Feedback needed on Enlightened Equipment Enigma Sizing
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Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Feedback needed on Enlightened Equipment Enigma Sizing on 03/04/2014 15:44:32 MST Print View

We've been selling Enigmas now since OCT and being our first quilt with a sewn footbox I would like to check with you guys to be sure we got the sizing right. Mostly I'm interested in feedback from people at the top end of each size, 5'4", 5'10", 6'4" and 6'10" to see if the quilts fit well around your neck with little pressure or compression along the quilt's length. We've made the Revelation style for so long we've had a chance to tweak the fit so it is right on I just want to be sure we are doing the same with the Enigma and that it fits the way you expect it to.

-Tim

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
Enigma reg/wide @ 5' 10" on 03/04/2014 16:37:50 MST Print View

I just received my Enigma 30* a few days ago. Being a fellow Minnesotan, I'm sure you understand why I haven't field tested it yet!

I went with a quilt because of hip pain. Lying prone on my back in a mummy for extended periods is painful. The footbox in my Enigma is roomy enough that I can bend one knee off to the side comfortably and long enough to still basically remain in the footbox.

If I lie flat on my back fully stretched out, without over stretching he quilt, the top comes right to my nose. It's about mid chin after I wiggle around a bit and the fabric relaxes. The wide width is vey wide. I end up on my side a lot and also plan on layering with a puffy and I think the sizing is perfect.

The only annoyance, if you can call it that, is when on my back with the bag up to my nose as mentioned, the cordlock is right there and the cord is right there in my face. Kind of tickling my nose and whiskers. It's better than if the lockers were at the ends of the bag and underneath though, so not sure there is much to do about it. I'm just nitpicking to find some feedback to offer is all I guess.

So in summary: Yup, fits like a glove! :)

Edit: I don't want to imply that it's too long, because when the neck cord is cinched up, there's still enough room to keep it just off my shoulders. Any shorter and I think it would start to tug and pull at the seams. There's none of that now. I'm about 160 lbs.

Edited by Glenn64 on 03/04/2014 16:55:05 MST.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Enigma reg/wide @ 5' 10" on 03/04/2014 16:56:01 MST Print View

Thanks Glenn,

I was at lake of the woods over the weekend, -20*F plus wind!

The fix to the cord in your face is to pull it Inside where you can adjust it without getting your hands cold.

Glenn, how tall are you?

-Tim

Edited by MarshLaw303 on 03/04/2014 16:58:08 MST.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Feedback needed on Enlightened Equipment Enigma Sizing on 03/04/2014 17:05:01 MST Print View

Well, I'm not your target group since I'm only 5'8", but mine fit fabulously, I can tuck my whole head inside if I want.

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
Re: Re: Enigma reg/wide @ 5' 10" on 03/04/2014 17:09:50 MST Print View

I'm 5' 10" and I was a bit hesitant at ordering a regular, but between bag mode, and quilt mode, it's neither too long nor too short. The perfect goldilocks window IMO

Paul Andronico
(Jakesandwich) - M

Locale: S.F. Bay Area
My 2 cents on 03/04/2014 17:27:56 MST Print View

Tim, maybe I am an outlier, but at 5' 11" and 185 pounds I found I had trouble rolling over and avoiding drafts in a regular/wide Enigma, as the quilt always wanted to roll with me. I did not have this problem with the regular/wide RevX, which allowed me to easily roll inside the quilt without pulling the quilt with me. I am not sure if my problem with the Enigma is because of the shorter length, or the flat footbox, or both. As you know, I ultimately decided to go back to a Revelation (it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow :), but perhaps a long/wide Enigma would have fit just like a regular/wide Revelation. Either way I will enjoy the Revelation when it arrives. Thanks for asking the question.

Joe Annese
(dirtbaghiker) - M
5'10 230 LBS on 03/04/2014 18:41:15 MST Print View

I am 5'10, 230 lbs and I have used my Enigma 10 degree quilt, size regular/regular width 2 times now and I LOVE it!! Perfect size for me. In fact I should be recieving my 30 degree Enigma tomorrow or Thursday and I will be useing that this weekend. Within the next 2 or 3 weeks I will be ordering a 50 degree Enigma..also regular/regular. No complaints from me whatsoever..perfect design perfect quilts. Thankyou very much!!

Edited by dirtbaghiker on 03/04/2014 18:42:37 MST.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
5' 10" 190 lbs - Reg length is perfect on 03/04/2014 19:04:09 MST Print View

Tim, at 5' 10" and 190 lbs the Reg/Wide is perfect. Un-cinched, I can easily bring it up to cover my nose, cinched, it covers my neck fully. If I was thinking about a cold-weather quilt (10F or 0F) I'd likely opt for a long just to be able to bring it up higher and cover my face.

Paul Andronico
(Jakesandwich) - M

Locale: S.F. Bay Area
Huh on 03/04/2014 19:16:12 MST Print View

Art's and Joe's comments make me wish I'd compared the width of my Enigma to the width of my RevX before I sold the Enigma. I suppose it's possible I got a regular width Enigma by mistake, but I guess I'll never know :)

Edited by Jakesandwich on 03/04/2014 20:06:00 MST.

