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michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:21:47 MDT Print View

I currently have a 16oz (was 19) fleece liner that I cut the zipper off. I was planning on sewing up the footbox and trimming it to get a lower weight.

I thought about ordering 2 yards of pertex quantum 20d at .9oz sq/yd. This would help wind not rip though the fleece as easily and it is much needed because I was cold before using just the fleece.

Should I stay with the fleece? My gut says find something lighter but I will lose the loft. With a pertex shell I should be okay as I'm gUessing I will see a significant warmth gain.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:30:51 MDT Print View

Warmth to weight of fleece is 1/4 synthetic.

Fleece bag will be heavy and not warm. Maybe good down to 60 F if you wear a base layer. 2.5 oz Apex would be good down to maybe 40 F and weigh less.

Fleece is good for hat or gloves that have a small area so they don't weigh much, or for a shirt or vest exercising in really cold weather because it doesn't add much warmth so you won't sweat.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:36:52 MDT Print View

If I used fleece I could use an apex outer shell.

If I used syn. Apex I would need to use an outer and an inner. I couldn't use pertex as the inner because it is too clammy.

I would have to use silk or cotton? Using apex I am using 3 layers of material. I need to find something light and comfortable against skin.

Edited by M.L on 03/12/2014 09:38:41 MDT.

Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:38:44 MDT Print View

Yep, the 2.5oz Apex quilt I made is good (for me) into the 40's, weighs 16.5oz, and packs much, much smaller than a fleece blanket. I just used 1.1oz ripstop nylon so you could save a little weight using lighter fabrics.

You said hot weather though. Around here it doesn't get below 70 degrees in the summer and even a fleece blanket is too hot. I've just used a bag liner for the times I was dumb enough to go out in that kind of weather. I always thought a piece of silk sewn in the shape of a quilt would be ideal for that kind of weather.

Adam

Edited by aroth87 on 03/12/2014 09:39:25 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:43:19 MDT Print View

Maybe I could use silk as the inside fabric with the lightest apex layer on top and pertex shell?

Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:50:46 MDT Print View

What temperature range are you wanting to use it for? That might help clear up some confusion.

Adam

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 09:54:25 MDT Print View

I need to take it down to 60. I will have a jacket and a poncho vbl if it's not enough.

Avg. Night temp about 70 though.

I would like to be under 10oz, and have a comfy non sticky next to skin surface. Possible?

Edited by M.L on 03/12/2014 09:58:49 MDT.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 10:00:14 MDT Print View

you could get a 2.1oz Apex quilt in a 10oz Package.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 10:15:00 MDT Print View

True, but I am worried because ul fabric is super sweaty in the heat. Some sort of wicking material would be nice...

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 10:17:31 MDT Print View

Just use insulated jacket? Maybe have just a layer of Pertex or whatever on the outside to prevent drafts?

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 10:18:58 MDT Print View

I use Nobul1 against skin and it feels okay, but I'm not too picky about being clammy

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 10:29:02 MDT Print View

The Therm-a-Rest Tech Blanket is a good model. It has a drawstring and snaps eton form a foot box and more snaps to attach it to your pad. It is too heavy at 21.2 oz, but very compact and simple.

I would make a similar blanket with the lightest non-bearding cloth with a good DWR and the highest performance ~60g synthetic fill. I would add a center head hole to allow use as a serape in camp. It would basically be a Nano Puff blanket.

A 100g version wouldn't bother me and would get more use.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 14:04:44 MDT Print View

I think I might use silk and sew some .9oz pertex on top, it should be about 7 ounces.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 14:17:22 MDT Print View

Get a military surplus poncho liner and modify it into a quilt. The material was designed for use in tropical climates and isn't very clammy imo. Perfect for 60-70 temps.

Brendan Swihart
(brendans) - MLife

Locale: Fruita CO
Re: Re: Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/12/2014 14:51:30 MDT Print View

I use a 2.5 oz climashield apex quilt with a silk shell for warm weather. Nice and breathable and great against the skin. Weighs about 9oz. Silk from dharma trading.

Benjamin Evison
(benevision)
down "blanket" and silk liner on 03/12/2014 14:57:46 MDT Print View

I made a micro-baffled down quilt with some left-over 850+ down between two layers of nobul-1 (stitched through baffles with about 2cm (.8") loft.

Because I perspire a lot I also use a very light Thai silk liner from eBay (make sure its 100% silk - they call sweaty synthetic blends silk too!). On hot Australian summer nights the silk is perfect alone...

The quilt weighs 214g (7.5oz) and the silk liner 116g although that could be cut down quite a bit.

This setup is certainly comfortable to 15°C (60F) but I've had it down to 10°C (50°F) with all my [summer] clothes on.

I like the lightness of the quilt so much I take it travelling as well in preference to guest-room blankets or duvets.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: down "blanket" and silk liner on 03/12/2014 15:39:25 MDT Print View

Thanks for the great ideas! How many yards should I order? Is 2 yards okay thats 6 feet, it comes in 59inches wide?

