Outdoor Research Echo t-shirt
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Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Outdoor Research Echo t-shirt on 04/18/2014 16:27:53 MDT Print View

Recently there was a thread about the long sleeve version of this. I was after another short sleeve t-shirt. Most of my existing synthetic t-shirts weigh 4 to 8 ounces. I don't count that weight if I am wearing it, but if I need to carry an extra, then the weight counts in my base weight. I got the Outdoor Research Echo short sleeve t-shirt that was supposed to weigh 3.1 ounces, although I don't know what size that was for.

Mine weighs 2.72 ounces. It is so thin that it can be cold washed and it will air dry quickly. I'm thinking about trimming off the huge fabric care label. I might be able to knock off a couple of grams.

--B.G.--

J Mag
(GoProGator) - F
Echo shirt on 04/18/2014 19:54:46 MDT Print View

Yep. Got the long sleeve 1/4 zip 2 weeks ago and it clocks in at 4 oz for a large.

Had it out in 80 degree weather hiking on the AT last weekend and it felt great!

matt n
(basebalplyr88)
Re: Echo shirt on 04/19/2014 11:51:05 MDT Print View

how was the fit? true? a little large? small?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Echo shirt on 04/19/2014 20:42:42 MDT Print View

Fit is tricky. For many brands, my correct size is between a men's small and a men's medium. By that, I mean that a small is sometimes too snug and a medium is sometimes too baggy. In the OR sizing, it seemed that a small would be perfect, and that's what I purchased, and it seems perfect... just a hair looser than snug. However, you have to wash it cold. If I foul up and wash it wrong, it might shrink. Then I'd be in trouble.

--B.G.--

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Synth shirts shrink? on 04/20/2014 20:32:14 MDT Print View

Wait...synthetic shirts shrink? I thought that was an attribute of cotton and wool.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Synth shirts shrink? on 04/20/2014 20:34:34 MDT Print View

I don't think that anybody claimed that all synthetic shirts shrink. Some can shrink if you wash them incorrectly.

--B.G.--

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Shrinking Synthetics. on 04/20/2014 20:43:04 MDT Print View

Leaving the categoricals aside, it's news to me that *any* synthetic shirt can shrink by washing it in hot water in a washing machine. So looking around, I found an eHow article that states "To shrink polyester fabric without damaging it, heat the fabric to 80 degrees Celsius or higher without going over 230 degrees Celsius."

Wow. News to me, if true (a caveat I have to add to any information I learn on the internet).

But 80C is 176F, and I think most home water heaters are set around 110-120F aren't they? Still, looks like I better stop boiling my synthetic hiking shirts on the stove...

Edited by Bolster on 04/20/2014 20:45:34 MDT.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
hot water on 04/22/2014 21:33:19 MDT Print View

110-120F? No way. Thats not hot.

We turned ours down to 125 F when the first baby was born, then forgot about it for years, until got tired of being able to take 1 shower before running out of hot water. I think 140-150 is probably normal.

Now ours is set at 180 F, and we can get about 3 successive showers before running out of hot water. The washing machine and dishwasher work better too. But you have to be more careful because you can really scald yourself.

Matt Dirksen
(NamelessWay) - MLife

Locale: Mid Atlantic
Re: hot water on 04/24/2014 04:59:45 MDT Print View

Water temp

Most energy auditors will measure the temp of your water and let you know two things:

1) if the water measures under 120: you could get legionnaire's from it.
2) if too far above 120: you are wasting money.

Keeping your water at 180 may help with the shower situation, but at a cost. That really hot, imho.

There are some inexpensive high efficient shower heads nowadays (1.5/2gpm). Those should help out on the running out of shower water issue. That and insulating the pipes on the way to the bathroom.

christopher smead
(hamsterfish) - MLife

Locale: hamsterfish
Transparent shirt on 04/24/2014 23:54:42 MDT Print View

FYI,
I recently bought this shirt. I'm usually between small/medium and this fits perfect.
It's light, cool, but man... The white one is VERY transparent. Much more so than the Arcteryx phase SL I usually wear.
You can see my nips and even belly button clear as day.
Not to get too graphic, but instead of a hairy chest I only have 3-4 hairs coming out of each nip...and even those are visible through this shirt.

Unless you are very secure...I'd recommend a darker color.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Transparent shirt on 04/26/2014 06:22:20 MDT Print View

Wanted to jump in here and & say that I also bought this shirt recently. XL comes in at 3.5oz. It's nice and long which is rare in most XL shirts. Breathes VERY well.

P.S. - Mine is bright blue. Thankfully, no nip viewing is possible with this color.

Ryan

Edited by ViolentGreen on 04/26/2014 06:23:28 MDT.

Bunta Fujiwara
(Quake_gl) - F - M

Locale: GR
RE:Outdoor Research Echo t-shirt on 04/26/2014 06:26:20 MDT Print View

Another light t-shirt is some UA heatgear i have.Havent put them on scale yet,will do,but they are pretty light and not transparent.

