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Gary Pikovsky
(gosha007) - F - M

Locale: New Hampshire White Mountains
Shelter on 04/02/2014 07:29:21 MDT Print View

John - no issues with current shelter. I won't be camping in the 100+ mph wind, just hiking in it. At night, I would come down to the trees. If it's 100mpj above trees, it's only about 20-30 in the trees.

Plus, even if we found the shelter that can survive the 100 mile winds I don't think you would be able to sleep inside due to the flapping and the noise.

What about the rest of the setup?

Marc Cryer
(18Rabbit) - M

Locale: New England/Quebec
Planning seems appropriate if you keep moving on 04/05/2014 14:33:38 MDT Print View

I think your gear seems appropriate assuming you won't be staying above the treeline too long and you keep moving and are ready to head down and out if things don't work out well. I've done a fair amount of cold weather hiking in frigid environments and to be honest I've never managed to do it SUL. Are you traveling alone? I'll also have to admit the most frightening experience I've ever had was not being able to stay warm on a solo hike in the Sierras above Fresno in the winter of 2003 or 04, can't remember the year but despite packing a ton of gear gear, having been out on similar trips numerous times, and being in relatively good health I just couldn't keep warm and had to bug out and down as quickly as I could. Still can't explain why I couldn't keep my core temperature up but my take away lesson was never say never on a solo trip; always be ready to head back. That's all obvious advice though. Hope it works out well.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: LIST: SUL in Everest-like weather possible? on 04/06/2014 19:59:50 MDT Print View

Gary, what is your actual plan? and when? these things kinda make a difference up there. there isn't a lot of "below treeline" The observation building and tourist buildings are closed in the winter, Lake of the Clouds is closed in winter.

http://www.newenglandtrailconditions.com/nh/ dunno if you know about the trail condition site.

ROBERT TANGEN
(RobertM2S) - M

Locale: Lake Tahoe
Your gear is LIGHT on 04/07/2014 18:56:46 MDT Print View

The gear you list is some of the lightest on this planet. I'm NO expert, but I don't think you can reduce weight safely.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: LIST: SUL in Everest-like weather possible? on 04/09/2014 20:54:42 MDT Print View

Conditions: Extreme winter, heavy wind around 100ph, temps -5F to 25F, windchill -50 to -75f at times
Altitude: 6000ft
Length:1-2 days

"Overnights below treeline in non-windy spots"

No guarantee that in white-outs, extreme weather, etc. you can safely get down to below treeline.

SUL? UL?

Sounds like a potential Darwin Award to me.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: LIST: SUL in Everest-like weather possible? on 04/09/2014 21:01:08 MDT Print View

Remember SUL has no defined weight definition now that Ryan says so. Could be 50 pounds of stuff if that is the minimum required to carry you through in comfort and safety.


http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/sul-mindset-jordan.html#.U0YKA15d1nE

Edited by kthompson on 04/09/2014 21:04:32 MDT.

Gary Pikovsky
(gosha007) - F - M

Locale: New Hampshire White Mountains
Regarding weather on 04/09/2014 21:40:16 MDT Print View

Yes, during white-outs it could be extremely difficult to orient. I wouldn't try to focus on SUL in conditions like this if I didn't have a good grasp of local terrain. People have, indeed, died up there in winter and summer, largely because if hypothermia.

If a total white out does happen, it doesn't last that long. If it does, there a number of massive boulders in which you could hide from the wind. With 0F sleeping gear/bivy and full clothing with a Nunatak parka and down pants, you can get by overnight even in -15F temps.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Regarding weather on 04/09/2014 21:54:32 MDT Print View

If a total white out does happen, it doesn't last that long... except when it does last a long time. If it does, there is a number of massive boulders in which you could hide from the wind... except in the areas where there are no boulders. The Alpine Garden Trail comes to mind.

