Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review
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Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/12/2014 07:04:14 MST Print View

Companion forum thread to:

Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/12/2014 08:15:28 MST Print View

Nice review, thanks!

How are the Cuben panels connected? And at the diagonal ridge seams?

Tape and sewed? What kind of tape?

Kevin Sawchuk
(ksawchuk) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Northern California
Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/12/2014 10:43:03 MST Print View

Perhaps the design has changed but an aggressive caternary cut in the corner seams really wasted space at the edges in the version of this that I have. I initially purchased it for winter use but the poor pitch made it unusable for snowy nights.

Does the new design address these issues?

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/12/2014 12:28:21 MST Print View

A fair review. I would have liked more on the basic construction and layout. EG: cat cut, type of seams as mentioned above. Cuben is generally stitched and glued for maximum strength. Hard to tell from the pics.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/12/2014 12:59:16 MST Print View

Kevin,
I have never seen a HMG UltraMid, so this is a WAG....

...but I did use a MLD DuoMid for a couple of years. And when I first got it I set it up wrong,
pole to short, or at too much of an angle, that greatly accentuated the cat-cut corners. It looked like about 18" of the walls were nearly parallel to the ground. Once I added about 6" of height to my pitch the walls straightened out, and I had a lot of useable space. And that 6" still allowed me to pitch tight to the ground.

Looking that the photos in the review, the corners looks pretty good.

So I have to wonder if you have a setup issue, or if in fact they improved things...

Edited by greg23 on 02/12/2014 13:00:53 MST.

Kenda Willey
(sonderlehrer)
Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 13:29:07 MST Print View

Thank you for another solo/duo tent to mull over! Between ZPack's Solplex, MLD's Duomid, and now this one, the decision's getting harder instead of easier.

John Harper
(johnnyh88) - M

Locale: The SouthWest
Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 14:06:46 MST Print View

Small typo: the MLD Duomid's listed height is 54''

Ross L
(Ross) - MLife

Locale: Beautiful BC
Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 14:14:09 MST Print View

I think the Ruta Locura Lone Peak should be also included in the comparisons. Its wind shedding conical shape would be of particular interest to those who regularly camp above treeline. I have found the rectangular designs, while being perhaps more roomy, do not fare as well in high winds.

Edited by Ross on 02/12/2014 16:08:48 MST.

Gary Pikovsky
(gosha007) - F - M

Locale: New Hampshire White Mountains
Locus Gear on 02/12/2014 16:19:27 MST Print View

What about the fantastically made mids from Locus Gear? I'm quite surprised they weren't included in the reference chart. Just got mine a few weeks ago and it's the best mid I've seen. Major attention to details and level of quality that's second to none. hypo://www.locusgear.com

Gary

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 17:03:46 MST Print View

Ross,
Gary,
Others,

You've got the products in hand. Use Will's data, add your own for the two person version, and post the table here. How hard can that be?

I'd like to see how they compare and I'm sure others would too.



Oh, yeh....

Nice Job Will!

I appreciate the effort and the results.

Edited by greg23 on 02/13/2014 08:03:09 MST.

Ross L
(Ross) - MLife

Locale: Beautiful BC
Re: Re: Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 20:10:08 MST Print View

Here you go Greg...

Ruta Locura Lone Peak
Specifications:

Height: 5.5 Foot Tall/ 66 inches
Square Footage: 60 Square Feet
Foot Print: 9 foot by 10.5 feet
Fabric: Cubic Tech's CT2E.08 Laminate, .75 oz sq yd
Weight: Tent canopy, and stuff sacks: 18oz,
Stakes: 4oz, Pole: 7oz, Total weight: 29oz
(1lbs, 13oz)
Stakes: A mix of carbon fiber and aluminum
Pole: Carbon fiber
Price: $690 ___In Stock___

Nice review Will, many thanks.

Edited by Ross on 02/12/2014 21:37:24 MST.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 20:28:56 MST Print View

Ross,
I still need the fabric weight, and the height.

