If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?
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Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F

Locale: norcal
If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 15:32:51 MDT Print View

So this year I'm about 15 lbs lighter thanks to lots of diet and exercise.

That's pretty much a whole pack and a week of food lighter!! So this is the best kind of ultralight ;)

Part of my goal was to feel better while on the trail but also so that I could add a *bit* more gear to improve my margin of safety and comfort.

I'm thinking of adding:

- personal locator beacon. This will be really helpful for some alaska trips and some longer wilderness trips.

- rain gear ... even if it's calling for clear skies. This way in an emergency, like if my tarp is destroyed, I can still avoid hypothermia

- larger tarp with doors... it's a bit overkill but I was in a somewhat bad wind storm last year and a larger tarp with doors would mean I could be pretty comfortable.

- perhaps a full length under quilt. I tend to run a bit cold so this would give me a good margin of error.

... what else would you guys add? Even if I go up 2 lbs, I'm still 13 lbs lighter :) ... so it's still a big win!!!

J Mag
(GoProGator) - F
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 16:03:49 MDT Print View

I would probably add some nice camera gear and a book/kindle. Also a larger double walled and/or freestanding tent depending on the situation.

Congrats on the weight loss though. I have to admit that I always find it a bit silly there are so many guys obsessed with shaving every ounce who could stand to lose a few pounds. Especially since losing just a few ounces from your pack can cost $300 but losing it from your belly is free :)

Ironically weightlifting is my first love so I will likely never be under 200 lbs at 6'2 even when I am at my leanest :(

Then again I see plenty of guys on here who are 6ft plus and 160 lbs! Now THAT is dedication to UL backpacking!

Another case of HYOH. Sorry to get off topic, please carry on.

Edit: Also the PLB is a good one. I don't normally venture outside of VA but anywhere near Alaska I would be carrying a PLB at a minimum.

Edited by GoProGator on 04/10/2014 16:06:58 MDT.

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Why? on 04/10/2014 16:07:28 MDT Print View

You worked hard to trim your list why dream up stuff to add. Add things if you need them or they add greatly to your enjoyment of the trip. If you feel you need the items you propose adding, take them. If something will greatly enhance your trip and the weight penalty is small enough take it.

I take what I think I need and if I add something extra it will be something like a fly rod or maybe a light musical instrument (I built a 7 ounce stick dulcimer for just that purpose). Those two combined are under a pound and I typically carry less food if I take the fly rod so it either saves weight or is a wash.

Edit:
I just reread your post and realized that you were talking about lost body weight not having trimmed your gear list. I find it strange to use that as a reason to carry more stuff.

BTW: Congrats and good work on the weight loss.

Edited by staehpj1 on 04/10/2014 16:12:18 MDT.

Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F

Locale: norcal
fitness... on 04/10/2014 16:08:00 MDT Print View

I'm probably going to do a writeup for the forum on how to easily trim up... that's what made it work for me. I made it almost brain dead simple.

Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F

Locale: norcal
Re: Why? on 04/10/2014 16:10:12 MDT Print View

Why? Because I want a margin of error. That's why I added rain gear for example. Same with the bigger tarp.

I want to see if I'm missing anything.

I'd rather not die in the wilderness :-P

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 16:13:31 MDT Print View

A high quality mid layer to keep you warm when you get stuck in a nasty storm and inevitably get wet... more of a shoulder season item though.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 16:14:38 MDT Print View

What about a lightweight sitting chair?

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Why? on 04/10/2014 16:14:50 MDT Print View

Maybe you need and should take the items you propose. I just don't get what it has to do with your weight loss. If you need them, you probably needed them before you lost weight.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Luxury Item on 04/10/2014 16:24:27 MDT Print View

I get the spirit of the OP to mean, "If I could add 2lbs but for other reasons I won't notice the difference, what would it be?"

I'd like to and will eventually get back into hammocking. The few times I have, albeit with a kludgy system, the hammock had a narcotic effect on me when I was sleeping. Arguably some of the best sleep I've ever had... until it came time to reposition the mattress I was trying to use as bottom insulation. At some point I'll get an underquilt and I'm sure that'll make all the difference in the world for me.

J Mag
(GoProGator) - F
Re: fitness... on 04/10/2014 16:25:11 MDT Print View

If you do write an article please let me know. I would be interested to read it.