Bunta Fujiwara
(Quake_gl) - F - M

Locale: GR
RE:Outdoor Research Echo t-shirt on 04/28/2014 00:58:45 MDT Print View

Here is the UA heatgear flyweight shirt:
t-shirt

At about 3.55-3.6 oz,polyester.

Edited by Quake_gl on 04/28/2014 01:01:09 MDT.

christopher smead
(hamsterfish) - MLife

Locale: hamsterfish
UA heatgear? on 04/28/2014 11:38:11 MDT Print View

How is the UA heat gear with smelliness?
Also how is the fit? The UA stuff I tried in the past was compression fit...which is great if you have muscles. Not so good for me...

Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear1) - F

Locale: BPL purgatory
Re: Outdoor Research Echo t-shirt on 04/28/2014 11:59:48 MDT Print View

Hi folks, my membership recently ran out, and when i tried to renew, it wouldn't let me sign up as just a forum member and so i had to create another account (at least i couldn't see or figure out how to do so).

Anyways, i recently came back from a very hot and humid climate with intense sun/UV, and the OR Echo long sleeve shirt (in white and nipple proud) was one of my primary shirts that i used.

I was really impressed. Especially for such a humid climate, it was cooling in nature, and provided more than enough UV protection for my crisp easy celtic complexion. I also wore it at the beach in the water as my UV protection.

It did pretty well in the stink department, but i only wore it about 3 days out of a 6 day trip. However, i was certainly sweating constantly in it.

Normally i would wear all linen in such conditions, but wanted to try out this shirt. Because of the very high humidity, i would say this shirt did even better than my linen shirts in keeping me cool because of the combo of thinness, breathability, quicker evaporation, and uber white color. How much better is hard to say. If polyester was a more conductive material, it would simply rock. The uber thinness did help to compensate for that though.

If someone ever develops a dyneema or spectra based type shirt that wicks well, has a breathable weave, and doesn't stink, it will give thin polyester, nylon and linen a run for the money for hot, very humid weather application because it's so conductive in nature (yet would dry really fast when thin because it's so hydrophobic).

Anyways, would give the OR Echo long sleeve shirt a 9 out of 10, until the polygiene wears out... (in a few years or so?)

Warren Greer
(WarrenGreer) - F

Locale: SoCal
SPF on 04/28/2014 21:33:39 MDT Print View

Would like to hear any others who can vouch for the SPF ability of this shirt. ORs website says SPF 15, which isn't very high. I wonder in a shirt like this is it OK to count on it to protect covered skin when you are out all day for days on end and just use sunblock on exposed skin? Say on a five-day backpack, can it do that?

Matt Dirksen
(NamelessWay) - MLife

Locale: Mid Atlantic
Re: SPF on 04/28/2014 22:34:34 MDT Print View

You mean: "UPF-15"

This means the garment absorbs about 93% of UV radiation.

Even a favorite tee shirt might have a UPF of 15, if it were actually rated.

I know for myself, I've never experienced sunburns through a "shirt" (at least what id define as a shirt) before - I might have added a freckle or two.

But for those in the sunnier parts of the world, have any of you gotten major sun burns wearing a typical ling sleeved shirt before?

Here's some good info:
http://m.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/sun-protection.html

Warren Greer
(WarrenGreer) - F

Locale: SoCal
OK on 04/28/2014 23:48:33 MDT Print View

I use shirts that are in the five-ounce category. But they also have a much higher UPF rating. I just wonder of these lighter, and thus, lower-rated UPF shirts will work for a long trip where that's all that I'm wearing all day. Trips are either in Sierra's or in Southern California.

J Mag
(GoProGator) - F
Sun Ratings on 04/28/2014 23:59:28 MDT Print View

I have the echo long sleeve and have not been burned through it, though I haven't had it through a summer yet.

I read a lot of reviews before buying it and people said they had no problems with it even if they normally burned very easily.

For the record I grew up in Florida and I have never been burned through any shirt, and I do not have dark skin at all.

There are also some great deals on this shirt right now (on Amazon for one). I have picked up 3 of the short sleeves all for under $18 a piece because I love my long sleeve so much.

Warren Greer
(WarrenGreer) - F

Locale: SoCal
Thanks for the tip on 04/29/2014 23:04:25 MDT Print View

But I went to Amazon and found the Echo model to be $38 (some colors are much less and I did not notice this when I was there the first time). Did you Google to find the best deal? Didn't see the Duo at under $18 either. That shirt (my mistake, was thinking of the Torque) is a bit heavier and so of less interest to me since my shirts are in the weight range of the Duo. Thanks for the post.

edited for a bit of clarity. See () above. This is based on a reply several posts later.

Edited by WarrenGreer on 04/30/2014 19:07:54 MDT.