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Maia
(maia) - MLife

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Top Ultralight Tent Review on 04/15/2014 18:51:40 MDT Print View

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Top Ultralight Tent Review

icefest From Australia
(icefest)
Comparison on 04/16/2014 02:19:32 MDT Print View

Great article and writeup.

Is there a reason there wasn't a chart comparing the tents?

I was expecting to see one at the end, with weights, pole strengths, fly weights, ability to pitch without fly/nest, included accessories.

The data was there, it just required a lot of scrolling up and down to compare.

-icefest

Michael Gunderloy
(ffmike) - MLife
Markup issue on 04/16/2014 05:28:10 MDT Print View

Looks like the overall rating for The North Face Mica FL 2 got lost in some HTML confusion.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Top Ultralight Tent Review on 04/16/2014 07:04:46 MDT Print View

How tall is the author?

Only one tent shown with fly on seemed weird.

Lack of window in fly seen as a negative. Is this gimmick really catching on? Windows? Do any of the tents tested have them? We could see for ourselves if pictures of the fly were included.

Edited by kthompson on 04/16/2014 07:07:44 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Some Ultralight Tent Reviews on 04/16/2014 07:48:52 MDT Print View

Who weighed these tents? Is the author suppling his own weights, or those given by the manufacturer? Will there be additional articles including actual superlight tents? I don't like seeing Dave upset.

Edited by kthompson on 04/16/2014 08:03:28 MDT.

Diane Pinkers
(dipink) - M

Locale: Western Washington
table would be good on 04/16/2014 09:38:20 MDT Print View

I second the request for a table, including square footage for comparison.

A good start by a new author, just needs some tweaks. Editorial support should have helped him write to the standards of the community--this isn't Backpacker. Perhaps calling them "the best ultralight tents" was a mistake---these are all freestanding tents, so calling it a review of ultralight free-standing tents would have been more accurate and pulled less flak.

Robin B
(beckcommar)

Locale: NorCal
Such a shame on 04/16/2014 10:56:39 MDT Print View

Just to underscore how out of touch this article seems, a quick google search reveals exactly zero previous mentions of either North Face tent on this site in the past year. Given how common discussions of shelters are on the site, it just seems so strange to publish a review that would focus on some of the least interesting options to people in this community. I think it is sad and disappointing to see the site fail to provide content that is relevant for our knowledgable and passionate community .

Edited by beckcommar on 04/16/2014 10:58:25 MDT.

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re: Top Ultralight Tent Review on 04/16/2014 10:59:46 MDT Print View

Ok piece though the Pulitzer may not be forthcoming. Told me what to look for in these tents were like from a designer point of view and not a writers. Could've been more clear on criteria, certainly, but a decent enough piece to reassure me on using cottage shelter makers.

Edited by hknewman on 04/16/2014 11:18:32 MDT.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Easy Does It, Folks on 04/16/2014 11:09:07 MDT Print View

Each of us has his or her own list of "Best (fill in the blank)" and the companies that make them. This article openly reveals the author's employment background and reflects his opinions. I see no foul there.

Yes, editorial support would have been helpful, especially spell-checking and proof-reading. There are several errors that never should have slipped past a reviewer.

We have become accustomed to seeing - and therefore expecting - tables in the BPL reviews. Blame that on Will Rietveld et al. This author is apparently not familiar with that style, or perhaps there is no set style for authors to follow at BPL.

I am loath to criticize anyone willing to take the time and effort needed to prepare an article for us. Thanks to you, Sean, for braving the storm.

Tjaard Breeuwer
(Tjaard) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota, USA
Please finish the artcile on 04/16/2014 11:36:32 MDT Print View

Pease right more of what the tents were like in use.

How was headroom, easy of entry. How functional is the vestibule? please show pictures of each tent with flies and of the inner tents with sleeping pads inside, to give an idea of floor size and shape.

How was condensation resistance, ventilation during rain and other day to day use issues?

What weight type are you using? As we all know tent weight can include more or fewer pieces. Please list the weights for inner, fly, and poles separately and mention the number of stakes needed.

Edited by Tjaard on 04/16/2014 11:47:36 MDT.

