I've been thinking about skirts as opposed to pants as hiking clothes. In some ways they might be better. You wouldn't have to launder them as often and they would get less stinky I think. At least, this would probably be true for women. I wear pants most of the time and sort of prefer them, but I'm wondering if skirts might be more practical really. Has anybody tried a skirt on a long backpacking trip? What was your skirt made of?

Shannon,

I can't say I have ever worn a skirt! Howver, in Scotland, the kilt worn by both men and women was historically used not only as "THE" item of clothing to keep out the chilly Scotish weather, it also (because of the way it was folded when worn) was used as the blanket to lie on at night. Maybe you could make your own modern day ultralight kilt, that had waterproof fabric, a little bit of padding/quilting etc with corner loops etc. That way it could double as a shelter for you, clothing, a blanket to sleep in, picnic on. With the blanket ends folded over and stitched you could insert two cut down branches and make a stretcher for use in an emergency or a simple camp bed. With loops you could turn it into a hammock of sorts. You could cut a strip of for use as a bandage, keep a safety pin there as well to help keep it done up. Handly ultralight back packing survival tips could be printed on the sides. The possibilities are endless or am I just getting carried away!
Definately less stinky but then we all know what a scotsman wears under his kilt and thats nothing!!! I don't know if the female population out there are "That" into ultralight backpacking though!

Scott

I've seen both guys and girls use skirts on all or part of AT thru-hikes. I remember the positives being that they are lighter and cooler. I don't remember anyone mentioning negatives. Doesn't mean there weren't any, just that I don't remember. You can make a nylon skirt pretty easily and cheaply. My first recommendation might be to head to some thrift stores and hunt for silk or merino. My second recommendation would be to remember ot carry some lightweight wind pants as backup.

Well...

being brought up the way i have been & being an old geezer, fairly set in my ways, i'm not gonna' be caught dead in a skirt. That is...

until i see what sorta' of L/UL KILT Bill Fornshell can sew up. Then, only then, mind you...may I have someone sew up for me a KILT according to his plans. (Do I hear "Scotland, the Great", blowin' on the Pipes?) But, even then, i, for one, am gonna' be wearin' something underneath (unless Bill's Kilt has a removeable, or sewn-in, mesh lining that serves that purpose.)

Bill, any thoughts on how an authentic Scottish Kilt might be made to do at least UL quadruple duty (clothing, sleeping, rain gear, ???, etc.). It might need some type of zip-in bug netting though to protect the legs & 'undercarriage' fr/skeeters - in low, wet areas they sometimes come out in the early evening while the sun is gettin' lower in the western sky, as well as in the damp early morning. Not to mention all the Black Flies during the day in Maine.

Bill, we need pics though, just to be sure it's a workable design. Hey...if Airborne can wear a Kilt, then a Corpsman can try it too!!!

A question i have 'bout this is "What about ticks?". We have our fair share of them in the NE (the AT does have to pass through the NE - at least if you want to make it to Katadhin). A Kilt won't keep out the ticks now, will it?

True Story:
Have you ever had to remove a tick from b/t someone's buttocks? Comforting words like "It'll fall off on its own in 12-24hrs", or "Don't worry, it won't drink much.", or "We're in New England, cases of tick borne Rock Mtn. Spotted Fever are rare., or "Your perimeter defense has stopped the insurgence. It won't proceed any further - it has entrenched.", and "Don't worry, ticks are external parasites." Such words of comfort didn't seem to help any. Go figure?? [hey...if you were a tick, would you proceed any further???] That tick was just beggin' to be removed. ok...it was actually my hikin' bud who was doin' the beggin'. Well,... since my nickname in the military was 'Doc', the task fell to me. And that individual wasn't wearin' a Kilt (hiking shorts instead). I guess some DEET could be used on the legs to keep 'em fr/crawling up. Just something to think about (or NOT think about - not a pretty picture). Just another reason why I always wear long pants when I hike (others reasons are for sun & skeeter protection).

'ok', much more than 'nuff said. (by me at least. Still waitin' on Bill...)

Edited by pj on 07/20/2005 02:23:40 MDT.

I did make a Great Kilt like this web site shows:

url=(0057)http://www.meridies.org/as/dmir/Costume&Fashion/0924.html

http://www.rampantpress.netfirms.com/AModernApproachtoMakingaGreatKilt.htm












It is a lot of material and not light. The thought was that the expance of material would turn into something else and that would divide the weight. I used some nice woven material, not expensive, just nice. It is the Black Watch plaid. I only tried to put it on a couple of times. It is a lot of material and wearing it with a pack is going to be bulky and hot in warm weather.



About this same time I got my first shipment of the Cuben Fiber and I folded up the kilt and put it away. I will come back to this idea later, it is not dead yet.

And hopefully will not reappear made in Cuben Fiber material????!!!!

Edited by naturephoto1 on 07/20/2005 08:17:31 MDT.

It's funny you should mention the great kilt. I have been thinking about it as a very practical all purpose garment that doubles as a bed. I am a descendent of the MacDonalds of Keppoch, and I have worn a great kilt, even though I'm a woman. It's extremely practical for cool climates like the Isle of Skye. (The southern end of Skye never gets very cold either: there are huge fuschia hedges growing at the Clan Donald center!) I get a lot of funny looks wearing the great kilt in my neighborhood here in Tn. Neighbors said, "Why are you wearing your bedspread?" Which, as it turns out, is exactly what English visitors to Scotland in the 18th century said: "These people are so poor that they wear their bedclothes during the day." Or, you could put it another way: These people have such great lightitude that they have figured out multiple uses for their blankets, so they don't have to spend so much time spinning and weaving, and they have more time for brewing and dancing!