Aaron Davis
(ardavis324) - F
Re: 5' 11" on 03/04/2014 20:44:48 MST Print View

I'm 5'11 180 and the Regular length is perfect. Wouldn't want it any shorter though. If I slept fully stretched out as tall as possible it may feel slightly short..but for me its excellent.

Kris Franklin
(smoove910) - F
Waiting for the right time on 03/04/2014 21:53:58 MST Print View

Waiting for a coupon/deal to come up on the Enigma before I make the jump. Looking for a 20 or 30 long/wide. I'm 6'1" and 210lbs. Would certainly give a thorough review once I do get one though. :)

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
Re: Re: Enigma reg/wide @ 5' 10" on 03/04/2014 21:58:36 MST Print View

"I was at lake of the woods over the weekend, -20*F plus wind! "

Okay Tim now you need to please share what gear you brought with for this, temp of quilt etc?

:)

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Waiting for the right time on 03/05/2014 06:29:36 MST Print View

Kris,

You may be waiting awhile;) the plan was to have a memorial weekend sale but were so busy right now we could t handle any big increase in order volume like a sale would create. It might be ok by the time we get there as I'm bringing in more staff but its so busy.

Michael,

I used my 0* enigma on an XLITE but wished I just brought my 30 or 40 and a wider pad! We ended up sleeping in heated ice shacks and I didn't get to cold limit test like I planned;) too cold

-Tim

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Sizing on 03/05/2014 07:54:40 MST Print View

Tim,

I'm 5'7" and a little chubby for my height, and a very athletic rotisserie sleeper. The 5'10"/wide is perfect for me. It took a trip to get used to the different length from the revelation I had been using (I like to bunch up the quilt and bury my head in the extra fabric)...it took a bit of getting used to having a bag that was closer to my height than the normal 6' that I've used pretty much my whole life. But once I got used to it it really is perfect.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Sizing on 03/05/2014 09:17:43 MST Print View

Thanks everyone for the feedback, it sounds like the sizing accurately matches the description for almost everyone.

One of the reasons I'm asking this is because the difference between the Revelation and Enigma sizing has created confusion for some. The Revelation REG fits 6'-6'2" max and the REG Enigma to 5'10" max. We are considering re-labeling the Long Enigma (6'4" currently) to match the Rev Reg (6'-6'2"), same with other sizes basically taking 2" off the enigma size and relabeling it a size shorter without actually changing the cut of the quilt. How would you guys feel about that? Or should I just leave well enough alone?

-Tim

Joe Annese
(dirtbaghiker) - M
uuuh on 03/05/2014 09:25:55 MST Print View

DONT confuse me please. I actually got my 30 degree Enigma today..I love it. The black ouside with Navy inside looks sweet. Thanks Tim for making another outstanding quilt for me. Like I said earlier..in the next 2 weeks or so I will be ordering a 50 degree one..regular length regular width..so please dont change the sizing just yet, lol.

Matt Dirksen
(NamelessWay) - MLife

Locale: Mid Atlantic
Re: Re: Sizing on 03/05/2014 09:35:33 MST Print View

Hi Tim,

In lieu of "short, reg & long" you could just use the lengths that the Enigma bag max out at.

For example, the Enigma long/wide could be now the Enigma64 wide (or 2064 if its a 20 degree)

Reminds me of the way I typically order door and window sizes.

If you do this only for the Enigma line, there might be less confusion.

Matt

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: uuuh on 03/05/2014 09:53:52 MST Print View

Joe,

Don't worry any change if we did make one will happen with the launch of a new site which is still a little ways out.

Michael,

The only reason I will change anything at this point is if I choose to make the fits standard across all models so a different way of organization though I totally get it prob isn't the direction I would move.

-Tim

Ben H.
(bzhayes) - F

Locale: So. California
Re: Re: Sizing on 03/05/2014 10:13:52 MST Print View

I think the current method is a bit confusing (having the same size mean different things across your product line), but relabeling doesn't seem like the solution. The problem is that the Enigma seems to fit in between sizes of the revelation. Relabeling won't help that. It will just be confusing the other way and it will add confusion if people want to buy another quilt from you. (Why doesn't this reg/slim fit like the one I bought last year?). The solution I see is to add a bit more length to your Enigma series so they more closely match the revelation series quilts. Probably a pain in the butt for you, but that is the only solution I see. I understand there is more flexibility in sizing with the revelation due to how the footbox is constructed, but at least on of the sizing numbers should match.

Glenn S
(Glenn64) - M

Locale: Snowhere, MN
Re: Sizing on 03/05/2014 10:39:46 MST Print View

Tough call. Sizing is easily defined in the Enigma because it has a single purpose. Sizing of the Rev kinda depends on how it's used I'd think. I don't have a Rev (yet), but it seems like it would fit differently depending on what "mode" it was used in. Trying to lump both products into an identical sizing structure might overshadow some of the uniqueness of the individual designs.

I do think perhaps more detailed sizing information on the Rev, illustrating it's different uses would be beneficial. The Enigma is pretty straightforward, and it seems to be working, so I'm not sure I'd mess with it, unless the other sizes are off when they report in.