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. Kirby
(Kirby805) - F
Re: Oh boy! on 04/20/2014 11:00:23 MDT Print View

Sorry, Chuck. Forgot to add the sarcasm font.

Charles G.
(Rincon) - M

Locale: Desert Southwest
Oh boy on 04/20/2014 12:34:10 MDT Print View

Thanks! When you find it tell me please.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: perche' lo posso fare. on 04/20/2014 16:53:26 MDT Print View

Ma invece dei sospiri o di scuotere la testa, se veramente sei confuso e non capisci di che stiamo parlando, facci la cortesia di chiedere una spiegazione. La pigrizia mentale e la disonesta' con la quale partecipi alla discussione, la violenza con la quale ti esprimi, forse dovuta a certi eccessi, sono fuori luogo e servono solo a dimostrare le tue limitazioni.



Spellcheck non funziona bene in un altra lingua ..

Edited by Kat_P on 04/20/2014 17:13:53 MDT.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: perche' lo posso fare. on 04/21/2014 09:17:03 MDT Print View

Interesting insight!^^^^

Dave T
(DaveT) - F
charles on 04/21/2014 11:22:23 MDT Print View

Charles,

You had to go and introduce actual facts and historical perspective into this, didn't you? That must have taken some thought and reason.

You perhaps don't realize that all you need to do to participate here is to post several internet memes related to guns/blacks/immigrants/guvment/freedom/'merica.

Anyway, proceed.

p.s. "dyslexic piglet with turrets..." I guess to wrestle them you first have to break down the fortifications with a trebuchet. Also, that disorder sounds suspiciously French, so perhaps we should rename it Freedom Disorder.

Edited by DaveT on 04/21/2014 13:58:56 MDT.

Michael L
(mpl_35) - MLife

Locale: The Palouse
similar case from last year on 04/21/2014 16:25:23 MDT Print View

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15602-federal-judge-rules-for-property-rights-smacks-down-abusive-feds

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/11/court-rebuffs-government-overreach-in-nevada/

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: similar case from last year on 04/21/2014 17:24:01 MDT Print View

hmmm... heritage.org... probably not an objective source

1 minute of googleing:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-john-birch-society-and-koch

the Hage case was reversed by the appeals court and the supreme court refused to hear it

the John Birch Society and Koch brothers were party to the appeal

The Koch brothers father was a founder of John Birch Society which "claims to identify with Christian principles, seeks to limit governmental powers, and opposes wealth redistribution, and economic interventionism. It opposes collectivism, totalitarianism, and communism. It opposes socialism as well, which it asserts is infiltrating US governmental administration." Opposed Civil Rights Bill.

Conservative William F Buckley denounced them as racist and far right, and they fell out of popularity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

It seems like they've come back today under a different name, although that organization still exists.

So, 1960s conservatives like William F Buckley seem like liberals today.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: similar case from last year on 04/21/2014 18:04:49 MDT Print View

"hmmm... heritage.org... probably not an objective source"

True. Neither is the OP's source, politicususa.

Michael L
(mpl_35) - MLife

Locale: The Palouse
Re: Re: similar case from last year on 04/21/2014 21:19:35 MDT Print View

Jerry,

I'd like to point out that the win in court (no matter what happened later) shows the issue isn't cut and dried. I have thoughts about both sides, but it isn't black and white. That has been my point all along.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: similar case from last year on 04/21/2014 22:11:34 MDT Print View

okay, you have a good point

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Apocalypse Cow (segment) on 04/22/2014 19:30:30 MDT Print View

This is going to be the tough part about giving up 24-hr cable news cycle ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W1SUt7Y7FSA

Ed. maybe a tad harsh at the very end.. but just a tad

Edited by hknewman on 04/23/2014 08:41:25 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Apocalypse Cow (segment) on 04/22/2014 19:40:51 MDT Print View

"Sean Hannity has now made Glenn Beck the voice of reason" : )

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Apocalypse Cow (segment) on 04/23/2014 08:24:35 MDT Print View

I'm glad someone posted that. It was hilarious!!!!


