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What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773
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Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: GAME OVER on 01/19/2014 22:34:20 MST Print View

"Sleeping bag- Mylar blanket. 2 oz. $4.99
Shelter- Natural. Free.
pack- Near weightless. Free
pad- pile of debris. Free (although I have been stung)"

Sir, you dare mock this serious discussion?

But seriously mine would be more like 3.5 if I was going for a "real" trip.

Edited by millonas on 01/19/2014 22:37:00 MST.

(onthecouchagain) - MLife

Locale: Sunny SoCal
big "four" on 01/19/2014 22:50:47 MST Print View

1. ZimmerBuilt Quickstep (full retail) $149.00 9oz

2. EE Enigma 30*, reg/wide (full retail) $215.00 17oz

3. MLD cuben Monk tarp (used gear swap) $110.00 5oz

4. KookaBay custom short pad (used gear swap) $40.00 7oz

so that's $514.00 for 38 ounces or 2lbs 6oz


Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Re: weight/cost on 01/19/2014 22:58:41 MST Print View

for PCT and CT in July, Aug, and Sept. Camping at altitudes up to 12,000 feet.

PACK - Six Moon Designs Traveler ..... 31 oz......$175 (no longer available)

SHELTER: Six Moon Designs Gatewood Cape ....11 oz....$125

PAD: zLite 20x72 ........14 oz......$20 from forum member

BAG: Western Mountaineering Hooded Aspen ...25°F ....32 oz....$300 (bought 15 years ago; current model is the Sycamore MF)

Total: 5 lbs 8 ounces
Cost: $620

If you bought the very same items today, the cost would be $815

NOTE: To be realistic, I need to add the weight of the following items which are needed to make the various systems work. Note that I don't usually carry the net tent (7 oz) for the shelter.

6 tent stakes plus lines = 4 oz.
Heatsheet 60x96 inch ground cloth = 3.1 oz.
dedicated sleeping socks = 2.8 oz.
2 36x1 inch webbing straps with buckles for use with pack's daisy chain = 2 oz.
eVent compression dry bag for sleeping bag = 5.2 oz.

That adds another 17.1 ounces and about $80, making the realistic total 6 lbs, 9 ounces at a cost of $700 (for me) or $885 if bought today.

I can cut a pound off both my pack and my sleeping bag, and 4 ounces off my shelter,but the cost is almost $1500. I can just as easily save 2 pounds by carrying one liter less water and carrying the gear that has proven itself over thousands of miles and many years.


Edited by wandering_bob on 01/19/2014 23:05:08 MST.

marcus hampton

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: GAME OVER on 01/19/2014 23:11:44 MST Print View

lol, Mark Millonas. Here's a slight intro.

Here's the video of my bear encounter.

Edited by TheCritter on 01/19/2014 23:39:11 MST.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: GAME OVER on 01/19/2014 23:39:40 MST Print View

Did that bear bite you? Have you noticed excessive hair growth and a desire to eat grubs? If so you may have become (or are developing into)a werebear - a sufficient explanation for "critter style" I believe.


Edit: In your video you seem, like Beorn (another famous werebear) in the hobbit, to have several dog minions - yet another sign. Largish sideburns, check.

Those two dogs looked so comfy it made me want to curl up on a rung somewhere.

Edited by millonas on 01/20/2014 01:01:59 MST.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
What's your big four weigh/cost? on 01/20/2014 00:46:06 MST Print View

Interesting exercise as I've never totaled the cost before. Seems that I bought all of my big 4 from the USA, so it cost me significantly more than the locals would pay for the same gear because of the exchange rate, international shipping charges and duty.

Total weight: 4.79 lbs
Cost: $1050

Edited by skopeo on 01/20/2014 00:47:02 MST.

Owen McMurrey
(OwenM) - F

Locale: SE US
Big 4 on 01/20/2014 01:22:13 MST Print View

This week, with temps possibly into single digits, a very comfort-driven 7.75lbs and $1k.

Osprey Exos 58
TT Notch with ZPacks Solo cuben floor
Marmot Pinnacle
Exped Downmat UL7

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Big 4 on 01/20/2014 07:57:57 MST Print View

Warbonnet Blackbird - 25oz/$160 -
zPacks hammock tarp with doors - 8.5 oz/$315
Hammock Gear Incubator 20 underquilt - 22 oz/$249
EnlightenedEquipment Enigma top quilt (30 degree) - 15.5 oz/$385
Elemental Horizons Kalais pack - 28 oz/$301

Total - 99oz (6.19 lbs)/$1410

Rota Locura Lone Peak - 30.25 oz/$690
OR (haven’t made up my mind yet)
HMG Ultamid2 - 17.6oz/$650
EnlightenedEquipment Enigma top quilt (30 degree) - 10.15 oz/$385
Enlightened Equipment Enigma top quilt (50 degree) - 9.75oz/$190
EE Cuben quilt liner - 2?oz/$80? (I really don’t remember what I paid, and I’ve never weighed the liner, so those are guesses)
NeoAir X-Therm regular pad - 15oz/$150
Polycryo ground sheet - 1.6 oz/$5
Elemental Horizons Kalais pack - 28 oz/$301

96.75oz(6.05 lbs)/$1528 (Lone Peak)
84.10z(5.26 lbs)$1488 (UltaMid)

(All weights/prices are those listed on the respective websites)

John H
(pastyj) - F

Locale: SE US
What's your big four weigh/cost? on 01/20/2014 08:21:30 MST Print View

I don't backpack in the's too darn hot in the SE. This is my late fall/winter/early spring setup, so I guess it is a 3-season setup for you northern folk.

