Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices"
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Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Reply to Kat. on 01/29/2014 12:34:59 MST Print View

> is it unethical in your opinion to buy a house and ten years later sell it for
> more than you paid for?

Kat,
No disrespect intended. I wanted to respond to your question, because it was valid.

A house building with no additional upgrades depreciates in value due to weather, and deterioration, however the land supposedly can appreciate or depreciate because of external factors such as high/low crime rate, school district, surrounding neighbors, flood zoning, nearby attractions, regional job market, etc...

House A in City X identical build to House A in City Z will not have same value, so the valuation will differ. It's not an identical match due to many external variables.

However, a factory made outdoors product being sold at the retail store is in the best condition. In some cases the individual reselling a product may have a less than best condition, and now without receipt return option, manufacturer warranty, and possibly item has been circulating in the consumer market, outside the retail market.

A house resale value is not a good comparision to a backpacking retail shelf product resold without inspection.

Edited by RogerDodger on 01/29/2014 14:14:21 MST.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Reply to Kat. on 01/29/2014 17:34:38 MST Print View

I get your point Roger, but I still have to meet someone that during the housing bubble would not take more than they paid for when selling their house, irregardless of improvements.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/02/2014 21:09:05 MST Print View

I find all this really wierd. Here we have America, the champion of freedom, independence and capitalism for the whole world ... and a few people want heavy-handed rules and regulations about what a vendor can ask for some goods.

You might get that sort of state interference in a Communist or Fascist society, but here in the free world on the internet????????

I boggle. If you don't like the price, don't buy!
If you want to mention that the price is too high (for whatever reason), feel free to do so (politely).
It's a free world!

Cheers

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/02/2014 21:23:50 MST Print View

+1 Roger.
All we need is more rules ...

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Re: Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/02/2014 23:26:52 MST Print View

Roger Caffin, Kat,

I am not against the free market, profit and Capitalism in the real world.
I am not looking to shutdown eBay and Amazon.

Kat used the example of the real estate market boom and many profited from selling at high prices. That's the free market that I'm totally OK with.

What I am whining about (more cheese with that wine please) is that BPL is a community. Amazon and eBay are are free markets without a community.

When selling a product to your brother (assuming you like your brother,) or selling a car to your son, or selling a power tool to a member of your adventure club, or buying a used piano from someone in your church community, do you gouge with the intent to make an excessive profit? or do you set a fair value price, based on the original price of a brand new item at a retail store, then reduce a percentage based on age and condition. That's ethics, and good karma. You can't legislate ethics.

Buying a new product from a retailer for price 1X, then a week later trying to resell for 3X on Gear Swap, when it's still available at the retailer for 1X is disrespectful to the BPL community. Again, you can't legislate respect.

Here's how I used to see it. Community meant trust. I definitely don't trust the dark back alleys merchants of eBay and Amazon marketplace (or Silk Road anyone?) so they have a rating and sellers reputation, to close the gap.

Here on BPL, where people debate for 10 pages the nano weight of lint, formed a community of free advice and freely share MYOG tips. So it's only reasonable to think that when selling a product among members, the price would be set in good faith and honesty.

Look at the profile of some of those posters on Gear Swap, they are using their BPL presence to profiteer and exploit. They take more out then they put in.

But in the end, this is your site Roger Caffin. You set the policy.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/03/2014 08:53:34 MST Print View

"But in the end, this is your site Roger Caffin. You set the policy."

I think that's twice you've said that, but it's not true. Roger is simply a moderator (well, and a sometime rabble-rouser, but he is an Aussie, so it's expected). This is Ryan Jordan's site. Ryan sets the policy, not Roger.

"What I am whining about (more cheese with that wine please) is that BPL is a community. Amazon and eBay are are free markets without a community."

I think many of us see it as a community, but obviously many don't. They're here to sell stuff and read stuff, not to contribute or communicate. And that's okay, it's allowed. It's not how I choose to use the site, it's not how many others choose to use the site. But, really, every community has 'members' who don't really participate or contribute, BPL is no different. It's pretty easy to recognize those folks, and interface with them accordingly, FWIW.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/03/2014 09:11:10 MST Print View

I have no problem with gear swap. I feel like it would be improper of me to post something like "you can get that for the same price new" or whatever.


"Kat used the example of the real estate market boom and many profited from selling at high prices. That's the free market that I'm totally OK with."

I have a huge problem with real estate bubble. It was precipitated by loans that were made to people that couldn't afford it. Because a bunch of scamster bankers were make mega money "packaging" these loans and selling to people that didn't know they were junk. Because they paid off politicians to eliminate regulations. And then, the bubble inevitably crashed, which then took down the world economy.

This is the problem with "the free market". Inevitably, insiders scam unsuspecting people and you get bubbles and crashes.

Leading up to the 1930s "great depression" there were a series of great depressions, then they put those regulations in the 1930s, things were much calmer until the Reagan/Friedman/Clinton/Bush free market repeal of those regulations.

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/03/2014 09:14:52 MST Print View

Doug,
Thanks for the correction.

