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kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 03/23/2014 13:37:36 MDT Print View

Hello,
I am new to BPL but have been browsing the forums for a while now. Unfortunatlly I bought all my gear before I was aware of weights and within the past two years. So I'm trying not to replace items if necessary.

I'll be hiking Rainier this june and this is my list so far.

We'll be sharing a rope, my tent, and my partner's white gas stove (MSR XGK)

My tent came with whimpy summer tent stakes so I'm looking for recommendations for good winter stakes.

Sleeping bag (depending on weather):
Marmot Pinnacle 15 – 2lb 8oz
Stuff sack – 2oz
Marmot Helium 0 - 2lb 12oz
Stuff sack - .8oz

Closed Cell Sleep Pad – 14.6oz
Thermarest – 21.5oz (Will Omit)
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Sleeping Bags
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Sleep Pads

Tent
Bibler Eldorado 2p 4 season
Vestibule – 22oz (Dependent on weather)
Vest. Poles – 5.7oz
Vest Stakes (3)
Tent Poles – 13.5oz
Tent Stkes (6)
Guy Lines – 1.1oz
Tent Body – 52.5oz
.Tent
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Clothing

Big Puffy MH Phantom – 14.5oz
Lightweight Puffy – Patagonia UL – 7.2oz (Weather Depending)
Shell – REI Something Soft Shell – 16.4oz
Midweight – Patagonia R1 – 10.4oz
Base Shirt – Smartwool Longsleeve hood – 8oz
(or UA poly t-shirt – 3.6oz Weather Depending)
Stretchy soft shell pants – TNF – 8.6oz
Base long johns – Smartwool – 6.7oz
Rain Coat - MH Ghost Whipserer - 1.8oz (not sure if I need this?)
Socks – Wool 3.1oz x2
Gators - 7.1oz
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Clothing
.Mid Layers
,pants and rain coat
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Fleece Hat – 1.7oz (Weather Depending)
Thin wool gloves – 1.3oz
Ski Gloves – 7.4oz
Overgloves – 6.9oz (Weather Depending)
Balaclava Fleece – 3.1oz
Ski Goggles – 4.4oz (Weather Depending)
Stuff sack - .6oz
Glacier Goggles – 1.1oz
White case – 1.5oz

I don't like the balaclava and am open to suggestions

.Hats and Gloves

Crampons – 32.2oz
Ice Axe – 13.7oz
Helmet Petzel Elios – 12.2oz
Snow Shovel – 25.6oz
Boots - La sportive nepal - 30.41oz

I'd like to get the Petzel Metor helmet (7.9oz) but ugh...$110

.Climbing

Snow Picket w/Biner – 15.7oz
Harness BD Couloir – 8.1oz
Crevasse Rescue Gear – 1lb 1.6ozz

.Crevasse Gear

Ten Essentials
BD Headlamp – 3.9oz
Knife Leatherman squirt – 2oz
Compass Suunto – 2.6oz
First Aid – 1.9ozv

.ten essentials

Personal Things – 5.2oz

These can easily be reduced I'm sure

.Personal Things

Cooking
Water Bottle Coozie – 5.6oz (Weather Depending)
Mug Snowpeaks 400 – 2.5oz
Spoon REI - .6oz
TI Stoic 1.3L Pot and Lid – 7.1oz
Stuff Sack - .7oz
2L Platypus – 1.4oz
32oz Gatorade Bottle
Meal Coozie - .5oz

The pot might be a tad to small for melting snow, but I'll never need a larger pot other than this trip, so can't justify buying a new one.

.cooking

Packs
BD Epic 45L – 4lb 1.4oz
Osprey Xenia 85L – 5lb 4oz

So I can hardly fit everything into the 45L, but the 85L is too big. If I can find a reasonable priced pack I'd be interested in suggestions, otherwise i'll just use the 85L. I might be able to save some weight by removing the lid?

.packs

Thanks everyone for looking! And sorry about the dog, she has a bad habit of standing right in the middle of my gear

Edited by buckie06 on 03/24/2014 21:11:32 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 03/23/2014 13:55:38 MDT Print View

You might be able to get by with the small cook pot for snow melting, but it won't be very efficient. The smallest snow melting pot that I've ever used was 2L. For a stove platform, you want a piece of Masonite about 10 inches square or larger. Plus aluminum foil.