After bodybuilding for the past 5 years I wouldn't call myself a weight loss "expert", but when cutting I drop my first 15 lbs in about 2 months or so :P

It is pretty simple... eat 500 calories less than your maintenance and lift heavy weight a few times a week.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: fitness... on 04/10/2014 16:28:13 MDT Print View

"After bodybuilding for the past 5 years..."

Well I'm no expert but by looking at your avatar, I think you need to spend less time on your ears. And less time spent begging at the table... that's not very dignified.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 16:35:48 MDT Print View

PLB's are good. I carry one for my hikes in Alaska. Hope to never use it...and that reminds me I am supposed to renew my registration for it.

I've added weight back to my gear in the past year, primarily for comfort.
-I went from a very light 1-1/2" x 20" mummy air mattress to a 4' x 25" air mattress- far more cushy.
-I added a camp chair. Sitting on the ground just wasn't comfortable and logs and large flat rocks required luck to find in the right spots.
-I added my Nook tablet. My backpacking mates often hit the hay earlier than I am ready for, so I spend time reading before going to sleep.

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
Re: Luxury Item on 04/10/2014 16:38:40 MDT Print View

Yeh, I get the idea fo adding a little redundancy and buffer with the new found "free weight". But...

Personally, I'd reserve a few ounces of that for a strictly "reward" item for the weight loss effort. Something like a Tenkara fishing rig, or a Kindle, or yes, even a *gasp* chair!

I think it's important for any kind of loss/quit program to have some kind of non-essential reward involved, even if it ends up being just temporary.

J Mag
(GoProGator) - F
Re: Re: Re: fitness... on 04/10/2014 16:44:02 MDT Print View

The ears were a real weakpoint when I started but you're right I probably went a little overboard there.

And begging is one of my vices but it helps me get my squats in so I let it slide.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 17:03:13 MDT Print View

A big ribeye and a couple beers.






In all seriousness, none of that stuff will make you safer. Knowledge and experience will make you safer.

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - M

Locale: Grand Canyon State
Another Chair Fan on 04/10/2014 17:36:48 MDT Print View

Sometimes I do take -- gasp -- a chair (my lightest free-standing one, from REI, is just under 2 lbs). Wrestling about whether to add one for the JMT (probably not, because of the *&^#% bear barrel).

Now that you're slimmer and fitter, I agree that you can probably carry a couple of extra luxuries without too much effort/fatigue, and if that's what you feel like doing, I say "great"!

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 17:55:01 MDT Print View

> ... what else would you guys add?
Chocolate maybe?

Cheers

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 18:05:15 MDT Print View

+1 on the chair.

2 lbs -- Quart of beer. Or maybe one pound of chocolate and a pint of beer.

Or bacon.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 18:38:40 MDT Print View

ah this is a great post!

first, huge congratz Kevin! I spent three years getting rid of 115 pounds - the goal I set for myself. Now I am trying to lose another 15-20!


So, if I could add two pounds of gear to my backpack, magically without having to actually carry those two pounds of gear, what would I take?? Hmmmmmmm.... fun question!

a taller tent - something I could stand up inside of and move around... a Perkins' Tent maybe :-D


oh, I know... water... like... I wanna carry 8 liters of water... that does not actually weigh 17.6 pounds!!

Edited by JohnAbela on 04/10/2014 18:40:42 MDT.

Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F

Locale: norcal
Re: Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 18:40:14 MDT Print View

> In all seriousness, none of that stuff will make you safer. Knowledge and experience will make you safer

How about that stuff AND knowledge and experience.

If you fall and break your leg and you're 400 miles away from civilization an emergency rescue sounds a lot better to me than JUST knowledge and experience. :)

Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F

Locale: norcal
Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 18:43:13 MDT Print View

I use a hammock which is far far far more comfortable than any chair :) ... it's literally just as comfortable as my office chair. Maybe more as I can sleep on it.

The ONE downside is that I don't eat in it... I'm afraid of spills which would mean having to pick up camp or in the worst case, having to throw out my hammock due to some permanent odor.

It would be nice to have a 'chair' hammock that's literally just enough material to sit in..

