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Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Pattern for MYOG Hip Belt Pocket/Pouch? on 03/04/2014 20:26:47 MST Print View

Anyone know of a source (or have their own) pattern for a hip belt pocket/pouch? I really need one (or a pair) on my pocketless GG Crown. Thanks.

(PS: If no patterns exist, then recommendations for purchasing a hip belt pouch about 4x6 gratefully accepted.)

Edited by Bolster on 03/04/2014 20:32:58 MST.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Pattern for MYOG Hip Belt Pocket/Pouch? on 03/04/2014 20:38:46 MST Print View

http://www.granitegearstore.com/Belt-Pocket-P47C5.aspx

http://gossamergear.com/hip-belt-pockets.html

http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=70

http://www.zimmerbuilt.com/hip-belt-pockets.html

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: Pattern for MYOG Hip Belt Pocket/Pouch? on 03/04/2014 20:44:25 MST Print View

Or - if you find a nice little lightweight zippered pouch in a thrift store or dollar store, just sew a wide webbing strip (or a couple of narrow ones) vertically on the back side to run your hip belt through; adding a loop to attach it to the load lifter is optional but helpful as well, to keep it from sliding off when you unbuckle the hip belt.

Edited by dkramalc on 03/04/2014 20:45:50 MST.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Pouches on 03/04/2014 21:58:07 MST Print View

Thanks Ken, those are all so nice. Tempting to buy rather than make, but will try to resist a while longer...

alex hansen
(holden425) - F
modify this into a hip belt pocket? on 03/05/2014 00:17:02 MST Print View

maybe this can be modified into a hip belt pocket easily enough? the orientation is vertical instead of horizontal which could be wrong, but maybe it could be deconstructed and used for a pattern. then apply the zipper to a horizontal edge or the front.

http://www.rei.com/product/828837/eagle-creek-pack-it-specter-quarter-cube#specsTab

Edited by holden425 on 03/05/2014 00:18:39 MST.

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
pattern on 03/05/2014 07:58:42 MST Print View

A nice pattern would be great. When I made my hipbelt pockets, I started with a long, 12x8 piece, sewed on the loops for the slick clips, then closed the sheet into a loop by sewing on the water resistant zipper to the 8" ends, with the fabric inside out. I then sewed each remaining open end shut, then boxed the corners by sewing them. Then cut off the excess corners, turn it right side out, and now you got a pocket with the zipper on top.


I then did my best to seal the seams with mcnett seam sure or whatever it's called, the more free flowing liquidy stuff.

I wish I had a pattern/pictorial guide for making the pockets with the zippers on the side like the ones Chris Zimmer makes.

Nicholas Smolinske
(Smo) - F
Inside out box on 03/05/2014 08:53:09 MST Print View

I sewed hipbelt pockets by making a box, inside out, then inverting. So I had three pieces. I think it's more work than AndE's method, which I should probably learn. But corners are fun, in a challenging sort of way. The more you do, the better you get at them. Add your seam allowance to all of these:

-two identical front and back pieces, 4" by 6". I rounded the corners by tracing a glass jar. You can pick whatever length you want, I did one pocket 4x6 and one 4x8

-one piece for the top, bottom and sides, 2 inches by 28 (always add a couple of inches, because it's hard to estimate how much fabric you'll actually use around a corner).

Now the steps:

1) sew straps onto the back - I did velcro designed to fit in my MYOG pack
2) sew the zipper onto the front, along the edges
2a) cut a slit above the zipper
2b) fold the fabric in and hem next to the zipper
2c) attach a zipper pull
2d) fold fabric in and sew over the zipper ends
3) sew the pieces together, inside out. Swear a little when you do the corners. Cutting notches into the seam allowance on the long skinny piece (or either pieces) will help a lot.

HP pocket

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: Pouches on 03/05/2014 10:49:36 MST Print View

After reading the above directions, a third way occurs to me:

Install a zipper between two strips of material, say 6" x 1.5" (or wider, depending on how thick you want the pocket to be). Then sew another strip, equal in width to the completed zippered piece, between the ends of the zippered strip to make one long loop. Cut out two rectangles for the front and back of your pouch, round the corners, and sew the zippered strip between them. This is fairly sketchy (sorry) but it occurs to me that would work. Finding the right length for the loop would take a little finagling to make things come out even.

I might also sew a second rectangle (a little less "tall", with the top edge finished) inside the one closest to your body - my Golite daypack hipbelt pockets have this to divide the pocket into sections, and it's handy for keeping flat things like permit, driver's license, etc., tucked away.

Edited by dkramalc on 03/05/2014 10:52:13 MST.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
No Wiz. on 03/05/2014 12:27:07 MST Print View

I'm not a wiz at sewing. Your suggestions sound great for an experienced sewist, but I'm a little lost without a pattern. If there's no pattern floating around out there, I might have to buy this item. One concern I have is, I'll make it so flimsy it'll be a pain to use. I noticed the MLD pouch Ken linked, specifically states has "structure and it holds the shape...".

If I make it, it'll be at least three iterations before I'm happy with it (based on past experience) and $20 starts to look like a deal when you're on your third version of something. So without a pattern...I may be headed to the store... but if one of you sewists has a pattern, maybe it's still within my (limited) skill range.

What fabric would y'all recommend? And can these pouches be one-handed? Or does it take a "grip and zip" two-handed approach, regardless? (In which case a very light bag may be just as good as a heavier one.) I've never used a water resistant zipper before; I imagine they're more drag?