Eric Gjonnes
(EKG) - MLife

Locale: Northwest
Tent comparison on 04/16/2014 11:53:51 MDT Print View

Funny, I wish this article would have come out 2 weeks ago. This is a tough crowd in here today. Sure, we can always pick apart what an author shoud have included, but he did give enough info that anyone familiar with google could answer their own more specific questions about the products.
Clearly this article is about freestanding double wall mainstream tents and not ultralight minimalist shelters. Feeestanding tents have there place in the light weight world as well. BPL has reviewed UL single wall shelters plenty of times and its nice to see other product designs that may be more suitable to folks not interested in or not ready for the extreme sacrifices of much lighter shelters. Many long distance hikers including thru hikers prefer them over single wall UL shelters. I've seen them used by thrus on all 4 national scenic trails I've been on.
Also, even UL thru-hikers do different types of backpacking or other adventures requiring a small light tent, but with the better protection of a double wall tent. Maybe we want to do a short family base camp trip that requires us to leave the tent at camp but bring our trekking pole with us. I would use these tents on shorter family backpack trips, but of course would cary a cubin fiber UL shelter for any trip requiring long arduous miles.
My youngest daughter and I just canoed for 3 days and 2 nights. There was no need for a bare minimum tent, so for the first time in 10 years I used a freestanding double wall tent. I bought the Big Agnes Fly Creek 2, but now wish I had bought the slightly better designed Mountain Hardwear UL tent.
This was a good article and I'm sure very helpful to many people looking for this style of tent. I felt confident in the quality assessment of the materials since the author has been in that industry for so long. We all know about the Big Agnes tents and it was nice to see some other comparable tents in this category.
Balls-
PCT 2002-2010 -SMD Gatewood Cape and Tarptent Squall
PCT 2011 -Zpacks Hexmid Twin
AT 2012 -SMD Gatewood Cape
CDT 2013 -LightHeart SoLong 6
FT 2014 -Zpacks Hexmid

Ben Smith
(bsmith_90) - M

Locale: Epping Forest
Top Ultralight Tent Review on 04/16/2014 13:02:03 MDT Print View

I agree with previous comments about these being heavy but here's my 2c;

They're all inner first pitch tents too - what gives?

Maxine Weyant
(Maxine) - MLife
Re: Tent comparison on 04/16/2014 13:08:16 MDT Print View

I agree with Eric. Let's not bash a new contributor for appealing to a larger audience or missing the mark of what many of us would consider UL.

My Cuben fiber tent weighs 14 oz., but a majority of backpackers probably couldn't afford it, and those who might want to check it out in a store before paying that much money won't be able to since most of these true UL tents aren't found in stores (and probably wouldn't tolerate the wear of being on display in a place like REI, etc.)

I was looking for a chart too, because that has been the custom/tradition with BPL articles. That would have made the article feel more complete.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Tent comparison on 04/16/2014 13:19:51 MDT Print View

Good article, once I got by the title. (That was a bit of sensationalism, I guess.)

Anyway, I see this as pointing up the problems between "pigeon holed" categorizations we are saddled with. A two or three pound tent is not that much of a difference from what was in use 10 or 20 years ago. To call these tents "Ultra Light" is a bit of a misnomer.
To me, these are mostly tripping tents I would not use for long disance hikes. For a few nights out with the wife, sure. For a week of straight up hiking? Nope.

One big reason where I see them missing the mark: Complexity. There are a large number of poles certain to confuse me in the dark after a hard day of hiking. The clips, swivles, knuckles, Y-joints, pull strap tensioners, buckles, loops... well, the list goes on. A good Cooking Vestibule? Time to set-up all the gadgetry up? Time to tension all the straps? And so on. Not that this is difficult, it is taxing on my 60+ year old back, sore after hiking for 10 days (looking at at least 3 more before I can get to a resupply,) and tired (getting cold) after a 17 mile hike through drizzly ADK mist.

Sean did a great job describing the tents. I know these tents are not for me and I need not look anymore. THIS is what makes a great review. The fact that I can STOP looking. To me, this is as important to me as looking at what CAN fit my needs.

Eric Gjonnes
(EKG) - MLife

Locale: Northwest
Apples and oranges on 04/16/2014 17:27:35 MDT Print View

You can't compare UL shelters to freestanding double wall TENTS. They are totally different items and have different uses. That is why Sean doesn't mention the UL shelters in this article about double wall TENTS. That's like getting angry about a review about pick-up trucks not mentioning the Charger or Mustang.
UL shelters aren't for everyone and not for every adventure. Don't like tents??? Then don't read reviews about them or buy them, but don't choose what can and can not be reviewed for others.