John Holmes
(pastyj) - F

Locale: North Central Florida
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 18:56:57 MDT Print View

I recently found myself in the same situation...after many years, I finally had trimmed both my pack and big arse down. Realized I could afford a few small luxuries. Here is how I splurged.
1. A larger tent - the Zpacks Duplex is a palace for 1, especially in the rain :) I actually saved 4 ounces going for this so...maybe it doesn't count.
2. An Xlite Large. Can't believe I made due for years with the regular size which really was just too small for me.
3. A Helinox Chair One. I don't always pack it, but on certain trips it is so damned luxurious I can barely stand it. Downside is having to fight off my hiking mates who didn't bring a chair.

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
additions on 04/10/2014 19:02:30 MDT Print View

I wouldnt add anything because I perceive I have "room to". I take what I need. Ive never found myself longing for any luxuries.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/10/2014 19:45:23 MDT Print View

The in thing, a hatchet.

















not.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: fitness... on 04/10/2014 20:20:35 MDT Print View

Kevin,

"going to do a writeup for the forum on how to easily trim up"

I'd like that.

I could use some info and motivation.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Taller Tent plus Chair on 04/10/2014 20:24:51 MDT Print View

Previous posts from others clarified it for me: chair plus a tent I can stand up in

Good idea for a post. Thought provoking.

Thanks.

K C
(KalebC) - F

Locale: South West
Lux gear on 04/10/2014 20:41:22 MDT Print View

For sure, my #1 choice would be a DSLR and an ultra wide lens, and a big fatty knife, 8oz of 12 year scotch, a large xtherm... Am I over yet?

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 20:53:23 MDT Print View

"It would be nice to have a 'chair' hammock that's literally just enough material to sit in."


hammock chair

Bushman Hammock Chair at Arrowhead Equipment. Scroll down.

Soul patch
(mtblack) - F
Re: Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 21:08:02 MDT Print View

My god, you have beautiful legs.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 21:12:01 MDT Print View

Clean your glasses Matt.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 21:13:05 MDT Print View

"My god, you have beautiful legs."

Why thank you, only that's not me. Pic from the Arrowhead site.

Soul patch
(mtblack) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 21:18:18 MDT Print View

I need to stop putting off the bifocals.

Kevin Burton
(burtonator) - F

Locale: norcal
Re: Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/10/2014 21:21:55 MDT Print View

Actually.. I think that nails it. I hadn't seen THAT design of hammock-chair before ... though I've seen others. If I use the material to double as a stuff sack / pillow then I'm game and can do this without much more weight.

I can re-use my hammock straps but that would mean that I can't use the chair / hammock at the same time.

Gordon Gray
(GordonG) - F

Locale: Front Range, CO
couch? on 04/10/2014 22:27:22 MDT Print View

I wouldn't mind that hammock chair instead of my couch in my tv room. It looks perfect.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
shoes on 04/10/2014 22:37:33 MDT Print View

more protective camp shoes. I use dinky flip-flops :(


And a lounging around hammock.

Owen McMurrey
(OwenM) - F - M

Locale: SE US
Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/11/2014 03:32:58 MDT Print View

I always have free pounds, as my pack weight has dropped another 4# since reaching the point that I don't even notice my pack any more. Further lightening and simplifying everything remains an ongoing process that is kind of a hobby unto itself rather than fulfilling any real need as far as backpacking goes.

A knife and saw for fire when I want one are really the only extra gear I'll add unless combining activities, but sometimes I'll take a couple pints of my favorite sweet tea, or some apples and packages of that Jif chocolate silk for snacks.
For short overnighters where I play a lot, having light gear sometimes means being able to bring wetsocks and watershoes, even wetsuit pants, or heavier pack and rope with gear for rappels without feeling weighed down. I don't really keep track of pack weight any more, but doubt it broke 30# either time I carried a 150' 11mm static line to rap waterfalls this past summer.

Edited by OwenM on 04/11/2014 03:34:14 MDT.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/11/2014 05:50:24 MDT Print View

My kit is dialed in. I don't need to add or subtract gear. Don't need to buy more.

If I want luxury I go camping with with my wife in my camper.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 04/11/2014 07:33:40 MDT Print View

OOOOOO.....a chair. yes, a chair. It is so very uncomfortable for me to sit on the ground - i really, really need something to lean back on and frequently the tree or rock just doesn't cut it.

And beer.