For snow camping, you probably want six or more snow stakes. I recommend SMC snow stakes, about nine inches long, aluminum with holes in them. REI sells them for about $1.95 each. Additionally, you might want to have one big bombproof anchor for the tent. That would be either an aluminum picket or an aluminum fluke with about six feet of strong cord.

That would be an excellent place for a GPS receiver, but you have to know how to use it.

--B.G.--

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 03/23/2014 14:38:44 MDT Print View

You are going to hike around the mountain or climb it? There will still be deep snow in June if hiking. Looks like you are prepared for that. We had a light snowpack until the last month and then it made up for lost time.

It could be wet, so don't skimp on hard shells-- you might never take them off. The weather comes off the Pacific between the gap in the coastal range and smacks right into Rainier, ergo the world record snowfalls.

cascadeclimbers.com is a great place to get local Washington info, as well as nwhikers.net.

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 03/23/2014 15:57:19 MDT Print View

HERE is Alena Lee's gear list for Mount Rainier , she went in July of 2009.

Edited by annapurna on 03/23/2014 15:59:28 MDT.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Summit on 03/23/2014 17:38:31 MDT Print View

I will be summit-ing Rainier via Emmons Glacier. First day fly in and hike in to base camp, second day is crevasse practice, third day is the summit bid and hike out. Four is extra rain day.

Edited by buckie06 on 03/23/2014 17:43:39 MDT.

James Couch
(JBC) - M

Locale: Cascade Mountains
Ranier Gear list comments on 03/23/2014 21:54:28 MDT Print View

Kristen - buy one of these: http://www.rei.com/product/401068/open-country-4-quart-pot-with-lid#reviewsTab 4 quart aluminum pot, 1 lb, $17.95 - well worth the time it will save you melting snow. There is also a 2Q pot, but 4 is really a lot better.

Here are some snow anchors as well: http://www.rei.com/product/725165/rei-snow-and-sand-tent-anchors#reviewsTab

(bring regular tent stakes as well, you may be setting up on either snow or earth.)

If the weather forecast is for decent weather you might consider leaving the vestibule behind. It would be nice to have if the weather craps out though.

A few tips to get the weight and bulk down and some gear suggestions -

Bring the lightest sleeping bag you own and sleep in all your clothing. It will also save you time in the morning getting ready to go.

Unless you tent to sleep cold, just bring the closed cell pad, skip the thermarest.

for clothing - my preference is to do baselayer, softshell top & bottom, lightweight puffy and a rain jacket (mostly to block wind) - watch the weather forecast and decide if you really need the heavier puffy. Extra socks are well worth the weight. Bring a THIN hat/balaclava (Ibex, smartwool, or capeline) you can wear under your helmet.

I would leave the ski goggles, they are just likely to fog up anyway. I would leave behind the overgloves.

You can cut the crevasse rescue gear down some, but I don't see any prusik setup in there. You can get by without a snowshovel, but it does make digging tent platforms a lot quicker. I usually do without myself.

Be sure to take fresh batteries, and possibly a spare set for the headlamp.

Personally would leave behind the deodorant, but bring hand sanitizer. Many people who get sick in the mountains do so from contamination on their hands not giardia, crypto, ect. Be sure to bring TP. Bring the highest SPF sunscreen you can find, and make sure it is less than a year old. You won't need the aquamira as all of your water will come from snow melting.

I would leave bottle cozie behind as well.

As for packs, if you work with your partner you may be able to have them carry the bulkier items so that you can get everything into the 54L pack, but for Rainer, something in between usually works better. If you do wind up with the 85L pack at least it will be easy to pack.

Have a great trip, hopefully the weather will cooperate, June can go almost any way weather wise on Rainier. The Emmons is a beautiful route, enjoy!

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
thanks on 03/24/2014 20:19:04 MDT Print View

Jim,
thanks for the comments. You're correct that I have a lot of extra layers. What I've shown is my setup for extreme cold. Once I get closer to June I'll have a better idea of the weather and should be able to shed some layers, loose the hat/gloves/etc. For example if it'll be cold enough to need the water bottle coozie.

Thanks for the other tips, I'll re-evaluate my list and include some things.



Does anyone have recommendations for a pack between 45L-85L ?

James Couch
(JBC) - M

Locale: Cascade Mountains
Packs on 03/24/2014 22:10:15 MDT Print View

You are welcome Kristen.