I've beat the dead horse dead-er-er far into it's next 12 reincarnations.

This dead horse meat topic is ready to be served in the Canadian school lunch cafeteria :)

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Boat re-sale and karma on 02/03/2014 10:56:44 MST Print View

This is an area where it's best to let adults negotiate what they think is a fair price regardless of the seller's desire to make a profit. Of course my wife would quickly mention that I'm an overgrown man-child so I have to reconsider my qualifications to enter into these agreements.

Edited by IDBLOOM on 02/03/2014 13:39:05 MST.

Damian Chavez
(DamianC) - F

Locale: Southern California
PM sent on 02/03/2014 13:34:46 MST Print View

"I have 20 used assorted tea bags, soaked once, slightly used,  HAHA. I'm selling the lot for $20, I secretly only paid $3 new."

Pics?

David Olsen
(bivysack.com) - F

Locale: Channeled Scablands
lolly on 02/03/2014 16:45:59 MST Print View

I have a black licorice lolly pop for sale. Don't really care for the black. As a bonus, it has been unwrapped for quick access and pre-moistened.

Edited by bivysack.com on 02/03/2014 20:58:36 MST.

Brian Crain
(brcrain) - F

Locale: So Cal
Re: lolly on 02/03/2014 17:42:19 MST Print View

"I have a black licorice lolly pop for sales. Don't really care for the black. As a bonus, it has been unwrapped for quick access and pre-moistened."

I'm looking specifically for one with the stick modded to a length of 22mm - or removed and replaced with a ti rod - so as to bring the total weight under 28 grams. Thanks for the offer though.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: lolly on 02/03/2014 18:25:15 MST Print View

I hate licorice

thanks anyway

Sumi Wada
(DetroitTigerFan) - F

Locale: Ann Arbor
Re: Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices" on 02/05/2014 07:51:19 MST Print View

Ultimately, I think *most* of us here would agree that it's gauche to use the Gear Swap as a profit-making tool, and would find it offensive if someone was blatantly doing so.

I would also guess that if it became obvious someone was using the site just to flip gear, it would be noted. So, basically, we're talking "etiquette" and relying on peer pressure to enforce. No rules necessary.

But that's not the same thing as tarring-and-feathering someone who may have made a few bucks once, and the implication that it's the greedy-American attitude that's letting him/her get away with it.

JMO.

Tony Ronco
(tr-browsing) - MLife
RE: Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices on 02/05/2014 08:27:32 MST Print View

Another + 1 on Roger Caffin's reply.

Caveat emptor

IMHO, Buyers (= adults) do indeed have a responsibility to research the both item being offered and the seller's history on this forum.



RE: "I have a black licorice lolly pop for sale. Don't really care for the black. As a bonus, it has been unwrapped for quick access and pre-moistened."

Q: Is this the pre-2013 model or the 2013 model?

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Re: Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices" (Reply to Sumi) on 02/05/2014 09:37:15 MST Print View

> So, basically, we're talking "etiquette" and relying on peer pressure to enforce.

I agree Sumi.

I would like to read more from you on how this is done politely, without the tar/feather, McArthy/Witch hunt.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices" (Reply to Sumi) on 02/05/2014 10:18:32 MST Print View

Is it inconsistent with etiquette to use Gear Swap blatently as profit making tool?

I don't care, I don't buy or sell and don't really mind reading posts from others.

Maybe the only etiquette is to not take someone's money without shipping what you said?

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices" (Reply to Sumi) on 02/05/2014 10:21:09 MST Print View

"I would like to read more from you on how this is done politely, without the tar/feather, McArthy/Witch hunt."

I'm on a couple Facebook forums for buying/selling crap. The moderators and community actually prefer for all negotiations to be done on the thread instead of through PMs. I personally don't see anything wrong with respectfully explaining why you think an item is overpriced, what a fair price would be (in your opinion) and publicly posting a lower offer.

I've yet to sell anything on Gear Swap but I try to comment on the following after making a purchase

1. Item as described in the OP
2. Purchase price and date sold
3. Date mailed
4. Date/condition received as compared to how it was described

Keep it factual and the information will speak for itself imo.

Edited by IDBLOOM on 02/05/2014 10:46:03 MST.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: "Gear Swap Practices" on 02/05/2014 20:12:46 MST Print View

I gotta find some stuff to sell so I can p*ss someone off. This thread has some hilarious posts that I am sure were not meant to be.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Replies to Gear section thread "Gear Swap Practices" on 02/05/2014 20:47:00 MST Print View

"But that's not the same thing as tarring-and-feathering someone who may have made a few bucks once,..."


Just to note, the person i mentioned has well over 100 posts, and last i checked, only in gear swap, buying and selling.

They are clearly an Ebayer BPL member here. While i can't be certain, it's logical to assume they are here to make profit, to buy lower and sell higher when they can. Some see that as "ok", some don't, what'evs.

Also, pretty hard to tar and feather someone when you keep them completely anonymous. I didn't even hint so much as to the gender of the person.

Nuff said. Not even sure why this thread is still going on when i erased most of my posts, left the scene awhile back, etc.