eschew corporate America, I walk into a McDonald's© on the way to the trailhead, and pick up 7-8 napkins with the logo on them. :-)