Take a look at the Osprey Variant 52, and the CCW (Cold Cold World) Chernobyl or Chaos if you are looking primarily for climbing packs. The wild Things Andinista is a great pack, big but lightweight and can be downsized to two different sizes by using the compresion zippers. If you can find a Wild Things IceSac they are great climbing packs (still regret selling mine.)

The Osprey Aura 65 and the new Osprey Exos 58 are also worth a look. Some of the Mammut packs look interesting, but I don't have any real experience with them.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Packs on 03/25/2014 12:45:20 MDT Print View

Thanks Jim, my friend has the Osprey Varent and likes it. However, the BD Epic 45L that I have is a climbing pack. Thus besides this trip I wouldn't have a need for another climbing dedicated pack.

I'd like to get away from the heavy over-featured Ospreys and try something else. I'm thinking of getting a light weight pack that I would use for Rainier and other 5-7 day summer backpacking trips around Colorado. I see a lot of people like the Zpacks around here, would that be a good choice?

rOg w
(rOg_w) - F

Locale: rogwilmers.wordpress
deleted on 03/25/2014 12:55:48 MDT Print View

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Edited by rOg_w on 04/02/2014 05:46:36 MDT.

Sean B
(FastPacker) - MLife
Pack on 04/07/2014 20:28:55 MDT Print View

Consider using the thermarest instead of the foam for its packability. The gear might then fit into the smaller pack or a zpacks type pack if it used less volume saving more weight. A neoair takes that idea to the extreme. The coozie and vestibule are also targets for volume reduction.

Only way to materially reduce pack weight here is expensive. It's always the big three:
Firstlight instead of bibler - 2lbs
Any 1lb 30degree bag - 2lb
Frameless backpack - 3lbs

7lb saved for a lot of money and you need to be comfortable with the risks of a lighter bag and less tent.

Edited by FastPacker on 04/07/2014 20:31:09 MDT.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
CCF on 04/08/2014 22:33:29 MDT Print View

Thanks for the comments Sean,
wouldn't I want to keep the CCF pad and ditch the thermarest? isn't closed cell pretty much mandatory for camping on snow to keep the cold coming up from the snow?

And the foam pad I had strapped to the outside of the smaller pack so removing it would not solve my space problem. I think removing the thermarest will allow for much more space, if I have my partner carry the tent and I carry the stove/fuel maybe everything will fit. doubtful though....

Sean B
(FastPacker) - MLife
Therm on 04/09/2014 19:21:15 MDT Print View

Steve House used a plain old thermarest on his nanga parbat expedition...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkmYiwbZWg

And I've used one in -25 *f on snow in Minnesota and was pretty cold inside of 2 sleeping bags. This was 15 years ago in Boy Scouts.

I'm not a fan of strapping the pad to the outside. It's always in the way and makes it hard to lay down the pack. But I'd rather do that than the bigger bag.

Is the sleeping bag is the space culprit? Have you used a compression stuff stack? Cuts the space of traditional bags way down. Investing in a UL bag would do wonders. [You could sell both your bags and buy one 20* that weighs 20oz and takes up 1/3 the space in your pack.]

Also you can separate the poles from the tent body so that the tent conforms to the bottom of the pack and the poles slip down the side of the pack.

I'm clearly really against giant mountaineering bags. Mine is an older dyneema zpacks blast 32. The main compartment is 40L and I'm stuffed to the max for multiday mountaineering trips.

James Couch
(JBC) - M

Locale: Cascade Mountains
TAR vs CCF on 04/09/2014 20:49:44 MDT Print View

One or the other will do fine for Rainier for you. On the standard routes there is no issue with carrying the CCF pad on the outside. Unless you sleep cold you really don't need a super warm bag. I have typically used 40-32 degree bags and closed cell foam on most of my Rainier trips. Unless you really have use for both of the bags you currently own you might consider selling one and using the money to purchase lighter bag. I typically use a bag in the 50 liter range on Rainier so with a little work you should really be able to get everything into the 45.

Jeff Jeff
(TwoFortyJeff) - F
Re: Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 04/09/2014 21:19:46 MDT Print View

The 15 degree bag will be plenty up to one of the high camps. I would want more than a closed cell foam pad since you'll be sleeping on a cold cold glacier (probably).

The vestibule won't be necessary.

Take a real waterproof shell jacket.

I won't comment on layering since that seems to vary a lot between individuals.