Anecdote: On the first time I climbed Mount Washington, I got an early start, got to the summit, shot a photo, and started down immediately. I reached timberline as the storm was hitting, so I reached the bottom safely and drove home. There was a stranger who had started from the bottom about an hour later than I had, so he got up near the summit and got pinned down out in the open when the storm hit. He was lucky enough to call 911 and reach the emergency dispatcher, so a rescue was called despite the terrible conditions. The rescue snow cat came up the road and found the stranger still pinned down, so they scooped him up and got him to the hospital.

Now, I'm guessing here, but if the storm hit before his call, and then the storm was still blowing after rescue got there, it must have been 2-4 hours minimum. Oh, well, what's a little frostbite?

--B.G.--

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Regarding weather on 04/10/2014 07:06:47 MDT Print View

agree Bob.. the entire north face going down to Lake of the clouds is all low rocks and gets hammered with wind.

He ignored my question of an actual plan with bailout plan so it seems like a lot of talk with out any action. it won't happen this year as it's turning into slush and probably monorail season soon.

I honestly tell people that the Presi's are better as a day hike. any time of year. Unless you're going to spend $$ for huts then it is much easier to do a day hike than overnight. There is just nowhere to stay up there and the extra weight of gear slows you down.

Gary Pikovsky
(gosha007) - F - M

Locale: New Hampshire White Mountains
Re: Re: Re: Regarding weather on 04/10/2014 08:14:23 MDT Print View

Jake,

I'm sorry, but I don't think I ignored your question. My main point was - in a whiteout, you're in a bad situation, wether or not you're SUL. With the stuff I'm taking you can easily spend a night up there if you are out of the wind. If you are not SUL and don't get out of the wind, you're in the same bad situation b/se no simple tent can tolerate such wind speeds. In any situation you need to camp in a protected area or below treeline and know the conditions and the area very well before spending the night.

I personally spent a few night up on Washington during winter storms. Wasn't very smart, but it is what it is.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Re: Re: Re: Regarding weather on 04/10/2014 10:25:36 MDT Print View

I asked what your plan was. Where are you going to, from, staying?

i just skipped carrying much of anything and did Presi in a day and Pemi in a day during the summer ;)

Gary Pikovsky
(gosha007) - F - M

Locale: New Hampshire White Mountains
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Regarding weather on 04/10/2014 11:13:27 MDT Print View

@Jake - Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, President in a day is great in the summer, esp in sunny weather. I've done a winter Presi traverse in one day with some friends. That was probably the hardest and the most taxing thing I've ever done. We did it in 14 hours and my feet were bloody from the plastic boots. Couldn't walk for a day after... That was with about 25lbs. Ever since I wanted to go and do Presies in SUL fashion. Much less taxing on your feet.

This time the plan is to go from Pinkham to a camp by Jefferson and then go back. Going for two days.

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
Presidential traverse (White Mtns, NH) escape routes. on 04/10/2014 13:22:58 MDT Print View

Here's a very useful list of escape routes for a presidential traverse. Keep in mind that people have been trapped while knowing the exact bearing to follow to get below treeline because the wind was too strong to allow travel in that direction.
http://www.chauvinguides.com/presitraverse/presiescapes.pdf

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Presidential traverse (White Mtns, NH) escape routes. on 04/10/2014 13:55:48 MDT Print View

"wind was too strong"

You know the wind is too strong when you can't even get up to crawl.

Been there, done that.

--B.G.--

Gary Pikovsky
(gosha007) - F - M

Locale: New Hampshire White Mountains
Super windy and cold SUL on 04/10/2014 15:28:18 MDT Print View

So any SUL gear tips for winter and shoulder season Presies?

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Super windy and cold SUL on 04/10/2014 17:57:38 MDT Print View

if you say so. i don't like being cold so it all sounds bad to me. i stick with day hike/snowshoes in the winter.

looks like Sphinx Col would be your best bet for a campsite.
http://www.chauvinguides.com/presitraverse/presicampguide.htm