A chair and an crisp IPA, or good stout (when the weather is chilly) would literally make my life perfect. Who needs personal protection and safety?! Blech. Beer.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
The benefits of a LW newbie on 04/11/2014 10:05:21 MDT Print View

I'm not close to UL - trying but not there - but am by comparison to my scout troop brethren certainly LW. Had one scoutmaster ask if I was sure I had everything I needed since I was packed in a 65L REI Flash with not a single thing hanging on the outside "beverly hillbillies" style. even had a bit of room to spare. I'm not sure what he'd have asked if I showed up with a setup like many here use!

Some of that is preference (I still use a double wall shelter - albeit typically a fairly light one - Big Agnes SL1 - which I'm just used to and the move to a single wall shelter like a tarptent doesn't save enough weight to justify the cost ... yet ... full tarp is tough for a guy just starting to backpack a year or so ago), some of that is situational since I backpack with scouts so I do tend to carry a bit more than I might otherwise carry - a slightly bigger FAK, often a bit of extra food, etc... as one of the adults on a trip we are the last safety net, although it is expected that scouts exhaust other scout resources before turning to us. On a different note - I do often take a chair (Alite Monarch 1.5lbs roughly) as we tend to get to camp early to mid afternoon since we accomodate a range of ages and abilities so distances don't go beyond 5 miles each way that often. Since scouts are supposed to help scouts as an adult there is a fair amount of potential downtime so a chair becomes less of a luxury and more of a necessity.

If I added anything it would be a SPOT for personal use (the Troop already carries one on all trips).

christopher smead
(hamsterfish) - MLife

Locale: hamsterfish
A marmot on 04/11/2014 12:17:29 MDT Print View

If I had room to carry 2lbs, I'd use it to catch and carry home my own pet Marmot.

Ben Smith
(bsmith_90) - F - M

Locale: Epping Forest
2 more pounds on 04/13/2014 12:53:41 MDT Print View

I've asked my girlfriend for a "Perkins" tent for christmas and birthdays every year since we met, still no luck.

I don't know your current system but I'd give pillows a try if I had the spare weight.
I just don't want to throw money at something that I have always managed without in the past.

Aaron Croft
(aaronufl) - M

Locale: Alaska
2 lbs on 04/13/2014 21:26:59 MDT Print View

Only on BPL can people not fathom carrying an extra 2 lbs, even if it just a "what if" thread. Geez.

Anywho, I'd bring along more microbrews, of course. Wait...I already do that.


...probably a lightweight camping chair. That would nice.

Edited by aaronufl on 04/13/2014 21:30:02 MDT.

David Ayers
(djayers) - F
Re: If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add? on 04/14/2014 10:09:05 MDT Print View

I'm not UL and bring the 'needs' like raingear, comfortable sleep gear, etc. So I'd probably bring some 'toys':
Camera
Book
Rumrunner Flask (with 151) and sugar free Koolaid
Monocular (2 oz)
A few sheets of paper printed with tree/flower ID info
Sit pad (doubles as pillow topper) (3-4 oz)

Ben Smith
(bsmith_90) - F - M

Locale: Epping Forest
table on 04/14/2014 11:20:57 MDT Print View

I just saw a a helinox table on a UK shops online store, maybe I'd take that and one of their nifty little chairs.

Just over 2lb for the two of them.

Nothing wrong with getting your kit down to a nice, low weight then using your old, slightly larger (only slightly heavier) pack and taking some luxuries!

Alex Wallace
(FeetFirst) - F

Locale: Northern California
Congrats! Now go get a warmer bag... on 04/14/2014 12:59:45 MDT Print View

Congratulations on the weight loss, Kevin. You may find that you now need more insulation to keep warm. A couple of years ago I lost 20 lbs. to get back down to my preferred weight (160 lbs.). I found that I chilled easier and needed more insulation when at rest. Maybe a half pound for a warmer sleeping bag and the rest for fresh fruit & veggies in your food bag.

John Holmes
(pastyj) - F

Locale: North Central Florida
Re: Congrats! Now go get a warmer bag... on 04/14/2014 13:08:27 MDT Print View

+1

Was really surprised that after dropping from 260 lbs to 200 how much colder I was when sleeping. Not much difference when hiking, but suddenly had to wear more clothes in my bag. Which is the route I would suggest rather than getting a warmer bag. Clothes are useful 24 hrs a day were as a bag only at rest.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Re: "If you had 2 more lbs for free, what gear would you add?" on 05/13/2014 20:41:23 MDT Print View

Maybe Doug should add a suntan to his wish list -- no extra weight either :)