Take all the gloves/mittens you can carry.

You could probably ditch the reverso and use a munter if you actually need a real belay.

Everything should be able to fit into the 45L pack.

Jeff Jeff
(TwoFortyJeff) - F
Re: Re: Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 04/09/2014 21:23:49 MDT Print View

If you want a lighter pack, you would be hard pressed to find a better balance of lightweight and capacity than the BD Speed packs. These are only slightly lighter than the Epic pack though, so it might not be a good use of money.

As for the pad, I like an R value of 5 or more under my torso. I use a full length thermarest (compresses down nicely) and a 3/4 length foam pad. Then I use my pack under my feet. I like a full length foam pad, but they are just too bulky.

M G
(drown) - F - MLife

Locale: Shenandoah
Ground Insulation on snow on 04/09/2014 22:02:44 MDT Print View

Keep the thermarest. Get a thin 1/8 to go underneath it. Lawson has some at a good price.

I once spent two nights at high elevation sleeping on only a ridgerest in a WM ultralight. Woke up both mornings with ice under me in the bottom of my bag and in the ridges of the pad. A ridgerest alone is not enough insulation on snow. I think R4-5 should be a minimum for sleeing comfortably on snow.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Another Pack Idea on 04/09/2014 22:43:56 MDT Print View

The Exped Lighting 60 might be a good pack to check out. Women's versions are often on sale for better deals. The normal price is $250 which is a bit pricy.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Pack space on 04/10/2014 22:04:31 MDT Print View

The sleeping bag is definitely taking up a ton of space in the 45L pack, also the shovel. My 15 degree bag is about 16"x7" in the stuff sack. I do not have a compression sack so can't speak to how small it can pack, I can squeeze it down to 10"x7" with my hands.

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Here's all of my gear, assuming I carry the stove/fuel/pot and rope, my partner carries the tent. This is without ANY food, and it is just about full. I'm guessing I could fit one or two day's worth of food max.

I feel like I'm ever so close with this pack, I can justify either buying a new pack or a new sleeping bag. I do need the 0 degree for winter camping so no dice on selling it. I'm wondering if a 30 degree will be warm enough on Rainier, and small enough to make everything fit in the 45L

I think I'm going to keep the thermarest and get a 1/8" CCF pad. since the foam pad is on the outside of my pack it really isn't taking up space, just weight.


thanks every I really appreciate all the help! I like the idea of ditching the vestibule, people who have climbed rainier, would I be ok without it?

Also, Jeff, or anyone else, you recommended an actual rain jacket; would the Houdini work? Or can you recommend something else? I don't have any experience hiking in the PNW weather.

Edited by buckie06 on 04/10/2014 22:25:29 MDT.

whitenoise .
(whitenoise) - F
Re: pack space on 04/10/2014 22:55:12 MDT Print View

Jim's suggestions are good. I would definitely take the 45L and cram it all in. You should buy a compression sack for the 15 degree bag and take it. Unlike a lot of Rainier trips I've done, it sounds like you'll be camping for at least 3 days. This means sleep is important, so bring the more comfortable sleeping gear, even if it means it's slightly heavier. Nothing worse than being exhausted on summit day. Only you know what comfort level you need.

I wouldn't bring the vestibule; it's nice to have but definitely not necessary (never had one on my climbs). I'd bring either a wind shell or hard shell, not both. If you can't choose your weather window, then you should bring the hard shell just in case.

Looks like things are as light as you can get them, but I actually think your 45L looks perfect size fully loaded.

Have fun!

James Couch
(JBC) - M

Locale: Cascade Mountains
Re: Pack space on 04/10/2014 23:24:44 MDT Print View

You are almost there! A compression bag will definitely help with the bag situation. You do not need the vestibule, it is nice to have, but not a necessity by any means.

Consider leaving the shovel behind, again nice to have but not necessary. if you do bring it, I would carry it on the outside of the pack. I pretty much only carry a shovel on Rainier in the winter and early spring, more for Avy conditions than anything else.

With the shovel gone and a compression sack you should have room for your food.

A 30 degree down bag would give you a lot of room in the pack. If you don't sleep to cold it should be adequate for June. If it gets cold, just sleep in your clothes. That is my standard procedure for Rainier, usually a 32-40 degree bag and I sleep in my clothes. Saves time getting going in the morning.

