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Scott Hayden
(Spiffyguy) - F
Windshirt Question on 01/31/2014 23:06:32 MST Print View

Montane FeatherLite Smock for 30 bucks or the Patagonia Houdini for 70? Montane has no hood. I am assuming these are both 2013 closeouts. Not sure exact weights, would be XXL in the Montane and XL in Patagonia. Came to the conclusion my Tyvek job is not going to cut it. I do carry a rain jacket so not too concerned about the DWR.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Windshirt Question on 01/31/2014 23:43:43 MST Print View

You could spend $30 on socks! Good deals on both, but is the hood worth $40? Do you normally wear some sort of cap anyway? The one nice thing about a hood is that you can't lose it and you don't have to dig it out of your pack. I do prefer a full front zip and a hood.

hwc 1954
(wcollings) - M
Trail wind hoody on 01/31/2014 23:57:21 MST Print View

Sierra Trading Post has the Marmot Trail Wind Hoody for $52. Sign up for their e-mail list and you should get 35% off discount codes by e-mail, so under $40. Ultra light unlined windshirt/hoody. I think it weighs 5 ounces. Stuffs in its own pocket. I wear it more than any other jacket for hiking or travel in the summer when almost anything else would be too hot.

Ito Jakuchu
(jakuchu) - MLife

Locale: Japan
hoody on 02/01/2014 05:40:13 MST Print View

I always always want to have a hoody on my wind shirt. I use my hoody almost every time I wear my wind shirt.

I bought a wind shirt without a hood once on a good deal. I never wear it so I consider it a bit of a €40 loss (I will pass it along to somebody that can use it eventually).

So, unless you are racing (running or bike), I personally would buy the hoody, or search for another hoody for less.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: hoody on 02/01/2014 05:48:59 MST Print View

That's a personal thing. My windshirt has no hood currently and I have no problem with that.

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Hood on 02/01/2014 05:51:17 MST Print View

I used a hood less windshirt for a couple of years until switching to a Houdini. I don't think I would go back, I found the hood quite useful from hiking to sleeping.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 02/01/2014 05:58:52 MST Print View

I use a montbell tachyon anorak, 2.3oz. -$60

Regarding a hood, it's a necessity personally! For the extra weight it will provide much more warmth and keep water out and off your head.

During summer trips I use my sensory as a rain shell so a hood is a must. All in all combined with a shirt and a beanie a wind shirt provides a TON of warmth for the weight.

Edited by M.L on 02/01/2014 06:01:49 MST.

Scott S
(sschloss1) - F

Locale: New England
re: Windshirt Question on 02/01/2014 06:33:36 MST Print View

I love the hood on my Houdini. Despite having used it many, many times, I am always surprised at how much warmer I am with that thin piece of fabric over my head. On a cold, windy morning, the hood can be the difference between being cold and being warm enough to enjoy my hike.

If I didn't have a hooded windshirt, I'd probably have to use some kind of fleece beanie instead on cold days. I think that hoods are better because they provide better coverage of your ears and neck and the sides of your face, and they're way more breathable.

Andrew U
(anarkhos) - M

Locale: Colorado, Wyoming
Re: re: Windshirt Question on 02/01/2014 07:32:01 MST Print View

+1 on the Houdini

I almost never bring a beanie for anything except winter. 3+ season I wear a brimmed sun hat and layer appropriately with a fleece wind pro earband and then hoods. We all layer torso, why not the head too?

Wind blows (pun!) when it shoots down your neck and zaps all that warm air against your torso. For extremely minimal weight gain a hood is mandatory on everything I take outside except base layers. But hey, I backpack a lot in Wyoming; maybe you don't have to hike in the windiest place on Earth. :)

Scott Hayden
(Spiffyguy) - F
Hood on 02/01/2014 08:02:31 MST Print View

I have put up the hood on my DIY tyvek and it was not bad. I guess it is worth having the option. So here is where I am at. What is your choice of these three? I have heard the 2013 houdini was not as good. Don't think I would mind the pull over action of the Tachyon but is a full zip a better option. Certainly like the weight though.

Tachyon Anorak Jacket - Hooded - 2.3oz $52 (coupon to 40? Decent Colors) STP
Patagonia Houdini - Hooded - 4oz - $70 (Blue, Purple or lime green)Backcountry
Marmot Ion Hoodie - Hooded - 5oz - $52 (coupon to 45. Lime Green)Campsaver

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Hood on 02/01/2014 10:07:59 MST Print View

Would echo what a lot of other folks have already said, hoods are great because they are versatile at very little weight.

Don't think i would ever buy a windjacket without a hood at this point.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
USED! on 02/01/2014 10:23:19 MST Print View

I saw a USED Houdini go for $60 on eBay...!