My kilt was too heavy as it had rayon as well as wool in it, and I made it into some pants, with some fabric left over.

Anyway I am going to Peru in August, both the jungle part and the Andes mountains. I am thinking a sarong would be good for the jungle, and a wool skirt for the Andes. Maybe not a kilt.

By the way, Hancock fabric stores are having great sales all during July, on spring and summer fabrics anyway.

--shannon

I would recommend a mesh insert when in mosquito country :)

Bill,

Not sure about the Kilt idea… But found some uses for the sword as a multipurpose tool assuming it’s made of lightweight titanium or some composite material.

1. A trekking pole / support for my tarp.
2. A replacement for my swiss army classic pocketknife.
3. A deterrent against problem bears.

Seriously, Your imagination & inventive skills are inspirational!

Roger

I think Flyfisher, Risk, Rick has the right idea. Breechclouts...

http://www.imrisk.com/breechclout/breechclout.htm

This looks pretty good and definitely light and easy to launder, but in one of those pictures a very pointy looking rock is jabbing his bottom pretty hard. Wonder how that feels.

Also, can women get away with this?

Nothing could be better.

Shannon,

Here in the UK a guy walked all the way from one end of the country to the other completely naked apart from his boots and a rucksack to make a statement of sorts. He got arrested several times during the trip and made the news many times as well. He is now repeating the journey but this time with his girlfriend who is also naked for a double kind of impact tothe media. So there you go, ultralight backpacking can be pushed even further if we just had the will or as we say in the UK the balls! Or in the case of his girlfriend, not, so to speak.

The beechclout garment looked interesting but I don't know if I could put up with the stares from the other travellers on the trail, so I dont think its for me!

Shannon,

Here in the UK a guy walked all the way from one end of the country to the other completely naked apart from his boots and a rucksack to make a statement of sorts. He got arrested several times during the trip and made the news many times as well. He is now repeating the journey but this time with his girlfriend who is also naked for a double kind of impact to the media. So there you go, ultralight backpacking can be pushed even further if we just had the will or as we say in the UK the balls! Or in the case of his girlfriend, not, so to speak.

The breechclout garment looked interesting but I don't know if I could put up with the stares from the other travellers on the trail, so I dont think its for me!

Edited by waterloggedwellies on 07/20/2005 18:50:52 MDT.

I have been thinking about this nekkid idea. It seems like the ultimate and logical extension of the idea of shedding unnecessary weight. Then I started thinking, what are clothes for really? In winter, obviously, they keep us warm; but why exactly do we wear them in summer? Ok, sometimes they keep mosquitoes and brambles away from your skin, but why do we wear them even when mosquitoes and brambles aren't around?

The only answer I could come up with is: we wear clothes because people in our culture wear clothes. It's a tautology, I know, but the only answer I could come up with.

So, I guess to get clothes to a minimum, you have to cover certain parts, but that's all. Maybe the ultimate light summer hiking wardrobe, to avoid arrest, would be pasties and a bikini bottom for women, and a speedo suit for men. Come to think of it, that might be very practical (except for the pasties; getting them on and off would be a pain). Bathing suits wash and dry quickly and easily.

My little niece, age three, calls her bikini her "apart" bathing suit.

If only we were that enlightened.

All puns incidental (well, maybe not)

Edited by kdesign on 07/20/2005 20:48:52 MDT.

on a more serious note, as was mentioned clothing serves to protect the skin: from skeeters, black flies, ticks, & the like; brambles, etc.; but also, the sun harmful rays.

Clothing also protects our shoulders & hips from chafing from pack straps & belts. Of course your body will, under certain circumstances, protect itself if given a chance. But, I don't think anyone wants slightly darkened, thickened skin or callouses on their shoulders or hips.

Clothing can keep our sleeping bag clean & rain gear freer of contaminating body oils & sweat. I'd rather launder my clothing, than my bag. (ok...so they make silk bag liners). IMHO, bags should be laundered only when necessary. proper laundering of a bag (whether synth. or down) is somewhat time consuming when it's done properly to avoid damaging the insulation.

In addition, just ask any bedouin (or Carol Crooker, sorry to drop your name, but you've posted on this previously & i feel your word carries far more wt. than mine) - i work with an engineer from morocco who knows something of this, proper attire, in layers, can even keep us cooler (depending upon level of physical exertion), in very hot conditions.

Clothing (or strips of clothing) can be made to do "double" duty in an emergency situation: bandages, sling, securing a split, etc. - just use your imagination (marking a trail,....the list just goes on and on...)

oh...and one more final reason...pockets. gotta' have pockets.

Sure, Bedouins wear clothes, but African bushmen don't, nor do some peoples who live in hot, humid jungles. I live in a hot humid jungle most of the time: Tennessee is like that in the summer, and Houston is like that all the time except for about a week in December.

I wonder if Bedouins wear clothes because their environment is so dry. Evaporative cooling just happens, whether you are dressed or not. In Houston, and right now in TN, you have to take your shirt off to be comfortable outside.

I wonder if the backpack chafing problem could be solved by backpack design? Maybe some kind of a soft fabric on the straps and pack, of course not so much that it negates the weight savings of not wearing clothes.

The sun protection thing is not much of a factor in the humid southeast, where we do most of our hiking in the woods under trees. It is a factor certainly when gardening or working outside around the farm.

So. CT.
yesterday's Heat index = 110
Temp ~92
Humidity: fortunately the prev. day's 87% rel hum. had declined to ~70%.

No problem with shirt on - scraped, sanded, & stained front (facing West) of house in the mid afternoon (~1530) after work.

Didn't realize Tn was so much worse.

I think it's been in the 90% range here for days. It rains every afternoon.