Edited by Bolster on 03/05/2014 12:30:03 MST.

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
stiffer fabric on 03/05/2014 13:43:08 MST Print View

If you want more structure and one hand opening, you'll want to use stiffer fabric like X-Pac VX21 or some thicker cordura or something. My pockets were made with a combo of 200D Oxford and 70D ripstop, so it usually takes more than one hand to open (my camera pocket cab be opened with one hand since I also added 3D mesh to the inside).

It also depends on how you attach it to your hipbelt. If it's a pretty secure/tight attachment, this can help with the one handed opening.

Edited by LunchANDYnner on 03/05/2014 16:08:10 MST.

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: pattern on 03/05/2014 13:59:37 MST Print View

"I wish I had a pattern/pictorial guide for making the pockets with the zippers on the side like the ones Chris Zimmer makes."

Looks to me that if you followed the method you outlined, but moved the zipper to just below the "top" before sewing the ends shut, it would turn out like the pics on the Zimmer site.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: stiffer fabric on 03/05/2014 15:24:02 MST Print View

"some ticket cordura or something"

Please clarify. What is ticket cordura?

--B.G.--

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
swipe on 03/05/2014 16:09:27 MST Print View

Oooh Bob, you're working overtime policing autocorrect/swipe/gesture typing typos.


Posted from my Nexus 4.

Edited by LunchANDYnner on 03/05/2014 16:13:09 MST.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: swipe on 03/05/2014 16:10:52 MST Print View

You know, it would probably be a lot easier to turn off the autocorrect function at your screen.

--B.G.--

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
zipper on side on 03/05/2014 16:18:05 MST Print View

I totally forgot about sewing the tube shut with the zipper to the front/side. I had originally imagined/planned it that way but when I started sewing it had completely escaped my mind.

It was the last thing I made for the pack so I was in "good enough" mode and just winged it. That's why one of my pockets is a couple inches smaller than the padded camera one. It works just fine though. Even the smaller pocket can fit a bunch of snacks in it.


@Bob - if only I could survive having to type letter by letter.

Edited by LunchANDYnner on 03/05/2014 16:21:18 MST.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: zipper on side on 03/05/2014 16:37:38 MST Print View

"if only I could survive having to type letter by letter"

There is an excellent new skill. Ten-finger touch typing. No autocorrect.

--B.G.--

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: Re: zipper on side on 03/05/2014 17:45:23 MST Print View

But I find it so difficult to fit all ten fingers, even my ladylike ones, onto my phone screen, not to mention it's really hard to feel the ridges between the keys...I can only imagine how tough it is for all these he- men.

Cell phone typing, or rather swyping, is why I end up having to edit so many of my posts. That and posting before I think.

Rick .
(overheadview) - F

Locale: NYC
Closure thoughts on 03/05/2014 19:20:26 MST Print View

I have no pattern for you, but I have a suggested addition/mod:

A flap closure with magnets. I like the security of a zipper but even with ones that truly one-hand zip it's a minor bother while moving & prone to staying open on accident.

I've been playing with very small magnets, one set into in a flap, one set into the face of the pouch. That flap would self-close but could be pulled open easily on the go. I would do this on one pocket which carries stuff bulky enough to not fall out but still want some type of closure (gloves, food). I'd stay with a zipper on the other one for tiny items, maps etc. that you may only be pulling out a few times a day.

Bust apart dead earbuds for a pair of tiny magnets that will easily hold a flap closed.

Sew a small patch of fabric to the face of the pouch/flap with the magnet inside to embed it (use thin fabric like silnylon, not cordura).

I wouldn't put your compass near that though, or electronics/credit cards. The earbud mags are TINY but throw off a compass held nearer than a few inches.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Pattern for MYOG Hip Belt Pocket/Pouch? on 03/05/2014 19:48:00 MST Print View

I don't have any pattern, either. However, there is one thing that you see on camera cases that might fit into this idea. Make the top opening as a flap, but turn it around so that it swings away from your body rather than toward it. That is an improvement for keeping foreign material out of the pouch, and it seems to protect the contents better. Along the lines of a top flap, the closure can be simple Velcro, or, if you are afraid of it opening too easily, the it can be a complex Velcro closure. That is probably lighter in weight than a waterproof zipper, although it may not be as waterproof.

--B.G.--

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Magnets and Flaps. on 03/05/2014 21:54:55 MST Print View

Rick: I would be ALL OVER your magnet idea, which is excellent, but for the fact that the main item I put in the front pouch is my compass. I'm one of those compass-over-checkers, especially when the trail goes dead...it is my security blanket. But for those who are interested, small but powerful neodymium magnets are also sold at Home Depot, and in Radio Shack.

Bob: Yeah, I'd think a well designed flap over the top should go a long way toward keeping water out, and would be one-handable. It's a good idea. Let me ponder it.

One of the best closers I've ever seen was on a Bianchi military holster. It was powered by elastic, which held a wire hook up into place, latching the covering flap closed--very secure. When you pulled down on a D-ring, you stretched the elastic and the hook disengaged. One-handed, and absolutely silent. You could get close to the same effect with a loop of elastic around a button.

EDIT: THe holster was the Bianchi UM84, if you care to see it.

Edited by Bolster on 03/05/2014 22:04:28 MST.