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Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
"When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 12:17:31 MST Print View

The title is from a song we used to sing in gradeschool...but...according to my spreadsheet, my polyester long pants are my #2 most heaviest piece of clothing (following shoes) at a whopping 11 ounces! Wow. Is that way out of range for medium-sized long pants, or is that normal?

PS: Asking about long pants, not shorts or even convertibles; for me its long pants or nothing. "Nothing" is lighter, but has various drawbacks.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 12:41:57 MST Print View

This week I went on a long day hike wearing 19 ounce cotton jeans.
Forgive me padre for I have sinned!

11 ounces is a pretty average weight for nylon pants. Keep in mind your pants take much more abuse than your shirt.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 12:52:35 MST Print View

My Patagonia Tropical Flats pants are 7.5 ounces, shed dirt well, and have three seasons on them without significant wear.

UNfortunately, Patagonia "improved" them by adding an elastic waist.

So, lightweight, reasonably durable pants are possible...

Good Luck.

Brian Johns
(bcutlerj) - M

Locale: NorCal
Yep. Normal weight on 02/16/2014 12:52:59 MST Print View

Your reported weight is normal. There are lighter options, though. I wear nylon ripstop windpants, Golite Trunk I think no longer made. They dry fast, breath well and have some DWR to them. They weigh about 5.5 oz. they have an elastic waist and slash pockets. Simple but effective. At least for three seasons. I also wear nylon trail pants but it's hard to beat the athletic comfort of these simple light pants.

William F
(wkf) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: Yep. Normal weight on 02/16/2014 13:10:45 MST Print View

I wear Gramicci climbing pants most of the time. They weigh in at 7.3 ounces on my scale. They have zero DWR but they dry extremely fast, even in humid PNW weather. They are very durable IME, I have a pair that are still going strong after 10+ years of hiking. I love them but they are hard to find. A few months ago I snagged another pair off of Ebay for $10, which got me VERY excited. Keep an eye out for these if the lack of DWR isn't an issue for you.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 13:22:17 MST Print View

A bit heavy imho. How they got that heavy I do not know: too many 'features' maybe?

The Taslan/Supplex ones I make for Sue and me weigh about 6.1 oz, and have lasted an awful long time in the field. See
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/make_your_own_gear_trousers.html

Cheers

hwc 1954
(wcollings) - M
Pants on 02/16/2014 13:26:56 MST Print View

In the summer and fall, I wear Marmot Cruz pants. A lightweight "peached" nylon hiking/travel pant. Front pockets, one zipper pocket on the thigh, two zipper pockets on the back. 9.2 ounces. They are super comfortable and I pretty much live in them in summer as they are passable for eating out, etc. They also make identical shorts and the obligatory "convertible" version. I find that I prefer to just wear the shorts or the long pants.

http://www.campsaver.com/cruz-pant-men-s

In the spring and winter, I wear the Marmot Scree pants. Awesome unlined stretchy softshell pant. Articulated knees, two zipper front pockets. One zipper pocket on the thigh. One zipper pocket on the back. DWR finish. The stretch is great for rock scrambling and these comfortably accommodate baselayers, even as thick as Power Stretch Fleece. I was out this morning snow shovelling in a pair of these over Capilene 4 baselayers. I've yet to be cold yet winter hiking or snow shoeing with these over baselayers. These weigh 15.4 ounces.

http://marmot.com/products/details/scree-pant

I think that most outdoor fashion brands sell versions similar to both of these. They seem to be pretty standard. Marmot offers Long, Regular, and Short lengths.

Edited by wcollings on 02/16/2014 14:33:43 MST.

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 13:46:23 MST Print View

I'd say that's pretty average, although, by the other comments, it looks like maybe not...

I wear a large pair of Columbia Silver Ridge 2 convertible pants. With the supplied nylon belt, they weigh 12.6 oz. TBH, I have been fine with them, despite the weight (that I always figured was good until this thread...) But, they fit me better than any of the other pants I tried on, I love all the "features" that they have (which are really just pockets and the convertible option). They are "light" enough so that they breathe fine on hotter days, and they dry super fast when they get wet. They have lasted me the last 5 years now and while they are dirty looking (they are tan colored) and even has a little melted spot on the bottom of one of the pants legs, they are still holding up quite well and I look forward to using them for at least a few more years.

