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Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 15:56:21 MDT Print View

This is Sea To Summit 1 person bug shelter that weighs in at 9 ounces and fits rather nicely into my Six Moon Designes Gatewood Cape. It hooks up at the center where the harness is for the pole. I am going to Yosemite this weekend to try it out. Just thought someone would like to see this.
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Edited by kennyhel77 on 07/11/2007 15:57:29 MDT.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 15:58:24 MDT Print View

Oh and sorry for the large photo file, I am a computer idiot.

Ross Bleakney
(rossbleakney) - MLife

Locale: Cascades
Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 17:40:17 MDT Print View

Very nice. I think this qualifies as a very light double walled tent. It looks like it is centered around your midsection. I think I might like it more if it was a bit more slanted towards the head. In other words, more room around the head, but less around the feet. Does the netting and the tarp have that flexibility?

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 17:56:36 MDT Print View

Ross, the netting is set up so that the head has a good foot to two feet of clearance. I am trying to figure out how to raise it a little more so that I can get the netting off of the feet. It can be done, I just need to play with it a bit more. After taking it down I realized how easy this whole set up was. I had everything in stuff sacks in a matter of a few minutes. Love it. For a total of 20 ounces I have a shelter and rain gear.

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 18:30:34 MDT Print View

Ken,

Very nice pics!

Two questions:

1) Is the mesh true noseeum? The tiny ones suck here in FL!

2) I'm 6'1" (w/big feet!) and was wondering if there is enough clearance in your setup (with or without netting) for someone my height?

Thanks, and great setup!
Todd

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 18:49:27 MDT Print View

Hey Todd, I am 6'1 also and I have enough room in the shelter to fit in it, even with it staked to the ground. In bad weather, I would assume that I would not be using the net. And no, it is not true no seeum. Sorry. For me in the Sierra's during buggy conditions it should be enough. I just like the way that this set up could work. For 20 ounces I get both full protection and a poncho for rainwear. The Six Moon Designs Gatewood Cape is awesome and I recommend it to everyone. As for the netting it is from Sea to Summit and I am sure that there are lighter nets out there..mayber Lynn Wheldon Gear or MLD but this has the line that attaches to the center of the cape wich works because the pole canopy set up is in the middle of the cape. Thanks for the interest guys.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 19:18:07 MDT Print View

Ken, I think you said in an earlier thread that you take your gear above treeline. After reading Will Rietveld's account of using his Gatewood in stormy weather above treeline I wondered if I could trust it in the Alps this summer. I've set mine up outside my apartment a number of times and always get the jitters when thinking of taking it high up... just seems so insubstantial. Of course I would be thinking of appropriate sites, where it isn't too exposed and such, but I wonder if I would be happy in it for a month of walking?

I'd also like to ask how long you made the tieout guylines. I've made mine each 16 inches long, as per Ron's instructions, but that doesn't seem long enough.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/11/2007 22:20:08 MDT Print View

Miguel..nice!!!! Sounds like you have had more fun figuring out your Cape than I have. Ummm six inch guylines. I just did not want the whole 16 inch per guyline but after reading yours, you have me thinking and now I do want to give that a try. I wonder if I did make it 16 inches with my netting would it improve the bug netting to more of a liveable space.. I would think so. You have my head spinning now with some cool ideas.

And yes, I would not hesitate taking this above treeline. None at all. I am still learning site selection but for me, the Sierra's always have natural breaks to use to your advantage. Though it is up to luck sometimes to find them. Nice one Miguel!! You made me think!!!

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 14:33:39 MDT Print View

Ken,

Thanks for the info.

carlos fernandez rivas
(pitagorin) - MLife

Locale: Galicia -Spain
Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 15:03:03 MDT Print View

Miguel i have a gatewood cape, its my favourite shelter and i spent some weeks in alps in summer the last 6 years

I use the GC frecuently above the tree line and while i think that you can use the GC in alps but sometimes there are very strong storms with heavy rain. I´m not sure if the GC can deal with these storms.

Edited by pitagorin on 07/12/2007 15:19:58 MDT.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 16:12:59 MDT Print View

Carlos, thanks so much for that information. Gives me a much better idea of what to expact. I'm just a little confused... you said that you used the GC above treeline in the Alps, but then say that it might not be able to deal with the storms there. Are you saying it is better not to take it then? Or do you still take it to the Alps? (•j•)?"

