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Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/19/2014 09:11:55 MDT Print View

Huh?
.... a quarter of Americans and a third of Europeans [do] not know that the Earth goes round the sun.

The American figure comes from research by the National Science Federation, a US government agency which has been asking this question as part of its survey of public attitudes to science since 1988. It asked a range of adults: "Does the Earth go around the sun, or does the sun go around the Earth?"

Tom W Smith, who carried out the poll at NORC, a specialist centre at the University of Chicago, says they sampled a group which reflects the whole population in terms of gender, age, education and ethnicity.

But why would so many people get this wrong? "Most of these questions involve having learned a scientific fact and remembering it," says Dr Smith.

"But if someone goes outside and observes the fact the sun rises in the east and sets in the west each day, that casual non-scientific observation might well lead them to take in the belief that the sun is revolving around the Earth."

The most recent research on this appears to be a European Union survey in 2005 which shows only 66% getting it right.

....

And other surveys over the past few years show that people in India and Malaysia don't do much better.

Article is here. Scroll down a bit....

Edited by greg23 on 03/19/2014 09:13:08 MDT.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/19/2014 09:27:38 MDT Print View

I was chatting with a European friend a number of years ago, and he said to me, "You Americans think the world revolves around the U.S. instead of the sun!"

I felt the need to correct him, and told him, "Actually, the world revolves around ME! I just happen to live in the U.S......"

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/19/2014 10:56:49 MDT Print View

Doug,

"the world revolves around ME!"

Thanks for the laugh and the wisdom. I think this view accounts for a lot of human ignorance and misbehavior.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/19/2014 17:00:38 MDT Print View

It's this sort of ignorance that's helping the rise of the American Taliban.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/20/2014 07:36:40 MDT Print View

...and the Republicans.







[this is Chaff, right?]

Edited by greg23 on 03/20/2014 07:52:05 MDT.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/20/2014 11:07:52 MDT Print View

That's because it's those pesky college elites who keep telling us that the earth revolves around the sun. And that it's ROUND. goodness me, of course it's not! How could I walk on it if it were round???


I have NO idea where this distrust and downright ridicule of the "elite" and those with educations comes from. Bobby Jindal was right about the GOP - it's becoming the party of stupid.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/20/2014 11:31:57 MDT Print View

"Tom W Smith, who carried out the poll at NORC, a specialist centre at the University of Chicago, says they sampled a group which reflects the whole population in terms of gender, age, education and ethnicity."

"I have NO idea where this distrust and downright ridicule of the "elite" and those with educations comes from. Bobby Jindal was right about the GOP - it's becoming the party of stupid."

Has Chicago become the GOP epicenter? Funny but I thought it was heavily weighted towards the DNC, like something in the neighborhood of 85%.

David Adair
(DavidAdair) - M

Locale: West Dakota
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Sun Goes Around the Earth... on 03/20/2014 13:46:29 MDT Print View

liberalism is an elastic gooey mess of quasi-logic

there are no actual rules

if you need to call algebra a white conspiracy to hold black people down, you just do it

then everyone cheers and congratulates themselves for being intellectual and caring


-cyborg845

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
"Stoopid". on 03/20/2014 14:48:44 MDT Print View

What I am getting is that some believe people at large to be generally so "stoopid" that they ought not to be able to decide what to ingest, inhale, drive and so forth. Yet these same morons ought to choose/vote in people to make all those decisions for the rest of us.
No wonder we are screwed.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: "Stoopid". on 03/20/2014 15:46:18 MDT Print View

David,

Funny and true!

Katharina,

Worse yet, I think we're at a point where our elections will be decided by which candidate can out-meme the other one. My retirement plan is a school bus parked in an undisclosed location in the Cascades and 1000 cans of chili. Beats the alternative.

Edited by IDBLOOM on 03/20/2014 15:50:43 MDT.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: "Stoopid". on 03/20/2014 17:34:06 MDT Print View

Ian,
:) my retirement plan is not far off yours ..

David,
What? Just being a liberal is not enough to qualify one as caring? Next you are going to tell me that the earth is not flat!


Among all the ways to describe people and put them in categories....I prefer to split us among the givers and the takers. Some are takers because they did not have enough at some point in life; some because they are lonely and long for the company that power might give them, some just take because they can't even fathom not doing it.
The above goes across economic lines as well as gender, ethnicity, sexual preference etc.
Still not good to split people into groups, if you ask me, but if are going to do it then "givers" and "takers" would be my choice.

Edited by Kat_P on 03/20/2014 19:49:54 MDT.

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Re: Re: "Stoopid". on 03/26/2014 10:48:11 MDT Print View

The world is full of willing people. Those willing to work, and those willing to let them.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: Re: "Stoopid". on 03/29/2014 14:45:26 MDT Print View

And as the comic says, "you can't fix 'stupid'l

After years in the automobile repair and computer hardware industries, I'm convinced that the bulk of the American population is technologically somewhere in the 12th Century. Electricity is still magic.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "Stoopid". on 03/29/2014 15:24:16 MDT Print View

"Electricity is still magic."

In the right hands, it most certainly is.....

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Electricity on 03/29/2014 16:20:43 MDT Print View

Three quarters of my family are IBEW linemen or utility administrators. Electricity is job security but not magic :)

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Electricity on 03/29/2014 20:28:45 MDT Print View

"Electricity is job security but not magic"

I call bs.

http://www.keprtv.com/news/local/Benton-County-firefighter-hospitalized-after-electric-shock-245248841.html

What's not covered in this story is how he coded at the scene and then they revived him with even more electricity ala EAD. Pretty damn magical to me. Almost as good as how my coworker steals my nose and can separate his thumb then magically reattach it.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Electricity on 03/29/2014 20:36:21 MDT Print View

awww... you must be my little sister, or one of my nieces or nephews under a pseudonym

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: Electricity on 03/30/2014 22:16:41 MDT Print View

Ian, you're on the downhill side of the water table from Hanford, right? Don't need a headlamp because you glow in the dark? :)

My father had injured lineman buddies come by the house with missing fingers and big scars from mishaps--- and those were the ones that lived. Lineman are in the same insurance classification with Indy drivers and bartenders!

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Electricity on 03/30/2014 22:52:44 MDT Print View

From speaking with a few of the psycho high voltage guys in this area, huevos of steel are certainly a job requirement.

Re: Hanford... mail me your gear, I'll dunk it a couple times in the groundwater, and you can glow too!

David Moreno
(nerrek2000) - F

Locale: North East Ohio
The Sun Goes Around the Earth on 06/01/2014 00:46:53 MDT Print View

In the past year I've gotten quite a kick out of stupid people along these same lines.

On 3 separate occasions I've had discussions with people who truly believe that our sun and all other stars that can be seen in the night sky only seem to shine because of them reflecting light back toward the earth that shines on them from our moon.

So, I've been misled in Astronomy since a small child, even in college to believe that stars shine as a result of hot glowing gasses. Hmm... Maybe I should join the Flat Earth Society too. lol

Google that for a laugh. There's still in this day and age a very large group of people who truly believe that the rest of us have it wrong because the earth is really flat!

I'd loose my membership to ALPO (Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers) for that one.