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What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773
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Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Big four on 01/21/2014 08:39:19 MST Print View

Many big four combos depending on season ... this one for:
low temps >40*F
and biting insects

oz $
24.4 $40 pack Granite Gear Virga bought here on gear swap
15.2 $20 shelter MYOG shaped tarp (materials cost, Noah Lamport sil 2nds)
9.3 $35 shelter MYOG adapted from SMD Meteor plans (materials cost)
9.3 $120 pad original small TAR Neoair
16.4 $90 quilt MYOG, 3oz/yd Climashield, adequate to upper 30's (F) (materials cost)
74.6 $305
(4.7 lbs)

. Kirby
(Kirby805) - F
RE: What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773 on 01/21/2014 09:06:20 MST Print View

REI Flash 65 (trimmed down to 38oz) - $85
Thermarest Prolite+ (24oz) - $85
MH Phantom 45 (19oz) - $140
TT Rainbow with stakes (38oz) - $125

7.44lbs for $435

I got all 4 of these at great prices thanks to posts on Gear Deals or Gear Swap. So thanks yall.

Seth R
(Lerxst) - F

Locale: Northeast
Mine on 01/21/2014 09:19:17 MST Print View

5.875 lbs/$630

Tarptent Notch 31oz with everything and seam sealed. $259
Exped UL 7 16 oz $100
GoLite 1+ season quilt. 21oz $100
Gossamer Gear Gorilla 26oz $170

Matt Macaulay
(mmacaulay1) - F

Locale: Texas
Big 4 on 01/21/2014 13:01:16 MST Print View

Love this thread. Would have been very helpful when I was starting out just to see what folks out there actually use. I do most of my hiking in Texas. East Texas = hammock. West Texas = tent.

The Air (preferred): 85oz/5.3lbs $1,045

Warbonnet Blackbird hammock w webbing and buckles: 24oz $140 on sale
Zpacks hammock tarp w lines: 8oz $250
EE RevX 30 degree wide: 22oz $200 approx.
Te-wa 3/4 underquilt 20 degree custom: 14oz $160 discounted
Zpacks Arc Blast: 17oz $295

The Ground: 68oz/4.25lbs $925

Zpacks Hexamid Twin w lines, stakes, and groundsheet: 20oz $360 gear swap
EE Rev X 30 degree wide: 22oz $200 approx.
TR Neo Air Short: 9oz $70 on sale
Zpacks Arc Blast: 17oz $295

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Big 4 on 01/21/2014 16:30:22 MST Print View

for avg trip i.e. 3 season with wife

Scarp2 shell --- 42oz $365 (Incl inner)
LG and reg Xlites --- 28oz $200
Zpacks twin quilt --- 24oz $575 (technically free- Thanks, Pops!!)
Zimmerbuilt --- 32oz $200 (incl aftermkt hipbelt)
REI Flash 45 --- 32oz $160

=158oz $1500

Prices and weights are approximate

Again: list is for two people

Unless I camp "Wizard Style", then its:
Find a TaunTaun to cut open and sleep in. its my tent, pad, and insulation 0oz and $0
and I don't need a pack cause I enslave children to carry my other gear 0oz and $0

Game over

Edited by WoodenWizard on 01/21/2014 16:47:07 MST.

rick .

Locale: NYC
5lbs / $500 on 01/21/2014 16:50:03 MST Print View

SMD Swift - 18.5oz (with belt) $100 (40% off sale)
Tarptent Contrail 29oz, 32oz fully outfitted with groundsheet stakes etc. $200
Thermarest Z-lite small 10oz $25
EMS Velocity 35, 29oz on deep sale, I forget $125?
(replacing this with a MYOG down quilt, 90% sewn, ~18-20oz, $160).

89.5oz / 5.6 lbs (5.0lbs when the quilt is done). $450.