Bob Moulder
(bobmny10562) - F - M

Locale: Westchester County, NY
Re: What a joke. on 04/16/2014 17:32:51 MDT Print View

I agree that there are certain niches for which this information is not totally useless. For instance, for canoe tripping with my wife I did a lot of poking around the site and finally decided upon a BA Fly Creek 4 which is reasonably light and will accommodate us and our dog with room to spare in a more familiar freestanding format and a more durable material.

I had not backpacked for several years, after having done a lot of backpacking and winter mountaineering in the past. It was quite a revelation to see in Backpacking Light the lightweight revolution that occurred in those interim years! Seeing all the new and innovative cottage manufacturers was a very pleasant surprise. I have embraced the ultralight philosophy (not a bad thing as I am getting older) and now have my base weight down to 7lb 10oz, which I never would have envisioned as possible just a few months ago, thanks in large part to key pieces of gear (Zpacks hexamid duplex and arc blast pack) and a wood stove (Emberlit mini), and key pieces of clothing gear by Montbell.

IMHO, just because a particular article or piece of advice might not be useful doesn't render the whole site useless. Unlike "Equip 2 Endure" on Youtube, lol! Check that out if you want to see some serious outdoor humor.

Edited by bobmny10562 on 04/16/2014 17:36:14 MDT.

Paul Hatfield
(clear_blue_skies) - F
I agree on 04/16/2014 17:49:13 MDT Print View

I agree with most of the comments here. The article doesn't really belong on backpackinglight until it is revised.

I think including both 1-person and 2-person tents in a single article is a mistake.

The choice of tents seems odd. The North Face Mica FL 2? The article should have included a more comprehensive survey of other offerings such as from REI, Big Agnes, Golite.

Lapsley Hope
(Laps) - M
Re: Apples and oranges on 04/16/2014 18:07:02 MDT Print View

Regarding Erics comments:
But I can choose which articles aren't worthwhile, that make arbitrary and very incomplete reviews, with my subscription dollars and either renewal or not.

Edited by Laps on 04/16/2014 18:11:48 MDT.

Thomas Glennon
(Eagletrek007) - MLife
I Guess We're All Pros!?!? on 04/16/2014 18:17:00 MDT Print View

BLUF: If you don't like the review, then how about taking the time to do your own and educate us all. Secondly, I learned how to read and comprehend along time ago and while a comparison chart might have been nice, I don't need anyone to spoon-feed me.

While I like UL backpacking, I do vary components of my kit to fit the needs of my trips. That said, I own 2 MH Super Mega UL 2s as I find it to be a great tent for my sons and I when conditions warrant its use. I consider the MH SM UL2 to be spacious for a 6'4", 240lbs camper; headroom has not been a problem for me. Both my sons one 6'4" and one 5'8" have no problem sharing one. The vestibule offers plenty of room for pack and boots. I use the 8 stakes that come with the tent and one can add 4 more if wind conditions will prove to be an issue. I've never had a problem with condensation, rain or shine.

Sorry I don't do charts except at work......

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Some Ultralight Tent Reviews on 04/16/2014 19:25:36 MDT Print View

Here is an earlier, much more detailed review of the MH SMUL2

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/mhw_supermegaul2_review.html#.U08tDV5d1nE

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
I disagree on 04/16/2014 19:48:44 MDT Print View

The website is already reviewing framed packs, .... why not double-walled tents? Though a couple tarp-tents for thrown in comparison, like the Moment DW or Stratospire, would would have been nice.