Thanks.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 21:21:55 MST Print View

Materials Body is CF8-ct2k08 0.78 oz/yd2 (26.5 g/m2) Cuben Fiber,

Dimensions 83 in (211 cm) wide, 107 in (500 cm) deep, 64 in (163 cm) high, providing 63 ft2 (5.85 m2) of floor area; measured dimensions 80.75 in (205 cm) wide, 104 in (264 cm) deep, 61 in (155 cm) high.

Robert Meurant
(rmeurant) - MLife
Comparison with the Locus Khufu and use of DPTE on 02/12/2014 21:27:55 MST Print View

There are some trade-offs that aren't really addressed, though I do like the large top venting.

One is the greater height and overall dimensions of the HMG mid, which imply greater wind resistance, greater weight, more and/or larger pegs etc.

I would imagine that also means that a two-pole connector like the Locus Gear DPTE can't be used (without lengthy pole extensions), to free up the central space that provides the greatest headroom. Hence one could argue that the Locus Khufu (or DuoMid), used with a DPTE, might actually provide greater unhindered internal space.

So there is an issue of scale (I used to get real frustrated in the BearPaw PyraTent, with the effort required to reach the closed lower zip from within - the plan dimensions make it too distant for easy access - maybe BP could provide arm extenders). By contrast, the Khufu just fits so much better.

...

Edited by rmeurant on 02/12/2014 21:44:47 MST.

Ross L
(Ross) - MLife

Locale: Beautiful BC
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 21:34:36 MST Print View

Greg
Fabric weight is .75 oz sq yd, height is 66 inches.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 23:18:32 MST Print View

A Comparison Table, including a Ruta Locura Lone Peak


MidTable5




Edit: Corrected weights and measures.

Edited by greg23 on 02/13/2014 11:13:31 MST.

Ross L
(Ross) - MLife

Locale: Beautiful BC
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HMG Ultamid Review on 02/12/2014 23:33:52 MST Print View

Greg
Looks like you inadvertently used the Ultamid fabric weight and dimensions for the Lone Peak on your revised comparison chart.
Cheers
Ross

Andy Jarman
(AndyJarman) - M

Locale: Edge of the World
Metric conversions on 02/13/2014 03:31:17 MST Print View

Thanks for this article, very interesting. Can you just check your metric conversions (under the photo and again in the table), 500cm means the thing is about 16ft long doesn't it!?

I have always been put off by the lack of mossie proofing in a mid and when I need privacy and a bugless nights sleep I have stuck with my heavy old Hubba (when will they put a roof vent on those things, sometimes its drier outside than in!) .

In Australia we rarely encounter real soil to put pegs into, so the hexamid is sadly a non starter here (hence the Hubba which holds itself up). A four cornered mid is a bit more enticing, we have plenty of rocks!!

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/13/2014 07:38:28 MST Print View

Hi all, sorry I'm slow responding to your comments. We gave a LW backpacking presentation yesterday evening, and this morning we are leaving for a 4-day hut trip. I think I need to slow down, someday. I will respond to questions and make corrections to the article early next week when I return. Cheers! Will

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/13/2014 07:53:50 MST Print View

In my experience, vents like that do very little. Not enough area.

If it's not windy or raining and condensation is a problem, leave door open all the way. It would be better if door went all the way to the peak. That provides enough area to do some venting, but you can still get condensation.

J P
(jpovs) - F - M

Locale: North Shore
Re: Comparison with the Locus Khufu and use of DPTE on 02/13/2014 10:27:16 MST Print View

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Edited by jpovs on 06/15/2014 14:01:39 MDT.

Andy Jarman
(AndyJarman) - M

Locale: Edge of the World
HMG Ulta Mid Vs Bear Paw Pyra 2? on 02/13/2014 17:47:06 MST Print View

Having complained about no mossie net (my post above) I took a look at the Bear Paw Pyra 2. Lo ! it can be fitted with an internal mossie net/bug bivy, hurrah.

Now, what I'd really like to know is why would I look at an HMG Ulta Mid when the Bear Paw Pyra 2 is nearly half the price, lighter, the same size AND I can add a bug bivy during mossie season? Can anyone shed light on any pros and cons between these two shelters?