You will want a real rain jacket on Rainier in June, if the weather gets bad the Houdini isn't going to cut it. You will want a full on hard-shell jacket. Even just to protect from the wind on the summit day.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Pack on 04/11/2014 09:08:35 MDT Print View

Thanks Jim,
I'll shop around for a compression sack for my current 15degree bag. Ditch the vestibule, get a thin 1/8 CCF pad, and will swap out the MHW Ghost jacket with a rain jacket.

The shovel is more for digging a tent platform and camp area. One shovel for the both of us should be ok, or do you think this is not needed?

Getting a lighter 30degree bag is an option. However I do sleep cold (you men have it easy!) I've used the 15degree for my colorado summer backpacks and have been comfortable in it, but typically sleep in just a t-shirt and long johns. So I'm not sure how much usage I'd get out of the 30degree after this trip.

What kind of temperatures at night can we expect at the end of june? Also, what about daytime temperatures?

Also, after Rainier we plan to make a summit attempt of Mt Hood, would this same gear setup work for Hood?

Thanks everyone! I'm getting excited!

James Couch
(JBC) - M

Locale: Cascade Mountains
Re: Pack on 04/11/2014 10:03:26 MDT Print View

Average low temps at camp will typically reach freezing (30-32 degrees) but can be warmer, or more importantly colder. If you sleep cold I would say with your existing bag, whichever one packs smaller.

The camp areas are relativly flat and by June many tent platforms will already be dug. If you need to did a platform it is easy to do with your ice axe and boots, but a shovel is somewhat quicker. In Over 20 trips on Rainier I have only carried a shovel a few times outside winter, it really is not needed. If you do take a shovel, one is enough.

Everything you have will do fine for Hood. Most people do Hood in a single day without an overnight camp, but there are great camps at Illumination Rock, well worth spending the night for the experience alone.

Jeff Jeff
(TwoFortyJeff) - F
Re: Rainier Gear List - WITH PHOTOS! on 04/11/2014 22:38:56 MDT Print View

Overnight lows in the 20s seem pretty common up high, even in the summer. However, you'll be getting up around midnight or so, far from the coldest part of the night. A bag that is comfy down to freezing will be fine if you sleep in your clothes. Even better with two people in a small 4 season tent. Just make sure you have a lot of insulation below you.

What is your schedule like? The vestibule will be nice if you have to wait out a storm or if you have a layover day.

I practically live in my Houdini for spring-fall (actually, winter too) but I would not be going up rainier without some sort of waterproof jacket. The houdini isn't even close. You probably won't need it, but it would be very bad if you did need one and you didn't have one.

The PNW has surprisingly stable weather in the summer. There is little rain. I have a Rab Pulse for trips where I really don't think I will need a rain jacket (Latok Alpine and Drillium). I use a Rab eVent jacket if there is any real chance of needing to wear it. The Patagonia Alpine Houdini would probably also work. It's a waterproof shell much like the Houdini.

I would definitely take a shovel for a tent platform.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
revised List on 06/09/2014 20:00:19 MDT Print View

Ok everyone, I'm two weeks away and here's my updated list:

Edit: here's the list
http://lighterpack.com/r/a5uixm


Gear my partner is carrying:
FAK - 1.9oz
Bibler Tent - 94.7oz

Edited by buckie06 on 06/12/2014 12:01:20 MDT.

Ito Jakuchu
(jakuchu) - MLife

Locale: Japan
reply on 06/10/2014 05:54:21 MDT Print View

I would probably leave the snow shovel, but definitely bring a spare pair of gloves.
Have fun.

Gordon Gray
(GordonG) - F

Locale: Front Range, CO
canine on 06/11/2014 21:20:11 MDT Print View

Nice pics. You forgot the dogs weight.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Dog on 06/12/2014 09:51:39 MDT Print View

The dog is 30 pounds of muscle! She's going to be my porter and pull all my gear on a sled. So my base weight will be Zero! I wonder if she could arrest a fall......?


Believe me, I really want to ditch the snow shovel as well. My partner is being a stickler about it though.


I tossed in another pair of liner gloves, or do you mean I need an extra pair of the insulated gloves? And looking at the temperatures I'm going to bring my over gloves (6.9oz) as well. Thoughts?

I can't decide on the hiking poles, bring both? Bring one? None?