Eric Gjonnes
(EKG) - MLife

Locale: Northwest
Re: Re: Apples and oranges on 04/16/2014 20:12:20 MDT Print View

Dave U. All good questions so I'll clarify, though this discussion was about double wall freestanding tents and not about me.
The TT Notch looks like a fine double wall tent, but still isn't freestanding like all the other tents in the review, therefore not appropriate for comparison. When I think freestanding, I think of a tent that can be securely pitched on a hard surface without the use of stakes, like the huge granite slabs on the PCT in CA or the wooden tent platforms in the White Mountains on the AT. There is over a 100 mile section of the AT that you have to use (some narrow exceptions) these wooden platforms making a UL shelter, requiring stakes, unable to be set up.
You seem to have taken my past statements on a BPL article out of context. Did you read the entire article and following comments before criticizing me? The author was comparing his heavy, mainstream, old school, internal framed pack with UL packs, therefore my comments were in context where your rude spewings here were not. Also Roger (that Author) has a tendency to bash all things American which is a button for me.
You did get me on the Tent slip up. I was wrong when I used the generic term tent to discribe the Skyscape. I consider the Skyscape to be a fine example of a light weight shelter. However, it was in context to that readers question asking how to get his big 3 under 3.5 pounds. Common sense dictates that he was asking about a UL shelter in order to keep his big 3 under 3.5 pounds. A 2 pound tent would not have worked in this equation.
I will say that to those experienced with UL equipment, the tent review's title was confusing, but to those in that niche of the tent industry, 2 pounds is ultralight. You and I of course know better.
My varied experience has shown me the value for many types of gear and that no shelter or tent is always the answer for every situation, trail, weather, or terrain. Like sleeping bag temp ratings, you have to match the tent or shelter to the conditions of your adventure. That was my original point. Sometimes your anventure calls for a 6 oz cubin fiber tarp and some times you can afford the luxury of a 2 pound freestanding double wall tent. And when that time comes we will all thank Sean and BPL for comparing the differences without muddying the waters with incomparable UL shelters.

Edited by EKG on 04/16/2014 20:29:58 MDT.

Paul Hatfield
(clear_blue_skies) - F
No objection on 04/16/2014 20:13:13 MDT Print View

I don't think people are objecting to the reviewing of double-walled tents. In fact, I really look forward to an update to the State of the Market Report: Two-Person Double-Wall Tents that was published in 2010.

Edited by clear_blue_skies on 04/16/2014 20:17:48 MDT.

Eric Gjonnes
(EKG) - MLife

Locale: Northwest
Re: Re: Apples and oranges on 04/16/2014 20:13:37 MDT Print View

Lapsley Hope- Yes, absolutely.

Edited by EKG on 04/16/2014 20:16:22 MDT.

Eric Gjonnes
(EKG) - MLife

Locale: Northwest
Re: I Guess We're All Pros!?!? on 04/16/2014 20:27:25 MDT Print View

Thanks Thomas for sharing your experience with the MH tents. That was very helpful info. I found the Fly Creek UL 2 to be a bit narrow with my 10 y/o daughter and I. I think it was less about square feet and more about the steep pitch of the roof that comes too close to the floor long before it meets the side of the tent.

Eric Gjonnes
(EKG) - MLife

Locale: Northwest
Out of context on 04/16/2014 20:52:05 MDT Print View

"You are carrying the Unaweep to carry heavy loads. Given that, I can't see 5 oz making a significant difference and would go with the higher durability."
See Dave U. I can also pull your past coments out of context to make you look like a hypocrite, but I believe that you are an intelligent man. I'm sure if I read the related article that your coment would prove to be relevant and insightful.

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
Material specs only? on 04/16/2014 21:31:38 MDT Print View

Truly an article written from a design/engineering viewpoint. All about material specs, with very little in the way of actual functionality IMO. I was left knowing nothing about these tents except what they weigh, and why.

Along with maybe a few of the authors personal peeves and how he could break a 2mm line on a rock, twice. (A missed edit I hope)

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Author's tent design on 04/16/2014 21:45:31 MDT Print View

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/mountain_hardware_bunker_1_orsm06.html?mb_sort=#.U09N9V5d1nF

Adam Klagsbrun
(klags) - MLife

Locale: Northeast US
Yeah certainly nothing personal on 04/16/2014 22:32:30 MDT Print View

Yeah I think its worth pointing out that I think we shouldn't be directing any anger at the author at all... its great to have input on any tents in general available on the market. But personally I feel that if BPL and the editors are going to email out an article that is "supposed to appeal to a larger segment of the market" or "address brands that are more available in the average store," they need to understand why this article misses the mark. These kinds of articles are great. The issues are very clear:

1) the small selection of products from brands that are FAR from desirable to most people on this site, even though there are plenty of options the author could have chosen from
2) the lack of proper selection and definition of categories - 1 and 2p tents in the same review, choosing free-standing tents only, which are usually completely unnecessary.
3) lack of consistency in the language - seems like the author is either confused or just choosing to use "superlight" and "ultralight" when describing tents in the "same" category
4) lack of cottage brands
5) the perspective of these reviews is from a design standpoint, for obvious reasons - what we really need is more information about how it actually feels to do things in these tents... getting in and out, zippers, space in vestibules, condensation feedback, etc etc...