Edited by AndyJarman on 02/13/2014 18:09:10 MST.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/14/2014 16:27:49 MST Print View

From Kevin :
"aggressive caternary cut in the corner "
If you still have the shelter try this :
When you stake down the corners don't pull the fabric taut but leave some slack.
(the more tension you have on the 4 sides before putting the pole in , the greater the catenary curve will be)
Once you place the pole in and it is up then pull the corners taut if they need to be.
May not work for you but try it.

Tom Clark
(TomClark) - MLife

Locale: East Coast
Sloped door on 02/15/2014 06:18:29 MST Print View

Could those people that have used shelters of this type comment on how the sloped entrance works on a rainy night? It does seem like LOTS of water could come in during avery short time if you have to get out during storm. I ask this because I often camp with my kids, and there is little hope of controlling when they decide to go.
Thanks,
Tom

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Sloped door on 02/15/2014 08:15:17 MST Print View

Don't put anything below the door. Consider that spot an entrance area. Close door, shake off rain jacket and put aside. Move to the other area that's dry.

With one person, I open the door on one side and leave the other side closed, where my sleeping bag is, dry.

With two people, I stake the middle of both panels, so the wet area is in the center, and the foot of both sleeping bags points point to the corners on both sides.

Kids are maybe a little less under control - harder to constrain water to just that one spot.

Edward Jursek
(nedjursek@gmail.com) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
UltraMid Review on 02/15/2014 19:59:27 MST Print View

After posting complaints over editorial drift into areas like pack rafting and heavy backpacks, it is nice to see a review of a newish UL product. I have always enjoyed Will's reviews.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Sloped door on 02/15/2014 20:31:49 MST Print View

---- drifting ----

Tom -
"Could those people that have used shelters of this type comment on how the sloped entrance works on a rainy night? It does seem like LOTS of water could come in during avery short time if you have to get out during storm. I ask this because I often camp with my kids, and there is little hope of controlling when they decide to go."

Have you considered a Mountain Laurel Designs' TrailStar?

TrailStar
It's got a very functional all-weather entry...


...or a SuperMid

SuperMid

...in "half-door" mode?


----- end drift

Edited by greg23 on 02/15/2014 20:46:35 MST.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/16/2014 10:06:15 MST Print View

"Taking into account that a center pole is required for these shelters (unless you suspend it from a tree branch), the narrower Mids (60 and 64 in/152 to 163 cm wide) seem inadequate for two sleepers; the wider widths would be preferred, especially if you use it for winter camping."

At another site one reviewer of a center pole tent liked the center pole as a nice divider between users. My wife and I are usually debating which of us is over the center line. Center pole might be good for us?

Is the center pole really a problem for two sleeping people? Neither of them should be taking up the center spot anyway.

Edited by lyrad1 on 02/16/2014 10:52:31 MST.

Will Rietveld
(WilliWabbit) - MLife

Locale: Southwest Colorado
Re: Hyperlite Mountain Gear UltaMid 2 Shelter Review on 02/17/2014 12:00:28 MST Print View

Sorry for the delay in responding to your questions.

CORNER CATENARY CURVES: The corners do have a catenary curve, and yes that does reduce interior headroom. Raising the shelter up a bit helps a lot to increase sidewall headroom. It snowed on the shelter only one time when I was testing it. It was about 1" of wet snow that stuck to the tent; it really flattend the lower sides of the shelter and did not readily come off. It was not very inhabitable under those conditions. I did not use the shelter for camping in dryer snow.

CUBEN FIBER WEIGHTS: I incorrectly stated that HMG uses a heavier weight of Cuben Fiber. Upon further research I find there is some variation in the stated weight from .74 to .78 g/sm, but in fact they are all exactly the same thing. Only ZPacks uses a lighter weight. CT2E.08, about 26g/sqm, .75oz sq.yd, break strength 105 lb/in is the Cuben Fiber used by most manufacturers; CT1E.08, about 18g/sqm, .53oz sq.yd, break strength 68 lb/in is the one used by ZPacks.

SEAM CONSTRUCTION: The four corner seams have two lines of stitching and are taped on both sides with 1.25" wide Cuben tape. See photo below.

HMG UltaMid Seam