Do I need 3 yards?

rick .
(overheadview) - F

Locale: NYC
Silk and M90T on 03/12/2014 15:48:59 MDT Print View

Here's a source for silk, think I pulled it off of here and haven't ordered yet. http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric/silk/silk-habotai-fabrics.html

I'd throw M90T into your against-skin options, I love the fabric against the skin. Though I haven't used it in 70f temps. You may need only that and a shell with the lightest insulation. M90T doesn't breathe as well as pertex quantum but feels fabulous (T=taffeta coating). Though my liner/shell weighted 9oz with M90T and Quantum (and baffles and drawstring) on my quilt before sewing. So you'd be close to 8 without any insulation. Its breathable but wind resistant, with a dwr though, so that may help depending on shelter type.

If you'd wear longsleeve/long underwear baselayers anyway the feeling against the skin is somewhat moot. (that's an if, I might but I don't think everyone would)

60-70 is the temp your house is mostlikely, what do you use on your bed? I think a silk/pertex "quilt" would be really nice at the right temp range.

I ordered from Quest some wicking material, the remnant piece I got was ~4oz/sq yd (sewed wicking buffs out of a small remnant to try it). That might be an option, it's just like raw baselayer material. A shell would be optional if you have a closed shelter.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Silk and M90T on 03/12/2014 16:03:52 MDT Print View

Silk Habotai 5mm and 55in wide is that the best / lightest?

Should I order 2 yards or 3? If I get two yards of silk I can jut food that in half and build a whole quilt with 2 yards? I think I will/could use something non silk for the shell for ind resistance. If I can do this with some cheap climashield or similar I think that is the way to go. Much better than fleece.

If you were to build one yourself what website and exact materials would you buy? This will be the second time I have ever used a sewing machine so sorry for the dunceness ;)

Brendan Swihart
(brendans) - MLife

Locale: Fruita CO
Re: Re: Silk and M90T on 03/12/2014 16:39:27 MDT Print View

I'd go 3 yds to be safe. If you're not doing it flat without a sewn footbox you'll need a few extra inches. 5mm Habatai is what I've used from Dharma. It's definitely pretty airy (which is nice for summer desert nights) but if you're wanting some wind resistance something else might be a good idea for the outer shell. If I were going that route I'd go with nobul 1 from tigoat. Lighter, more breathable, and cheaper than M90. http://www.titaniumgoat.com/Fabric.html

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Re: Re: Silk and M90T on 03/12/2014 17:08:14 MDT Print View

Michael,

If you get silk make sure to not wash it in a machine, you will need to hand wash the quilt.

Personally for really hot weather I have a silk sleeping bag liner and a 50f Synethic quilt, total weight is about 550g.
If the liner gets funky I can wash it in cold water and it will dry quickly.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: Re: Re: Silk and M90T on 03/12/2014 21:19:16 MDT Print View

So I will assume that 2 yards of silk and 2 yards of nobul will be good. Then 2 yards of insulation.

rick .
(overheadview) - F

Locale: NYC
yardage and more sources on 03/12/2014 23:09:35 MDT Print View

2 yards = 6' exactly, then seam allowances brings that down some. It would be quite short for most people. Remember, it has to rise up from your feet then up to your chin at least, so just your height may end up short. Ask them if they will allow partial yardage, I'd get 2 1/3 yards if I was planning it down to zero scrap. I got 2.5 yards from thru-hiker and ended up cutting off a foot. Put a sheet over you how you want it, then measure that, and add 2" for seams.

here's some more sources.

http://thru-hiker.com/materials/index.php
2.5 and 5oz climashield and pertex quantum and other lightweight shell/liner fabrics. I used their M90T/P-Quantum kit for my quilt, was nice to buy a bundle and save a few bucks.

http://www.questoutfitters.com
Quest was awesome to deal with, let me adjust my order after finalizing. I'd ordered a silly 1" of elastic not 1yd and they emailed to verify I was in fact a bonehead! adjusted order received 2 days after placing. Quest is the best source for silnylon 2nds I've found, and a great selection of remnants for random projects.

http://www.titaniumgoat.com/Fabric.html nobul1 and nobul2, never used but very light fabric.

http://wildernesslogics.com

http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric/silk/silk-habotai-fabrics.html
I believe the 8mm was recommended in the thread I bookmarked that from, they will send swatches, it can't be 8mm thick, that's 8 dimes thick.

http://owfinc.com/fabrics.html
2, 3, & 6 oz climasheild, I've never used these guys.

http://diygearsupply.com/shop/
I think I ordered mesh and zippers from these guys a while ago. They have a good random selection and a couple of guides.