Richard Fischel
(RICKO) - F
if you hike with poles bring them on the trip, they are worth their weight. on 06/15/2014 21:55:23 MDT Print View

also, how's your moisture management with the nepals? have you worn them in the snow for four days without being able to bring them in someplace warm to dry them out? i'd rethink my water bottle options and have at least two 1 liter nalgenes. with the nalgenes you can make hot water bottles to sleep with or to warm-up your boots, which is something you can't do with the gatorade bottle or the platypus. a warm nalgene in your sleepign bag can be the diffrence between a good night's sleep and not sleeping at all. have you practiced pouring (hot) water from your pot into your platypus? into the gatorage bottle? on a warm/hot june day, you can almost never have too much water. plenty of folks get baked and dehydrated without even realizing it. and don’t forget sunscreen on the underside of your nose. i once did a job on my face that had me peeling so bad i was scaring kids.

also give thought to a pee bottle and devices that help with the mechanics. some climbers dehydrate because they lower fluid intake because they don't want to have to pee, which is a really bad idea. it's especially bad if you elect not to drink before bed time. just something to think about.

is it just the two of you or just the two of you as a rope team and your climbing with a bigger group? if it's just the two of you and you'll have no other crevasse rescue experience other than the one day of practice i'm guessing your ability to rescue each other will be limited. practicing being able to self-arrest and stopping your rope-mate's fall may be the best time spent along with being able to transfer the load of the climbing rope from you to another anchor (picket). what's the weight difference between the two of you. also, even if it's only the two of you, trying to travel/staying in the proximity with other groups is always a good idea, as is each of you having an easily accessible whistle i.e. one you can get to with one hand while lying on your stomach.

while you and your climbing partner are responsible for your own safety, and you shouldn’t be setting out with the idea that you’ll get help from anybody, unless it's a truly awful day, there's almost always another couple of groups on the popular routes along with climbing rangers. most folks that end up punching through a snow bridge on rainier scramble out on their own or get pulled out by the brute strength approach of a couple of rope teams pulling as opposed to an elaborate pulley set-up. it doesn't hurt to have practiced with prussics and to have them already on the rope and tucked/clipped into your harness. also, don’t feel shy to ask the climbing rangers or the paid guides questions, but also realize that the paid guides have a different risk calculus than you do. they are for the most part willing to help you out if they can. folk’ getting hurt on the mountain is bad for business. also, as on the interweb, be careful from whom you seek advice as they may know even less than you do.

good luck and have fun -

p.s. - here's what i get in a 40l pack for temp's in the 0* f range for 4 days-

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=55176&nid=466402&print=1

sory, you will have to cut and paste the link.

Edited by RICKO on 06/15/2014 22:25:59 MDT.

Ito Jakuchu
(jakuchu) - MLife

Locale: Japan
Re: Dog on 06/16/2014 07:54:49 MDT Print View

"I tossed in another pair of liner gloves, or do you mean I need an extra pair of the insulated gloves? And looking at the temperatures I'm going to bring my over gloves (6.9oz) as well. Thoughts? "

Yeah it depends what you already have.
If I go in the snow for a long trek I really want an extra thick fleece/synth glove. My gloves I can layer though.
I have:
-pair, or two of thin liners.
-one pair of fleece gloves and a synth pair (synth slightly warmer but they serve the same purpose).
-waterproof shell glove.

If not so cold I just wear the thin liners with the shells, if colder than I add the fleece inside. If they wet out I have another insulating pair to layer. Since hands are so important for, well anything, I like to make sure I can move my fingers by taking a backup.
If I didn't have separate shells I would still bring backups of whatever you do carry. The separate shell system just keeps it slightly lighter/cheaper.

You know yourself best of course, but I can highly recommend it.

Edited by jakuchu on 06/16/2014 07:58:36 MDT.

Ito Jakuchu
(jakuchu) - MLife

Locale: Japan
Re: Dog on 06/16/2014 08:15:27 MDT Print View

"I can't decide on the hiking poles, bring both? Bring one? None?"

Depends how steep, sorry, don't know your terrain or route.
If you can hike well there with snow baskets and rubber tips off it is worth it I think. Most important is preventing a fall, trekking poles can be quite good at that as they can be comfortable to walk with, and it can be easier to go down a slope too. Sometimes easier than with a shorter (than your poles) ice axe.
But, of course you have no way to self arrest if you do slip.

Is the majority quite steep or has significant consequences if you slip?