I don't want to be that jerk who's like "screw this article and everything about it" but it really just feels like it doesn't belong... not because of the subject matter, but because of the lack of detail, the format, the lack of the usual rigorous specifics that set this site apart... I'd like to see the author go back and redo this article properly, with more tents, the proper comparison chart, and some manufacturers that we want to see. And I'll just say this straight up - screw sticking with "freestanding" tents. Anyone who is entirely unwilling to consider the benefits of the other options (and I'm not talking about tarps) is just not going to be a member of this site, and therefore is not the target audience for articles being posted here. Focus on weight or something else if you want to categorize, not freestanding vs not. There are too many levels in between.

Edited by klags on 04/16/2014 22:33:32 MDT.

Lukas Kull
(lukaskull) - MLife
No real review on 04/17/2014 02:34:39 MDT Print View

I was expecting more than 3 tents to be reviewed. There is much more variety, where are reviews on all the interesting tents? Hyperlite, Zpacks, ...? MID tents, tarp tents, ...? What are the differences between the different types of tents? I hope there is more on that soon.

Adam Klagsbrun
(klags) - MLife

Locale: Northeast US
Well said on 04/17/2014 10:54:41 MDT Print View

"Kind of like the way I fell after eating "the Best" french fries at McDonald's."

EXACTLY. We all know that some people like McDonald's. But we also know that you don't go serving McDonald's to people eating local, grass-fed beef burgers or veggie burgers, for that matter... same idea applies here, doesn't it?

Kevin Kingma
(kkman)
could have been more complete on 04/17/2014 11:30:51 MDT Print View

Just to round out the selection it would have been nice to see the Stansport, Eureka and Coleman UL tents in this review.

Adam Klagsbrun
(klags) - MLife

Locale: Northeast US
While we're at it... on 04/17/2014 11:46:52 MDT Print View

Why doesn't BPL crowdsource the tents for review from this discussion? Look how many brands/tents have been recommended for comparison right here...

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: We're a tough crowd alright. on 04/17/2014 12:03:10 MDT Print View

My Cuben fiber tent weighs 14 oz, but most can't afford it.

Yeah right. These tents cost the same as most CF Tents.'
What, do people think they are getting more for their money because it weighs 3X as much?

I'm just wondering what audience this article is trying to appeal?
It's certainly none of us at BPL.

This is like comparing the latest technically advanced bicycles and the ones selected for the article were all aluminum and steel with sub-par parts. The ones more people would buy as their first bike.

David Drake
(DavidDrake) - F - M

Locale: North Idaho
Disclosure statement? on 04/17/2014 14:00:59 MDT Print View

Did I miss the part where where the author discloses if the tents were purchased by him, or provided free by the manufacturers?

I've come to expect this kind of statement in review articles from BPL--seems like a mark of professionalism and integrity.

If not part of the original article, perhaps such a statement could be added?

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: Top Ultralight Tent Review on 04/17/2014 14:01:07 MDT Print View

Respect to the author for putting the research and time into this article.

However it should not be called the "top" ultralight tent review - yes, some of those reviewed are great shelters, but far from the "top", the cream of the crop, of the UL shelter market.

For those ragging on the author about these being heavy shelters... not really sure myself what the author is trying to present... the title says "ultralight" yet the first introduction of the article states, "a review of the best superlight tents on the market" - so what is it... ultralight tents or superlight tents?

And for those who are interested: the worlds lightest fully enclosed solo shelter comparison does exist.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
"Half done is well begun." on 04/17/2014 20:06:36 MDT Print View

I agree with Tjaard, finish this article as Will Reitvelld would do, with two more articles on the "other" lightweight tents out there and a final fourth article with good comparison tables - i.e. separate tables for 2 person tents and solo tents.

Rent a big fan and do some "windworthy" comparisons on all tents.

Include prices.

Compare floor space AND interior volume.