Kevin, sorry to hijack your thread; I seem to be doing a little too much of that lately...

Edited by butuki on 07/12/2007 16:13:39 MDT.

Jason Brinkman
(jbrinkmanboi) - MLife

Locale: Idaho
Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 16:34:22 MDT Print View

That's a cool setup. Does the S2S bug shelter have a floor? Also, just out of curiosity, have you considered the pros/cons of the S2S bug shelter versus a BMW Vapr Bivy with bug netting for essentially the same weight? Not sure which way I would go, but would appreciate other's perspectives.

Thinking out loud here...

The S2S bug shelter:
- Pros: Allows you to sit up, change, etc. with bug protection in place. Would probably be good for condensation purposes too.
- Cons: Doesn't add much more protection than what the cape provides above treeline.

The BMW Vapr Bivy with bug net:
- Pros: Provides additional warmth and protection from mist, splash, spin drift and wet ground.
- Cons: Tight confines of a bivy, cost.

Edited by jbrinkmanboi on 07/12/2007 16:34:53 MDT.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 16:54:09 MDT Print View

Jason, the bug shelter does not have a floor. I use a Gossamer Gear spin ground sheet cut where my head is to be the widest and trimmed down to my feet. I just tuck the netting underneath the the ground cloth. Again the reason that I like this set up is for two reasons, bug protection and the other is a two in one shelter. I had the Vapor trail bivy with the netting and felt claustrophobic. A great product but again my shelter serves two functions. Great questions!

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in my Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 17:25:06 MDT Print View

You're welcome Todd!

Patrick Baker
(WildMan) - F
Bug netting in Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 17:41:07 MDT Print View

9oz is the manufacturer weight.
What does it really weigh ?
(sorry, gram counter)

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/accessdetail.cfm/S2S605

It looks as though you enter by lifting the edge.
Are the corners staked through loops.

Good find, full protection & lighter than many options.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Bug netting in Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 18:12:05 MDT Print View

Patrick, manufacturers weight. I got mine at Rock Creek Outfittes for $27. It has 4 stake out points and yes you lift one of them up to enter. I am a big guy so it is a tad of squirm to get in. I am going to Yosemite for 3 days starting tomorrow. I will have a full report as to how well this performs. I was in Emmigrant last weekend and was eatin alive by mosquitos.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Bug netting in Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 18:16:22 MDT Print View

Oh and their are other options like Lynn Wheldon Gear, MLD, and Gossamer Gear that weighs in at 3 ounces but only have 1 left? A16 has another option at 6 ounces but comes in a pretty large stuff thing that just does not fit in my pack. Again the reason that I chose this one is because of where you attach it to the center harness. That made it the winner for me.

John Haley
(Quoddy) - F

Locale: New York/Vermont Border
Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 18:29:57 MDT Print View

I recently decided on a Brawny Sleep Net at 3.25oz from AntiGravity Gear. I liked the way it went over the top half of a bag rather than being pegged or tied down. I'm using this strictly for summer sleeping in shelters at this time, although it will work nicely if I switch to an actual tarp.

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bug netting in Gatewood Cape on 07/12/2007 21:41:23 MDT Print View

I also got the Brawny Sleep Net from AGG about a month ago. It works great inside the gatewood cape. I first tried suspending it from the inside tieout that is over your head but found out that it works better suspended from the center harness. It's surprisingly roomy suspended this way.

carlos fernandez rivas
(pitagorin) - MLife

Locale: Galicia -Spain
alp storms on 07/13/2007 00:51:29 MDT Print View

Well, the problem is, If the weather is ok you can use it, but if you plan is to stay there one month you can be sure that you must deal with some storms


I probably choose a more stable single walled tent like your rainbow ;-)


As an example last year i bougth one rainbow and my girlfriend (who knows perfectly the alps weather) forced me to carry my BD firstlight ..... and was a good decision because last year the weather was specially bad.

But is only my personal opinion (and I insist .. the gatewood cape is my favourite shelter)

Edited by pitagorin on 07/13/2007 00:55:31 MDT.