I think Ryan touched on my concerns. If we, as a community, reject categories and standards entirely, then others will co-opt them. I have read that Ron Moak is not expecting the BPL community to be big customers of his new packs, but he is still marketing them as SUL or UL. While Ron has been pretty clear in several posts and on his web page about the intended use of his new packs and his expected customer base, he is also trying to have it both ways in his marketing efforts. I can't blame him for that, that is smart marketing. As a lawyer, I also appreciate and admire his use of the word "technically" in his post on this thread. In the business, we call that a "weasel word." What is interesting about SMD right now is that their cuben shelters are great for SUL and UL kits. They have staked out 2 very different market segments with their shelters and new packs. Hopefully, Ron doesn't come out with a new generation of heavier "UL" or "SUL" shelters. My worry is that we end up with a market place full of "SUL" and "UL" gear that heavy, over designed, and mass marketed to low information consumers. I see Ron's move to heavier packs to be a real loss to the SUL and UL communities and hope it is a trend that does not continue.
PS - to all of those who want to reject and abandon SUL categories and definitions, why are you on the SUL forum so much?