Compare vestibule and door setups for space and ease of use.

Even a table for "suggested improvements" for each tent.

Tom Clark
(TomClark) - MLife

Locale: East Coast
Re: Top Ultralight Tent Review on 04/19/2014 20:11:57 MDT Print View

Adam said it well...
"1) the small selection of products from brands that are FAR from desirable to most people on this site, even though there are plenty of options the author could have chosen from
2) the lack of proper selection and definition of categories - 1 and 2p tents in the same review, choosing free-standing tents only, which are usually completely unnecessary.
3) lack of consistency in the language - seems like the author is either confused or just choosing to use "superlight" and "ultralight" when describing tents in the "same" category
4) lack of cottage brands
5) the perspective of these reviews is from a design standpoint, for obvious reasons - what we really need is more information about how it actually feels to do things in these tents... getting in and out, zippers, space in vestibules, condensation feedback, etc etc..."

Also as others noted, know your audience and don't claim the best tents unless you can back it up. It really sounds like a Backpacker blurb.

Really my biggest complaint was that it was written from a design perspective, not a performance perspective...think about that long and hard.

Tom

Wayne Norman
(wknorman) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Question about the dimensions in the review on 04/22/2014 14:09:44 MDT Print View

I know this is a late comment, but...I can't reconcile the dimensions given in the review with the advertised specs. The SuperMegaUL 1 is spec'd smaller in length, width, and height than the Obi Elite 1P. Here's the specs for the two tents:

http://www.nemoequipment.com/product/?p=Obi+Elite+1P

http://www.mountainhardwear.com/supermegaul-1-OU9649.html

The Obi Elite is larger in each dimension. Am I missing something? Having a table with measurements would have been very helpful.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Comments on "Top Ultralight Tent Review" on 04/22/2014 15:33:02 MDT Print View

Hello All,

First, thank you for taking the time to comment on the quality of this article.

In spite of a lot of heavy handed criticism, I am appreciative that some of you found at least a little bit of redeeming information provided by the author.

The breakdown in the system regarding the article's publication was with me. I did not have a chance to sufficiently review the article prior to its publication, which allowed both the article title, and some of its editorial content (a description of criteria, and what constituted the author's definition of "top ultralight tents" without considering what many of us here consider as "top ultralight tents), and styling (e.g., lack of a comparison table, verified weights, etc.). I apologize to you for not delivering the quality you expected in a review summary like this, and for not editing the headline appropriately.

That this article did not come from an established and active member of the BPL community - I'm ok with that. I'd like to open authorship up to anyone who wants to give it a shot. I'm appreciative of those of you who were sensitive to the fact that this was a first time author, and that he wasn't a member of our community, and were able to offer helpful feedback to him in a way that wasn't disparaging or discouraging.

As a result of this article and the feedback you gave, I am working with our Production Editor to tighten up our editorial review process, with my involvement occurring earlier in the process, in order to help authors be more successful here and help preserve high standards in the quality of our content.

Ryan

Robin B
(beckcommar)

Locale: NorCal
thanks on 04/22/2014 17:51:16 MDT Print View

Hey, as someone who offered criticism--particularly about the silence of the editorial team--I'd just like to officially say thank you for your response. It really does make a difference to know that you're paying attention and listening. I think bringing in new writers from outside the community is great, but clearly they will sometimes need help in order to connect with this audience. Looking forward to future content that'll make me re-up my membership for full access.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Comments on "Top Ultralight Tent Review" on 04/22/2014 19:33:35 MDT Print View

Why Ryan did you delete some remarks and not give a reason? At least Roger has the courtesy to do so.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
moderation on 04/23/2014 11:57:38 MDT Print View

Ken: Some of the comments were deleted because they were not relevant to the article's topic, and were instead directed at editorial process. I was fine with those comments but they don't belong here. There are a couple of forums in the Admin section where these topics could be better discussed aside from the editorial content of this article - which is the purpose of the Editor's Roundtable Forum.

Other comments were deleted because they simply communicated a lack of respect for people. There are ways to deliver criticism, and there are ways to deliver criticism with respect. There's a difference between discussing process in a way that is constructive and leads to positive engagement, and complaining in a negative or destructive way. Some posts met this criteria.

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Edited by ryan on 04/23/2014 13:20:58 MDT.