They hold their value better than my new car on the day after I bought it.

Edited by Bolster on 02/01/2014 10:25:30 MST.

Scott Hayden
(Spiffyguy) - F
Houdini on 02/01/2014 11:22:43 MST Print View

Normally I would have just got the houdini as it seems the #1 recommended windshirt. But after reading some threads on here and the complaints about the breathability I needed to do a discount double check on it.

I was incorrect in my sourcing too, the Tachyon is at campsaver and the Marmot Ion is at STP. So between these 3, is the recommendation to just get houdini and be done?

Andrew U
(anarkhos) - M

Locale: Colorado, Wyoming
Re: Houdini on 02/01/2014 15:01:53 MST Print View

I would say yes to just get the Houdini, but I have no direct personal experience with the other windshirts mentioned.

It seems the general consensus is the Houdini is overall the best available shirt in this price range. Is it worth double the price of a shirt of only marginally less overall quality? Probably not, but it is still 'better.'

If cost is not really an issue, get the Houdini. If you feel like that extra $30 could be much better spent elsewhere, go with one of the others. No matter what you choose they all seem to be able to fulfill the same role satisfactorily.

Scott Hayden
(Spiffyguy) - F
Kool-aid on 02/01/2014 16:07:26 MST Print View

Mmmm the Kool-aid is good. Houdini on the way. Thanks for all the insight folks.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: London, UK
Re: Kool-aid on 02/01/2014 16:38:10 MST Print View

If you waited another 10days or so, you might have got a Houdini direct from Patagonia during their Feb bi-annual 50% OFF sale, or ~$49. I paid $43 for mine a few years ago.

Edited by rmjapan on 02/01/2014 16:38:59 MST.

Scott Hayden
(Spiffyguy) - F
Patagonia on 02/01/2014 17:26:56 MST Print View

Bah. I checked their site and saw it on sale for same price as backcountry. Was't sure if they had free shipping so I got it at backcountry. No worries I guess. Hope it shows by friday, i have a trip.

Paul Hatfield
(clear_blue_skies) - F
Windshirt on 02/01/2014 18:36:32 MST Print View

If you want a highly-breathable windshirt that is lightweight, the choices are very limited at this time. In the lightweight category, I think the only currently available options are:

Arcteryx Incendo
Westcomb Crest
"Faux-dini" eBay special (very inexpensive and lightweight, but lacks hood and sleeves are short)

If you are willing to carry some extra weight, then there are a few more options that fall more towards the soft-shell side:
Rab Boreas
Rab Vapour Rise Lite
Mountain Hardwear Chocklite
Outdoor Research Ferrosi
Outdoor Research Whirlwind

I don't have personal experience with any of these, except the Ferrosi, but this is the information that I've gleaned from reading the other windshirt threads. The current version of the Houdini has poor breathability. The Stoic Wraith is no longer available.

Edited by clear_blue_skies on 02/01/2014 18:37:42 MST.

hwc 1954
(wcollings) - M
Lots of options on 02/01/2014 20:27:32 MST Print View

>> If you want a highly-breathable windshirt that is lightweight, the choices are very limited at this time. In the lightweight category, I think the only currently available options are:

Arcteryx Incendo
Westcomb Crest
"Faux-dini" eBay special (very inexpensive and lightweight, but lacks hood and sleeves are short)<<

I must be missing something. The Arcteryx is 4.4 ounces with no hood. The Marmot Trail Wind Hoody - with zipper chest pocket, drawstring hem, and drawstring hood adjusters is 4.9 ounces. I just weighed mine (Men's Medium). It is extremely breathable.

All of the running companies make versions of ultra-light unlined wind breaker hoodies. Brooks makes one (their LSD jacket) that is 4.3 ounces (with no adjusters on the hood).

http://www.brooksrunning.com/LSD-Lite-Jacket-III/210429,default,pd.html

There are tons of options in this category. These can often be found for under $50.

Paul Hatfield
(clear_blue_skies) - F
Options on 02/01/2014 21:47:52 MST Print View

> I must be missing something. The Arcteryx is 4.4 ounces with no hood.

The Arcteryx Incendo Hoody has a hood.

> The Marmot Trail Wind Hoody...is extremely breathable.

How easily can you breath through the fabric? (Not just through the underarm vent area.) By the way, I believe it is discontinued product. And I don't see it for cheaper than $80 for a men's medium.

> http://www.brooksrunning.com/LSD-Lite-Jacket-III/210429,default,pd.html

The drawback that I see to it is that it has back vents which I don't think are useful or desirable for backpackers.

> All of the running companies make versions of ultra-light unlined
> wind breaker hoodies.

Perhaps you can suggest some of those.