ZPacks Duplex
WM Megalite Long
TAR Xlite Large
Granite Gear Crown VC

6.3 lbs, $1300

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
10 lbs on 01/20/2014 08:39:38 MST Print View

10 lbs and $200. But only the pack is ligbt (vapor trail). Still working at lightening things up.

Mitchell Ebbott
(mebbott) - M

Locale: SoCal
My big four are big on 01/20/2014 09:18:52 MST Print View

GoLite Shangri-La 2 - 1 lb 9 oz - $150
Kelty Cosmic Down 20 - 3 lb - $40
REI Flash Inflatable Pad - 1 lb - $25
GoLite Quest 80L - 3 lb 13 oz - $150

Cost: $365
Weight: 9.4 lb

I'll be replacing the pad with a SOLite soon, and the sleeping bag with an EE quilt when I get the money. After that, I'll look for a used Jam or similar.

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: What's your big four weigh/cost? Me- 2 lbs 8.4 oz/$773 on 01/20/2014 09:26:41 MST Print View

Oooh, I just want to know what categories everyone thinks they are in.

Like Lightweight, Ultralight, Super Ultralight, Super Duper Ultralight, or F'ing crazy, etc.

Doug a scale.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Categories on 01/20/2014 11:02:03 MST Print View

Categories? Whatever I want it to be :)

The real concept of ultralight is that you have real control over the weight of your kit, not what someone else tells you it should be. Once you're outside of the "should" box, you are free to roam the bright sunny world of Hike Your Own Hike.

I'm always "light enough" and generally "ultralight."

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: Re: Categories on 01/20/2014 11:26:31 MST Print View

I was being......


Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

WICKED cool idea. on 01/20/2014 11:31:01 MST Print View

Total: $1,057.00, 7.1lbs

Pack: Boreas Buttermilk 40- $184, 1lb 15oz
Bag: Mountain Hardwear Ultralamina 15º- $275, 2lb 13oz
Pad: Thermarest X-Lite Torso- $149, 11oz
Shelter: Big Agnes Fly Creek Platinum 1P- $449, 1lb 11oz

Of course, I was a poor college student when I bought the stuff, so I got everything on sale. The tent was like $250 and I returned 3 gifts to LL. Bean to get the sleeping bag, and the backpack was half off. I think I paid full price for the pad, though.

Good investment. Camping Gear > Textbooks

Tony Ronco
(tr-browsing) - MLife
Re: Big 4 ( = Big 3 + Sleeping Pad) on 01/20/2014 12:46:39 MST Print View

I own multiple selections for Big 3 / Big 4 gear out of my closet :-)

... but lately, this is the set I use most often:

PACK: Gossamer Gear Miniposa: 18.3 oz: $100 (Sale item - MSRP: $135)
SHELTER: Gossamer Gear SpinnTwin: 10.8 oz: $175
SLEEPING QUILT: Golite Ultra-20: 19.4 oz: $150 (Sale item - MSRP: $225)
SLEEPING PAD: Gossamer Gear Nightlight: 4.7 oz: $16 (new ones are more:MSRP: $24)

Total: 3 lb,5.2 oz: $441

Edited by tr-browsing on 01/20/2014 12:59:18 MST.

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Combining categories on 01/20/2014 13:08:03 MST Print View

I think I'm probably a F'ing Crazy Lightweight sort of guy.

Edited by Zia-Grill-Guy on 01/20/2014 14:13:16 MST.

Mark Ries
(mtmnmark) - M

Locale: IOWAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
big 5 cause I carry two pads on 01/20/2014 13:49:10 MST Print View

I've got other pricier gear but lately I've been buying gear swap. Tent six moons wild oasis 16oz stakes incl. $110 gear swap Pack granite gear virga 22 oz $60 gear swap. Bag MB super stretch ul 3 $100 gear swap 23 oz. Exped synmat ul which I cut in half and made 2 out of 8oz $60 exped sent it to me when my non ulsynmat bit the dust and price is 1/2 of what I paid with valve added in. 1/2 of a blue ridge ccf pad 5oz $10. So 4 lb 11oz $340 and this is actually what I've been using lately so I would label me ultra light and ultra cheap... I dunno maybe only cheap

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
big four weigh/cost? $12,784.93 on 01/20/2014 13:51:41 MST Print View

My big four cost me a ton of money to get to where I am now, $12,784.93 and counting.

The big problem I have is, I'm still not finished getting to where I want to be. Everytime I think I have what should be good to go. Doug, puts something on Gear Swap that I think I need because he had it (I must need it if he had it). Or, Dave C, does a review on a pack that costs $510 and after the review ,I have to have it. Or, Nick says the Mchale's are worth the money and there goes another $1,400.00 (just for 1/4 of my big four [it use to be the big tree, now the big four, I hope they don't come up with the big five; I'll have to sell the house])

Its a never ending cycle, for me. My kids look at my gear room and tell me I'm a hoarder (they told me they were going to call the TV show if I don't stop).

I would hate to have to weigh all my "big four" stuff at the same time; I wouldn't even make it into the LW catagory.

Critter, don't worry about me, keep up the good work and I appreciate your Videos (regardless of what I say)

Edited by bestbuilder on 01/20/2014 13:53:53 MST.

Ike Jutkowitz
(Ike) - M

Locale: Central Michigan
re: on 01/20/2014 14:17:22 MST Print View

"I think I'm probably a F'ing Crazy Lightweight sort of guy"