Saying all of that, I would really love to go the the MB Dynamo wind pants. These are super lightweight (about 2.5 oz) but have absolutely no features (read: pockets), which is why I have not went with them yet. But, John Abela has used a pair of these for something like 1200+ miles and he has great things to say about them...

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 17:56:04 MST Print View

When your pants are kinda heavy,
With people fleeing by the bevy-

Diarrhea!

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
That's it on 02/16/2014 20:07:38 MST Print View

That's the one! Did we go to gradeschool together?

On topic, thanks for the pants recommendations. Which of the above are in the "sweet spot" of very functional but moderate price?

Edited by Bolster on 02/16/2014 20:08:36 MST.

William F
(wkf) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: That's it on 02/16/2014 21:12:00 MST Print View

The pants I have are now discontinued but Gramicci still makes nice stuff along the lines of what you're looking for. If you do look on Ebay then the material of the pants I have is called Qwik Dry nylon. I got mine for $10.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 21:44:11 MST Print View

Not that heavy to worry about it. My Rail Riders Eco-Mesh pants weigh 10 ounces including the belt.

Comfort, function, and durability trump weight.

Eric Johnson
(unimog) - MLife

Locale: Utah
Comfort, Function on 02/16/2014 22:33:15 MST Print View

^^^ This. I do like hiking in nylon because when it rains lightly, the water sheds a little nicer. When it is something you are wearing vs in the pack, I don't notice a few ounces, but I would notice if the pants didn't fit well or didn't have the pockets I want.

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
When your pants are kinda heavy... on 02/16/2014 23:02:38 MST Print View

I have two pairs of (mostly, 95%) nylon pants I'm using now:

(1) older-style Arc'Teryx Ramparts = 9.0 oz

(2) First Ascent Guides = 12.3 oz (these feel like a heavier nylon and have zippered leg pockets; I'm guessing that accounts for the difference).

But . . . I occasionally also carry separate shorts (between 3-5 oz depending on the pair) so its really a wash with convertibles. I just happen to not like convertibles very much.

I do have MB Dynamo pants + shorts that I'm going to try this upcoming summer.

Edited by saparisor on 02/16/2014 23:03:15 MST.

Matthew Black
(mtblack)
Shorts/wind pants on 02/16/2014 23:09:02 MST Print View

Used running shorts and MB Dynamos for all my trips in the last 8 months or so. Absolutely love the combo.

Roman Vazhnov
(joarr) - MLife

Locale: Russia
Re: "When your pants are kinda heavy..." on 02/16/2014 23:26:54 MST Print View

Thin Equilibrium pants weigh 3.3 oz.

cody yochum
(uclacody0908)

Locale: Nor Cal
missing the point on 02/17/2014 01:03:40 MST Print View

I get lightening your load for a 20 to 30 lb backpack on your back but why would you care if your pants weigh 11 oz or 18? I guarantee it won't help you to hike one mile further... I think this is just going way to far, but to each his own I guess.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: missing the point on 02/17/2014 02:20:46 MST Print View

> why would you care if your pants weigh 11 oz or 18? I guarantee it won't help you to
> hike one mile further.

There is virtually no difference between 7 oz on your waist and 7 oz on your back. And we KNOW just how many miles are chopped off your day per pound weight extra. See Ryan's article on the Arctic 100 trip, where he spells the numbers out clearly.

So sorry, but your guarantee may fail.

Cheers

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
normal on 02/17/2014 02:53:34 MST Print View

its normal

my dead bird pallisades/ramparts are around the same weight ... as are the 20$ stormtech ones i bought ... and various light softshell pants

consider that theres usually a tradeoff in durability for very light pants ... pants take alot of abuse, especially if yr scrambling, climbing or in the bush

butt sliding off rocks, scree, snow/ice and fallen logs will make that apparent after some use

;)

Donna C
(leadfoot) - M

Locale: Middle Virginia
Re: Re: That's it on 02/17/2014 06:31:32 MST Print View

+1 on these pants. I have them in women's and these things wear like iron. I think I snagged the last pair Gramicci made and disconitnued,in lavendar. Travel Smith sells the almost exact pant for both men and women, but much pricier.