Rick Sutton
(rickcsutton) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re Big 4 weigh / cost on 01/24/2014 22:33:49 MST Print View

Zpacks Zero - 8.6 oz / $ 210 (New)
GG Nightlite (Modified) - 4.2 oz / $ 20 (New - Sale)
Zpacks 30 degree, long, wide w/down hat - 18.3 oz / $ 445 (Bargain Bin Bag, New Hat)
MLD Patrol & Serenity Shelters, lines & stakes - 15.4 oz / $ 600 New

TOTALS = 46.5 oz (2.9 pounds) / $ 1,275

Jonathan Chin
(JonRC) - MLife

Locale: Northwoods
Big 4 cost & weight on 01/29/2014 10:33:23 MST Print View

Gossamer Gear Gorilla 23oz $50 used on Gear Swap
EE RevX 20 (850 fill) 22oz $220 new
NeoAir XLite 12oz $85 used on eBay
SMD Gatewood Cape 11oz $85 used on Gear Swap

Total: 68oz, $440

Weights are approximate, as listed. Add ~1.5oz for polycryo ground cloth. Also, the Gatewood Cape saves ~12oz by doubling as rain coat & pack cover.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
Ouch on 01/29/2014 11:54:47 MST Print View

Let's see... currently

Big Agnes Seedhouse SL1/footprint - 2 lb 12 ounces
Golite Feather 20 - 1 lb 15 oz
Exped Synmat 7 UL M - 16.2 oz
REI Flash 65 M - 3 lb 2 oz

so 8.825 lbs total... heavy by standards around here.

All were bought used or clearance so... around $475 I believe.

Josh Thomas
(JtPeso) - M

Locale: Louisville, Ky
Big Four on 01/29/2014 12:09:46 MST Print View

Depending on season, but here's the mainstays ...

Pack: ULA Circuit, 34 oz, $225
Pad: Exped Synmat UL 7, 15 oz, $150
Bag: MB UL Spiral #3, 20 oz, $259
Tent: BSI Revo 1P, 34 oz, $329

For a grand total of 103 oz (6.4 lbs) and $963.

Barry P
(BarryP) - F

Locale: Eastern Idaho (moved from Midwest)
Re: What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773 on 01/29/2014 16:15:50 MST Print View

Murmer w/ backpad 9 $100
Hexamid + line + stakes + ground cloth 13 $275
Zpack proto 20F quilt 17 $275
neoair small 9 $80
Total = 48oz (3lbs) $730

John Almond
(FLRider) - F

Locale: The Southeast
DIY... on 01/30/2014 07:43:53 MST Print View

If I don't include prototyping, the costs and weights are as follows:

DIY Molly Mac Pack: 40 oz, ~$75.00
DIY Gathered-End Hammock: 13.5 oz, including suspension, ~$30.00
DIY Tarp: 8.75 oz, ~$40.00
Poncho Liner Top Quilt: 24 oz, $20.00

20º to 40º F:
DIY Underquilt: 16 oz, $140.00
Supplementary Clothing: 24 oz, ~$60.00

40º to 50º F:
DIY Underquilt: 16 oz, $140.00

Above 50º F:
Poncho/Undercover: 8 oz, $35.00
Space Blanket: 0.5 oz, $7.00


20º to 40º: 126.25 oz/7 lbs, 14.25 oz, $365.00
40º to 50º: 102.25 oz/6 lbs, 6.25 oz, $305.00
50º+: 94.75 oz/5 lbs, 14.75 oz, $207.00

I'm pretty happy with that. I do intend upon switching to a different (probably lighter) pack this year, but that's a ways off. I also intend upon doing a down top quilt some time this year, but...again...yeah...

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Um.... on 01/30/2014 07:50:56 MST Print View

Denial is my friend..............
And it ain't just a river in Egypt.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: DIY... on 01/30/2014 07:56:54 MST Print View

"If I don't include prototyping, the costs and weights are as follows:"

Ha, ha, ha,... that's a good one : ) I guess the costs of prototypes are entertainment.

prolite pad - 16 ounces - $100
frameless MYOG pack - 16 ounces - $50?
MYOG hybrid down quilt/bivy - 24 ounces - $100?
MYOG "half pyramid" tarp - 21 ounces including stakes and pole (which is also part of my pack) - $100?

5 pounds total

Above 32 F I use synthetic vest that weighs 7 ounces, below 32 F down to about 20 F I use down vest that weighs 8.5 ounces. I also add balaclava that weighs 3 ounces and booties that weigh 4 ounces so I only add 8.5 ounces for very cold weather.

