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Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/07/2014 20:17:39 MST Print View

Nutritionist: "Here are some glucosamine tablets. Under FDA regulations, I can't claim that they will fix your problem, so I'll just strongly imply that if you buy the particular brand that I sell, your leg will be fixed, your life lengthened, and you'll never need viagra again."

David, can you say, "beating a straw man"



Billy

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/07/2014 20:19:17 MST Print View

"David, can you say, "beating a straw man" "

They did that in the Wizard of Oz. But they had to, he was on fire.

Or are you folks talking about something else?

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/07/2014 21:00:26 MST Print View

Billy,

From wikipedia: Hyperbole (/haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-pur-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή hyperbolē, "exaggeration") is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

Sorry if it touched a nerve.

I read the article (in Annals of Internal Medicine, not the LA Times summary) and, of course, it was more nuanced - there may be a role for vitamin D supplementation in some populations.

Are you standing by your $1 trillion figure as literally true?

Then, also from wikipedia: "citation needed".

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Mmmmmmmmmmm on 01/07/2014 21:05:37 MST Print View

Sarah,

>"OK, guys....any of your ladies develop the desire to eat yuckies while pregnant? Pica is a nasty one! "

We're high-elevation backpackers! When we get cravings, it is for pika.

My wife felt more definitively pregnant not after the little indicator on the dipstick turned pink but when she realized chocolate was unappealing - something really had changed! She maintained her vegaquarium diet, but went a lot heavier on the red salmon.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Mmmmmmmmmmm on 01/07/2014 21:48:29 MST Print View

My first kid, I went to work and the normally awesome smell of coffee beans suddenly smelled like rotten fish. I ran a coffee house. It was fun ;-)

Mmmm....roasted Pika on a spit. 5-6 per person? ;-)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Mmmmmmmmmmm on 01/07/2014 22:36:07 MST Print View

Pika kabobs.

--B.G.--

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/08/2014 08:03:18 MST Print View

"Are you standing by your $1 trillion figure as literally true?"

Steve Jobs tried alternative treatment of his cancer

Then it got worse so he did normal doctors (part of "$1 trillion") but it was too late

He publically told people that was a mistake, don't substitue the ($1 trillion) doctors with the alternates

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/08/2014 16:48:58 MST Print View

Salt has iodine added, milk has vitamin D, etc, unless you don't eat I don't see the point of taking a pill.

This discussion reminds me of General Ripper talking about fluoridating water.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/08/2014 16:54:07 MST Print View

"This discussion reminds me of General Ripper talking about fluoridating water."

He just wanted to preserve the purity and essence of our precious bodily fluids.

He was a man ahead of his time.

--B.G.--

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: A few to not knock on 01/09/2014 15:24:57 MST Print View

"Since the US started adding folic acid to cereal, bread, pasta and the such, the sheer number of birth defect from a deficiency in the first weeks of conception has nearly disappeared..."


I agree Sarah, and perhaps a bit contrary to my first post on this thread, my wife and i do occasionally take some supplements of concentrated minerals or vitamins, but i'm picky about them in various ways. I like food sourced and chelated nutrients and i don't like the uber popular multi vitamins which throw together a kabillion different nutrients all in one pill. I don't have any proof of it, but i suspect the body has an easier time of assimilating nutrients when not so mixed. We do know that some nutrients combine well with others, or conversely other combos when taken at the same time negate each other.

I think ideally one should get most of their nutrients through a varied and nutritionally dense diet, but i don't think there is anything wrong with occasionally supplementing in a smart and discriminating manner and when not overloading the body with excess. Also, not everyone can or will have the more ideal kind of diet for various reasons so in some situations and cases supplementation of some kind might even be necessary.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Hehheh on 01/09/2014 15:40:49 MST Print View

So here is one that has always made me laugh:

OB's love to harp on their clients to take a prenatal multivitamin, and those things ALWAYS are chock full of B vitamins. I could NOT get them down without wanting to hurl. So I never took them.

How is it Vitamin B smells soooo bad? To this day the smell of it makes me green. I actually don't take Multi's, just what I need. Those B vitamins just get peed out anyways...lol!

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 15:43:46 MST Print View

"Steve Jobs tried alternative treatment of his cancer

Then it got worse so he did normal doctors (part of "$1 trillion") but it was too late

He publically told people that was a mistake, don't substitue the ($1 trillion) doctors with the alternates"


I've met and talked to people who solely used "alternative" treatments for cancer and had great success with same. But that doesn't mean that all would.

Also, who knows if Jobs did it in an ideal way. "Alternative" is a really broad term with many, many different subcategories, theories, beliefs, applications, etc. Even diet alone is a huge and varied topic in alternative health of which there is not complete consensus on.

Also, there is the issue of following treatment, which in some ways, tends to be tougher and require more discipline with alternative treatments. To radically change ones diet (the core foundation and key starting point for many "alternative" treatments), takes so much discipline and self will, which even in the face of death, a lot of people i've met seemingly aren't willing to consistently and seriously enact same.

One lady i talked to at a health conference, successfully treated and got rid of cancer from radically changing her diet.

To see the power of diet and foods on health in a entertaining, touching, and enlightening way, check out the documentary called, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead." It's on netflix instant.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 16:12:10 MST Print View

"One lady i talked to at a health conference, successfully treated and got rid of cancer from radically changing her diet."

Can you supply any details as to the specific type of cancer and the specific diet she followed?

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 16:40:47 MST Print View

Somehow, I think Steve Jobs would figure out the "ideal" treatment and would follow it carefully.

Except in this case it was actually the scientific study verified treatment that would have worked better, at least that's what he concluded.

I sure hope I or any of my loved ones don't get pancreas cancer

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 19:17:26 MST Print View

Hi Tom,

This was a number of years ago and my memory is fuzzy on the details. I don't remember what kind of cancer she had, but i do remember her talking about doing a lot of juicing fresh raw foods, and eating a lot of vegetables and some fruits otherwise--especially raw. She was an older lady, i would say in her 70's, but i don't remember if this was a recent experience of hers or when she was younger.

Beyond that, i don't remember.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 19:20:21 MST Print View

"Somehow, I think Steve Jobs would figure out the "ideal" treatment and would follow it carefully."


Perhaps--i do allow for that possibility, but also perhaps a bit of assumption concerning a person neither of us knew, assuming you didn't know him personally that is ;)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 19:20:31 MST Print View

"This was a number of years ago and my memory is fuzzy on the details."

"i don't remember"

You might try a vitamin B12 supplement for that problem. I get mine in a daily multivitamin. Cheap insurance.

--B.G.--

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 19:50:45 MST Print View

Eating mostly vegetarian, and at times more vegan, as i do, B-12 is one of the few nutrients/supplements i do somewhat regularly take. But not that regular ole cyanocobalamin, but rather the co-enzyme, methyl version.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 20:04:10 MST Print View

"i do remember her talking about doing a lot of juicing fresh raw foods, and eating a lot of vegetables and some fruits otherwise--especially raw."

Hard to go wrong with that regimen. As to whether or not it cured her cancer, who knows? The important thing is that she beat it.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Americans waste $28 bil a year on vitamins, doctors say on 01/09/2014 20:26:44 MST Print View

juicing is a fad that destroys much of the food value - you're throwing out a bunch of fiber that's part of why they're good - when you pulverize it, it oxidises some of the nutrients - just eat fruits and vegetable

some vegetables are better cooked, like carrots. I eat brocolli raw occasionally, but it's better cooked. I can't imagine eating squash raw...

I'm just reading "A Short Guide to a Long Life" by David B. Agus - pretty good

He refers to Michael Pollan's books - also good