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Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F

Locale: NW Montana
Re: Re: Tenkara Limits on 04/26/2014 22:11:32 MDT Print View

"Not bragging here, just saying that the "limits" of tenkara might be less than you would imagine."

Fair enough. All I can speak to are the waters that I fish regularly in NW Montana (and occasionally elsewhere in the state) year-round.

EDIT TO ADD: This also includes the rest of the Northern Rockies, which I try to travel around as much as I can in the summer months.

Edited by GlacierRambler on 04/26/2014 22:18:14 MDT.

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Weight on 04/27/2014 04:06:42 MDT Print View

"After I purchased a tenkara rod, I was able to reduce my total packed fishing gear weight from about 28 ounces to just under 4 ounces (including my fishing license!) and I found tenkara fishing simple, refreshing, and liberating"

That really does not sound like a fair comparison. You had to trim a lot more than just going to a tenkara rod make that much difference. When I, on a whim at the last minute on the drive to the Sierras last year, went from my tenkara rod to 4 Wt setup the total packed weight went from about 4 ounces to a bit over 8 ounces. A lighter western rod and reel would make the difference even less. I'd be curious what items added up to a 24 ounce difference.

To my way of thinking, the difference only has to be the difference in the rod, reel, backing. and line. Anything else you could get by with the same stuff as you use with tenkara.

I supposed if you go with a heavy case that could constitute a bit of weight, but it would have to be pretty heavy to add up to the weight you quoted. I'd consider taking the cloth sleeve that came with my rod reel combo, but figure it is optional and I forget the exact weight, but I think it was about 2 ounces and maybe less. So even with that option it is only about a 6 ounce difference.

I am not saying that tenkara doesn't save weight or that it isn't a fine choice for lots of folks, but I think the weight savings get exaggerated. If you make the switch because you prefer the simpler approach that is great. If you make the switch because you can save 4 ounces or so that is great too. But I need to be convinced that you can reasonably save 24 ounces merely by switching to tenkara.

John Harper
(johnnyh88) - M

Locale: The SouthWest
Re: Tenkara limits on 04/27/2014 09:04:52 MDT Print View

I've fished quite a few lakes with a tenkara rod with good success. Some times the fish are far out and my friend's spinner rod only catches fish. Other times there are lots of fish near the shore and the spinner rod misses these because it is focused on fishing farther away. I enjoy both styles and they compliment each other well - at least one of us usually catches something.

Tenkara will always be lighter by a few ounces or more. But I suspect the weight difference matters little to those who enjoy fishing. I usually don't hike as far when fishing anyway.

Adam Klagsbrun
(klags) - MLife

Locale: Northeast US
So convince yourself... on 04/27/2014 09:12:46 MDT Print View

Steve, you say: "But I need to be convinced that you can reasonably save 24 ounces merely by switching to tenkara." Why? Because your traditional setup was lighter? The point isn't just to save weight... and no, you don't need to be convinced that someone CAN save 24 ounces on a fly setup... you need to accept that some people carry that much fishing gear than you, whether you do so or not. And more importantly, I'd like to point out that people regularly spend hundreds of dollars to shave 4-8 ounces off their pack... so your point just doesn't really matter here, since most people on this site are looking to knock weight off their packs, in ANY way... this is a great place to at least NOT add weight to your pack, FYI.

It sounds like you are just saying you like traditional fly fishing more, which is fine, but you shouldn't take an angle of argument that second guesses the tenkara setup's weight-saving value, because your argument doesn't fit here. Let me explain why - you are comparing a 4 weight western fly rod setup to a tenkara setup. Your rod is shorter, potentially lighter weight, and arguably won't catch fish as big as a longer and much more bendy tenkara rod. Your setup is heavier because you are carrying an arguably useles metal block - the reel. I know from experience because I fish both styles too. Frankly I think you are just being defensive of your preference, which isn't really helpful in the forums. People know they can buy a lightweight kit and fish traditionally. You continue to ignore the minimalist benefits, as well as the benefits in fishing. As someone who regularly fishes both tenkara and traditional fly setups, I get 2 hits on my tenkara setup to every one hit on the western setup. Sure, I'm no pro-guide, but I've been fishing for 15 years and learning every day. Tenkara is just a better way to catch fish. It may not be everyone's favorite way, and it may not be the most popular, but it is absolutely not arguable on the rate of catching fish for an average angler. I'm glad you do like your western setup, but try catching an 18 inch fighting trout on your 4 weight setup in a small mountain river... a 12-13 foot tenkara rod would make that way easier. The tenkara rods catch bigger fish compared to their weight than traditional rods do, unless you're fishing a HUGE river and can run however much line off your reel as you see fit.

Keegan D
(nageek18)

Locale: Bay Area
Tenkara classes on 05/05/2014 14:07:56 MDT Print View

I would love to add Tenkara fishing to my backpacking experience but I'm kind of afraid to just buy a rod and try it on my own.

It sounds like a lot of backpackers get into it by seeing their backpacking partners bring a rod along on a trip and unfortunately I don't know anyone that is a Tenkara fisherman.

So I was wondering if there are any classes or tutorials in the Bay area region that I can attend. I know there are videos and articles online but I think the best way for me to get into it would be to have an in person demonstration.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Tenkara classes on 05/05/2014 14:28:19 MDT Print View

"I would love to add Tenkara fishing to my backpacking experience but I'm kind of afraid to just buy a rod and try it on my own."

Don't be. That's exactly what I did, though I did watch a few youtube videos. I hadn't fly fished since I was 15, and that was with (and for) very heavy stuff in Salt Water, so opposite end of the spectrum. "Tenkara Classes" might be a bit of an oxymoron, though there is a chance of them being fun I guess. I'd say get the rod, a level line, some tippet, and a few flies and then just do it. It you aren't able to do a decent presentation with a Tenkara rod with 1/2 hours practice I will eat my nippers. After that its not that much about the pure mechanics, but what you do with it. Beyond the techniques to actually catch specific fish in certain areas, the actual Tenkara-specific parts are pretty rudimentary, and I would try it first for a while before worrying about whether you are doing it "right". But there is one caveat some people have made - that if you are already a serious flyfisherman you may need to UNLEARN some stuff. LOL

Edited by millonas on 05/05/2014 14:37:19 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Tenkara classes on 05/05/2014 14:50:54 MDT Print View

"So I was wondering if there are any classes or tutorials in the Bay area region that I can attend."

Post that question on the TenkaraUSA.com Forums . Chances are good you can find someone to go out with.

That said... if you already fish - know where to find them and how to trick them - you can learn all you need to know from the TUSA site about rigging, casting, and flys.

If you Don't fish and you need to learn about fish behavior, holds, etc., start with the Curtis Creek Manifesto and ignore the advise about "smart fish" and the need for a gazillion flys, and read it before seeking classes.

Learning how to find fish is Way more difficult than learning a technique like tenkara. There is a program in Seattle where they take middle school kids to a "fish rich" spot, hand them a tenkara rod, and say "Do it." Almost every kid catches a fish.

And if you are interested in learning traditional tenkara, don't bother ordering "Simple Fly Fishing". That book should be titled "Yvon's Technique of Fishing".

Edited by greg23 on 05/05/2014 15:00:30 MDT.