Down (ordered 1lb of 900fp - was satisfied, posting for completeness in list)
http://www.downlinens.com/products/premium-washed-down

You asked what I'd order, this is just my preference: 2 1/3 or 2.5 yards of:
Pertex Quantum from thru-hiker, or Nobul1 from tigoat. (I love quantum but the .67oz finished weight of nobul1 can't be beat)
thinnest climasheild apex, looks like outdoor wilderness fabrics
8mm silk in 60" width

You could combine your thru-hike order to get the shell and insulation and save one shipping cost (I believe they charge flat 9.95).

You'd be very rough estimate 10oz and $100. Keep us updated, this exact project is third on my list! but might get moved up to be ready for July/August trips.

Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: yardage and more sources on 03/13/2014 06:54:51 MDT Print View

I made my Apex quilt with 2 yards of fabric. I sleep on my side so even though I'm 6' tall I've got plenty of coverage to cinch it closed over my shoulders. If I were any taller or slept on my back it would be a little short though.

Adam

robert van putten
(Bawana) - F

Locale: Planet Bob
fleece and nylon bag on 03/13/2014 12:31:54 MDT Print View

Once upon a time I carried a small rectangular sleeping bag in my car that had a fleece lining and nylon shell.

It was red, and came from Marlboro. I don't smoke but knew lots of folk who did and I "got the gear".

The nylon shell did indeed extend the temp rating quite a bit. I could unzip it to form a big blanket to cover two people, which was useful on several occasions.

One wintery November night I slept in it in the cab of a pickup truck when I simply couldn't stand the feller snoring to beat the band in a motel room on a job. I wore my insulated coveralls inside the bag and was quite toasty.

I slept in it several summer nights on the high prairie in Oregon when working jobs and the local motels were full. ( heh, ever try to get a motel when the Roundup is in town? ).

It was a very useful item, so naturally it was stolen out of my car one day.
I looked for a new one and discovered the few fleece bags with nylon shells were very expensive!

So I made a few of my own. These are specifically for keeping in a car and not backpacking ( although they would work fine ) so I don't mind the extra weight.

Also, it isn't a good idea to compress a sleeping bag all the time, but I don't think fleece cares so much, making it idea for long term storage in a car.

I was able to make 'em out of stuff I had on hand so the outlay was zero, which is also important for me.

My wife is a quilter and buys quilt batting by the roll, so what the heck, I put a layer of it inside as well. She also had salvaged a big pile of tulle from a wedding, so I sewed a generous roll of that to the top for use as a mosquito bar.

Goofy and heavy, but free and useful. The fleece certainly does make a nice warm inner layer!


finished quilt

I made it big and rectangular with a sewn on foot pocket. For storage the quilt folds into the foot pocket.

folded

A smaller one being made -

next one

I even used fleece for the bottom of our new home made sleep system.

Fleece on top -
fleece

It holds two thermarest pads in place. Very warm! The top quilt is held in place with velcro.

bottom

Dunno how helpful this is, but I thought I'd relay my experience wit just such a fleece / nylon shell sleeping bag.
Don't throw out all those old fleece throws people give you!
They are useful for projects.

Edited by Bawana on 03/13/2014 12:34:34 MDT.

George Tate Hunt
(TrippleSpill)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: let's make a hot weather quilt.. cotton, fleece? on 03/14/2014 11:50:16 MDT Print View

What thickness of silk did you use? Did you go with Habotai or the Crepe de Chine? Was shrinkage a major issue for you?

George Tate Hunt
(TrippleSpill)
Silk on 03/14/2014 11:55:58 MDT Print View

Has anyone made a summer top quilt and use a silk liner made like a pocket you can slide into (top against the climashield, bottom between you and your sleeping pad? Not sure how much weight that would add, but it would feel much better than sleeping directly on a neo-air.

rick .
(overheadview) - F

Locale: NYC
Re: Silk on 03/14/2014 12:14:53 MDT Print View

George,

I have not made a lower flap on a quilt, but it's trivial to sew on or even make removable.

I think it'd be more economical weight-wise to attach a small piece to the neoair. It could be much smaller, 20" wide (vs virtually the whole size of your quilt). Could even make it torso-height even. It would be better to directly cover the pad too, rather than get wrapped up in this flap of fabric.

I'd semi-permanently glue it on, or some sturdy double-stick tape that I expected to last june-aug each year. Or use a sewn pocket around the edges to slip over the pad, sort of a fitted sheet (I'd be surprised if the didn't sell them, but not for me)

Fabric is light, but when the whole thing weighs 8-10oz and you start adding 50% of the total fabric area it adds up quick.

Benjamin Evison
(benevision)
Re: Re: down "blanket" and silk liner on 03/14/2014 13:41:22 MDT Print View

I used 4 yards - 2 each for INSIDE and OUT of ti-goat's nobul-1.

Sorry for delay in getting back - I've been away for a coupla days...

will post some pics later today AU time.

Edited by benevision on 03/14/2014 13:47:12 MDT.