I do find it interesting that he claims he does not recognize the existence of the federal government, then goes around and waves the American flag and discussing the constitution.

I also find it very ironic that they were bragging about putting the women in front to take the brunt of the force (if it came to that) simply for TV. Sounds a little like al qaeda to me, doesn't it???

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Apocalypse Cow (segment) on 04/23/2014 10:43:31 MDT Print View

Yes Jennifer it sure does sound like that. His family has been using the landv since the 1940's .....hardly homesteading. The fact that he does not recognize the Fed. Govt. and yet waves an American flag makes him less credible.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot 'kay? What if those whacked out "patriots" were Latino or African Americans and they were drawing guns on the Feds.....do you think this would have ended that way? Also the Feds set a bad precedent by allowing this nuto's to walk free. Last I heard it is against the law to draw firearms on people...more importantly Fed Agents. Now these whacked out patriots will be doing this more. Jr. Johnv Wayne types

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
From the highly conservative Weekly Standard on 04/23/2014 20:29:16 MDT Print View

http://m.weeklystandard.com/articles/uncivil-disobedience_787040.html

Very well thought out and reasoned argument.

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
It would make a great book. on 04/23/2014 21:47:00 MDT Print View

Caution: Conspiratorial thoughts ahead. Discount at your own peril.

As the underground American Resistance Movement grows, against the force of an ever increasingly tyrannical and shadowy government, pockets of uprisings become more frequent, and increasingly violent. To believe this particular Agenda 21 battlefront has anything to do with grazing cows and burrowing turtles is to be blinded by media hype and led astray of the true issues at hand. Argue amongst yourselves all you like, it's precisely what they want.

Meanwhile, back on the ranch...

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Apocalypse Cow (segment) on 04/24/2014 07:27:53 MDT Print View

> Let's put the shoe on the other foot 'kay? What if those whacked out "patriots" were Latino or African Americans and they were drawing guns on the Feds.....do you think this would have ended that way?






Ta-Nehisi Coates is way ahead of ya/
Cliven Bundy and the Tyranny All Around Us

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Apocalypse Cow (segment) on 04/24/2014 08:29:08 MDT Print View

and of course Bundy is a bigot

http://gawker.com/nevada-rancher-conservative-hero-negroes-should-be-1566933606?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
For old tyme cotton pickin' too it seems .. on 04/24/2014 08:41:29 MDT Print View

A reporter got this quote from Bundy (registered Republican who is now giving daily new conferences), published yesterday:

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” ... Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas ",.... they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do....

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things,…” Source: New York Times (4/23/2014)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?hpw&rref=us&_r=0

Read it and weep. Wonder what kind of family life, free time, and hobbies he thought an African slave had in the antebellum South? Of course this from a "welfare rancher" . Please note: I do not have a problem if someone plays wants to play cowboy on the open range with a six-shooter or even Ms. Kitty in an old time saloon with a derringer in her garter - just should we be subsidizing this?

Currently many Republican politicians are now backpedaling support of Bundy or saying "no comment"

Nevada (R) Senator Heller has disavowed Bundy ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-racist_n_5204821.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

update: Rancher Bundy is toast (Sen. Rand Paul just slammed Clive Bundy's racist rant)

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/rand-paul-dean-heller-cliven-bundy-105982.html

ed: br, add

Edited by hknewman on 04/24/2014 09:35:36 MDT.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: For old tyme cotton pickin' too it seems .. on 04/24/2014 09:29:54 MDT Print View

but he has no shortage of "patriots" still supporting the vile man. As I have mentioned earlier there is an underlying feel of racism in the Tea Party. And yes, those same "patriots" have many of the same beliefs as the Tea Party.


Now watch Matthew and Kat defend........ 5 4 3 2 1....... BOOM