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Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Question on Fit of Montbell Mirage on 12/14/2013 14:54:09 MST Print View

Can anyone give me some reference on the fit of the MB Mirage jacket? For a reference point I have a Montbell UL down parka in size M. The fit is good, but I'm looking for a looser fit, both for layering, and for comfort while sleeping in it, if needed. I can sleep fine in the UL parka, but it is too restrictive to be perfect. Would people say that the Mirage is a slightly looser fit, or exactly the same as the UL Jacket. Thinking of going with a large, which I almost never do, but I figure on a down puffy I would be happier with lots of room.

Edited by millonas on 12/14/2013 14:55:43 MST.

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: Question on Fit of Montbell Mirage on 12/14/2013 15:18:56 MST Print View

I have a Mirage and a 2008 UL Down Inner and the Mirage has a roomier fit.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: Re: Question on Fit of Montbell Mirage on 12/14/2013 15:30:11 MST Print View

Bradford, thanks!

Travis Higdon
(life-goes-on) - M

Locale: PNW
Re: Question on Fit of Montbell Mirage on 12/14/2013 15:32:57 MST Print View

I don't have the UL down parka to compare, but I have the MB Mirage in a size large. I'm 6' 190# and I'm happy with the fit. I usually go with a large size for outer layers so I'm not sure I would size up if I were you if you normally wear a medium. I have worn it as an outer layer over several other layers (for cold summit celebrations) or even over a t-shirt (to check the mail). It lofts so high that it fills whatever space you give it. But I don't think I'd want it any larger because it's a typical MB athletic fit and you don't want a big air gap between you and the jacket.

Edited by life-goes-on on 12/14/2013 15:34:20 MST.

Brock Graves
(gravesbrock) - F

Locale: asheville nc
Fit on 12/14/2013 22:43:22 MST Print View

Not sure if this helps but, I ordered a large mirage and a medium alpine light parka. The mirage had enough room to fit 2 of me inside the alpine had enough room to put a base layer and a nano puff if need be. But, 2 more inches in hem length would have been perfect. I sold the mirage and kept the alpine. I'm 6'2 160lbs

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - M

Locale: Where the air is thin
Mirage fit on 12/14/2013 23:12:53 MST Print View

I have both the Mirage and the Permafrost. At 5'9" and 185lb I found the Mirage fit me well in size Large, but for the Permafrost I had to upsize to XL. Combined with feedback from others, I'd say the Mirage is probably oversized compared with other offerings from MB.

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Follow up on 12/19/2013 13:54:30 MST Print View

Thought I would post a follow up in case someone 6 months from now has exactly the same question.

Bradford pretty much nailed it.

My Montbell UL parka sized medium, fits fine over a baselayer and thin fleece or thin puffy vest. But beyond that there is not a lot of room for more than this, and in particular trying to sleep in it with my arm under my head, and so forth, while not threatening to rip, would be constrictive. Basically what people would call "optimum" fit for warmth, with not too much room to spare for flexibility. So that is the baseline.

The Mirage size medium is in fact a bit roomier as you would want/expect. The sleeves are a bit longer as well. Also fits "perfect" for me in size medium (very glad I didn't up the size), but is a more relaxed fit suitable for more serious layering if needed. VERY happy with it.

So hope that help people figure out the right size for them.

The medium mirage I got weighed in at 13.0 oz. The UL parka is 9.3 oz. In warm weather the UL parka would be the no brainier because wearing anything more, even at the coldest part of the night sitting outside, would just be uncomfortable. On the other hand, for any situations where I would not ever be uncomfortable wearing the Mirage, it seems like I will now be faced with an interesting quandary - for extra weight equivalent to a little more than the energy bar I might eat to help keep warm just before getting into my bag, I could bring the Mirage instead, which is in a totally different warmth category. It is definitely not just a tweak up in warmth. In the high sierras, even in the summer, I've never been *too* warm at night above 10k feet, even in the summer. So even without using that fact to consciously take a lighter bag, this jacket is still going to be tugging at me at me. I think this is going to be the ultimate test if I am firmly committed to being light for light sake, or whether still have trace elements of the Epicurean left in me. OK, who am I fooling about that one. LOL

For what it is worth, I got the gunmetal version, but this fabric is a shade darker that the gunmetal on the UL parka.

Edited by millonas on 12/19/2013 14:15:12 MST.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife
Re: Question on Fit of Montbell Mirage on 12/19/2013 21:58:44 MST Print View

>>> MB Mirage jacket ... Montbell UL down parka

I have both the Montbell Mirage Parka and the Montbell UL Down Inner Parka and I find that the Mirage is a bit looser fit than the ULDIP, which I guess makes sense given its designed to be an outer and not an "inner", thus the previous "UL Down INNER Parka" name (??) that has now had the "Inner" removed.


ps: love my Mirage... one of the best down parka by the numbers.

Ito Jakuchu
(jakuchu) - MLife

Locale: Japan
Re: Follow up on 12/20/2013 00:39:38 MST Print View

Thanks for the follow up, on the size and warmth side of things. Always been interested in the Mirage (they don't sell it here in Japan as far as I know). Now I have a more clear picture of what size to order through the web if (when?) I get it.

Sean Passanisi
(passanis) - MLife
Off topic on 12/20/2013 03:59:00 MST Print View

I currently use a Patagonia UL hoody, which I believe is functionally similar to the MontBell UL model. The Patagonia jacket has a listed weight of 9.3 oz with 3.5 oz of down fill.

In colder temps, I'm curious as to whether it makes more sense to use a parka like the Mirage, or whether it would be better to enhance the warmth of the hoody with an UL down vest (5.7 oz, 2 oz of down fill). The two garments would have a combined weight of 15 oz with 5.5 oz of down fill vs. the Mirage at 12.8 oz and 5.3 oz of down (but higher fill power of 900).

Is the decision simply weighing the higher weight vs. increased modularity, or are there other considerations?