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
Wow. I've spent more than I thought... on 01/30/2014 08:32:24 MST Print View

I assume that you are inquiring about "typical 3-season kit?"

WM Megalite
$400? 23oz

MLD Duomid
$215 20oz

MLD Superlight bivy with cuben floor
$245? 5.7oz

MLD Burn pack
$175 11oz

GG Thinlight pad (x2)
$16 2.5oz each



64.7oz = 4.04 lbs


I got the Megalite on sale for significantly less than $400, but I don't remember what it was exactly. Likewise, I got a deal on the Superlight (it had been sitting on their shelves) but I don't remember it exactly.

The MLD Burn is my usual 3-season weekend pack, but for longer trips I tend to use an Osprey Exos 58. One of these days I'll get a larger MLD pack and sell the Exos.

I have a stack of Thinlight and similar pads and I just take as many as I need. Usually this is two- one outside the bivy and one inside.

Edited by acrosome on 01/30/2014 08:36:19 MST.

Phillip Asby
(PGAsby) - M

Locale: North Carolina
Interesting on 01/30/2014 08:37:42 MST Print View

I've gone back through some but still not all this thread.

I'm on the heavy side but not as skewed as I thought.

Truly I'm not sure with the big 4 I can get much lighter given that I just can't sleep on a small torso foam pad at 46 and a side sleeper - and that anything fully enclosed isn't much lighter than my Seedhouse SL1...

I could go with a frameless pack but given food/water and some other things I take due to backpacking with scouts mostly (so I have a slightly larger FAK for example and, yes, generally have a little extra food for scouts who've planned poorly - but only share after a good hard lesson in planning better) I am not sure my base weights would be comfortable without a frame...

As it is one assistant scoutmaster expressed concern on our last trip about whether I had everything I needed since I was packed in my Flash 65 with absolutely nothing dangling or strapped to the outside... (his pack was pretty tidy but it was an 80L pack... the rest of the troop looked like Grand Canyon mules...)

Ben Crocker
(alexdrewreed) - M

Locale: Kentucky
What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773 on 01/30/2014 09:12:55 MST Print View

My typical big 4:

Pack is a Zpacks Zero @ 5 oz. $90
Pad is a wide Xlite @ 16 oz. $125
+ GG thinlight @ 2.5 oz $16
Quilt EE Rev long/wide @ 20 oz $250(approx.)
Shelter is cuben trailstar @12 oz $350

Total is 55.5 oz - just under 3.5 pounds Cost = $831

Comment: The Zpacks Zero is big enough for most trips. If not, I add about 3-5 ounces for my old cuben blast. I should probably add my stakes. I typically don't take a bivy because the trailstar is so big. The trailstar is often shelter for 2 so could count as shared gear.

Dave Myers
(PatientWolf) - F

Locale: South Western Oklahoma
Re: Re: Big four on 01/30/2014 09:16:41 MST Print View

Lightheart Gear Solo 28oz/$245
SMD Swift 17.6oz/$110
POE Ether Elite 6 16oz/$100
WM Summerlite 19oz/$250

Total: 80.6oz (5 lbs) / $705

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773 on 01/30/2014 10:04:35 MST Print View

Kelty D4 External Frame Pack = 58 ounces @ $45
Chouinard Pyramid Shelter = 40 ounces @ $99
Blue Puma 35F sleeping bag = 30 ounces @ $200
Blue Foam Pad = 8 ounces @ $2.00

Total Weight 8 lbs, 8 ounces
Total Cost = $346

Cost per year = $11.08

Marty Cochran
(mcochran77) - F

Locale: Southern Oregon
Big 4 Total 70 oz, $790 on 01/30/2014 10:29:01 MST Print View

Pack: SMD Swift + pockets 19.6oz, $95 used
Pad: Exped Synmat UL 7 short, 15 oz, $110 sale
Bag: Zpacks 20 long 19.2oz, $355 retail
Tent: Zpacks Screened Hexamid+GC+stakes 15.9oz, $230 used

Total 70 oz, $790