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
Water on 06/16/2014 13:01:40 MDT Print View

I should have been more clear, this trip is a graduation climb for the Colorado Mountain Club's high altitude class. I'll be on a four person roped team, we have 11 people total going in our group. We have been practicing rope travel, crevasse, anchors, etc since December.

Richard,
I always bring my boots inside my tent at night, they're usually cold, but I haven't found a better solution. I can try taking out the foot insoles and keeping those in my sleeping bag.

Good comments on the water, I'll probably switch out the gatorade bottle for a nalgene that can handle hot water. I believe the platypus can hold hot water though? I'll switch out mine with a wide mouth platyus, that'll make it easier to pour water.

I've never been a fan of the pee bottle just because it is hard/inconvenient for women to use, even with those funnel things.

Ito:
I think with two liners, insulated ski gloves, and my waterproof over-mitts I'll be ok? Usually I hike with the liners and the overmitts and my hands stay warm. The Ski gloves are basically for around camp and if it gets really cold.

For the trekking poles, right now I'm leaning towards one pole and the axe. Here's a graph I found from RMI about the route, we are not doing that middle camp at the Inter glacier.Emmons Route

Also, I loaded my pack yesterday, everything including food and water can fit in my 45L pack!!! I'm still shocked!

Thoughts on bringing one parachute style tent anchor? All the other stakes are the curved snow stakes.

Thanks everyone for the continued help! Only four days to go!

Ito Jakuchu
(jakuchu) - MLife

Locale: Japan
Re: Water on 06/19/2014 18:28:02 MDT Print View

Kristen,
I think with a course like that and you will have more experience than me, and will do more technical things than I have in the snow.
I personally just like extra insulating gloves but I get cold hands real quick if I sweated in my gloves and like the extra insurance. You will know. Or otherwise I would talk to your team mates.
Take care and have fun!

Edited by jakuchu on 06/19/2014 19:13:06 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Water on 06/19/2014 18:34:06 MDT Print View

"I've never been a fan of the pee bottle just because it is hard/inconvenient for women to use, even with those funnel things."

How about using the cook pot?

--B.G.--

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
pee pot on 06/19/2014 22:02:20 MDT Print View

Bob, I can't tell if you're serious or joking? using the cook pot, really?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: pee pot on 06/19/2014 22:34:57 MDT Print View

An old story, but true:

We were climbing Aconcagua, and there were two old guys along to go up the bottom half, and they were sharing a tent. Sometimes a person does not have a great deal of urine capacity, especially at night, so each of the two brought his own water bottle plus another water bottle with a big capital "P" on the lid.

On the first night, one guy could not find his P bottle, so he used the other guy's. The other guy found out and got mad.

On the second night, the same guy could not find his P bottle, and he couldn't find the other guy's (because it had been hidden), so he used the cook pot. The other guy found out the next morning (oh, what a surprise that must have been!) and threw the first guy out of the tent. They both quit the expedition right after that.

I would think that if you did a good job of rinsing the cook pot, it would be OK. Urine isn't very nice, but it is relatively sterile. Having your own dedicated container would be best, like a large plastic bowl.

Kids, don't do this at home! This is only for trained professionals.

--B.G.--

Richard Fischel
(RICKO) - F
my bottle of choice is a 1 liter nalgene flexible wide mouth canteen on 06/20/2014 09:29:48 MDT Print View

first and most importantly, i won't confuse it with any of the water bottles that might be floating around inside my sleeping bag and second the bottle being flexible helps with the inevitable gymnastics that accompany the task. as much a using a bottle may be a pain, getting out of a toasty warm sleeping bag in the middle of the night is worse. living in a high camp tent is not for the shy or claustrophobic. luckily for most, the sense of smell is deadened by altitude and cold.

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - M

Locale: Grand Canyon State
Pee Bottle made for Women on 06/20/2014 10:33:35 MDT Print View

Believe it or not, they actually make special urinal bottles for women... I had one when I was adventure racing, and they work very well (insider tip: hold it very firmly against your body when using!).

Google "women's urine bottle", and you will find many options. I got mine in an ordinary drugstore, in the medical equipment section.

kristen buckland
(buckie06) - F

Locale: Colorado
thanks on 06/20/2014 22:06:08 MDT Print View

Thanks everyone for the comments. Seems like we are going to have great weather, I fly out in the morning!

Thanks again!