Your "stupid light" moments.
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Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Your "stupid light" moments. on 12/04/2013 17:04:31 MST Print View

Share your experiences with going way too light and suffering for it.

Here are mine:

Not carrying a shelter on a 4 day trip in Big Sur during winter. The forecast was clear. It started pouring the last night and I ended up improvising a brush shelter underneath a large canopy of redwood trees. I didn't get wet at all but it could have been bad.

Not carrying extra batteries for my headlamp and running out of battery on a longer trip.

Carrying 1 pound per day of food on a 10 day trip.

Sharing a shelter (a flat tarp) with my partner on a cross country trip in thick bush. We had trouble finding a clear/flat place that was large enough for 2 people to sleep, so we always ended up with super cramped floor space and I ended up sleeping outside of the shelter when it wasn't raining.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Two of them :) on 12/04/2013 20:00:00 MST Print View

tl122

gaz lantern

Paul Magnanti
(PaulMags) - MLife

Locale: People's Republic of Boulder
stupid light on 12/04/2013 21:07:30 MST Print View

Along with Nick's idea, here is the first type of flashlight I carried on my first backpacking trip. Seriously. :)

lantern

Or did you mean something different??? ;)

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: stupid light on 12/04/2013 21:49:52 MST Print View

Those two lights are the actual ones I used a long time ago. They are both stupid lights for backpacking. But we learn from our experiences.

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Your "stupid light" moments. on 12/04/2013 21:53:11 MST Print View

Well Justin, as you know So Cal is pretty dry in the summer. At the time, I was out of practice and hadn't bp for a few years so my estimates were awful. I guesstimated that on a day hike I drink 60 oz so 200 oz would be plenty for 2 full days. it was a June heat wave, I camped on the exposed summit, I got an altitude headache, by evening time I drank 150 oz. Didn't sleep good, thirsty from the dry air, and thinking my headache was due to dehydration, I drank the remaining 50 oz during the night. Woke up the next morning with no water, and 18 miles to go back to the car... with a pounding altitude headache.

when I found a creek at mile-15 (3 miles from the car) I saw a kid pissing in the water. I was tired, annoyed and just kept going to the car. had water there.

so lessons learned, now I bring extra extra water on dry terrain, and I cache many small bottles along the way. It's super heavy at the start, I lighten up as I drop off the cache, but on the way back it's very motivating to keep moving to the next mile/cache for a mini reward.

Edited by RogerDodger on 12/04/2013 21:55:01 MST.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Your "stupid light" moments. on 12/04/2013 22:24:09 MST Print View

Before i had any nice and very light and packable down quilts, i decided to try out my wife's bag booster, which i had made. It is two silk mummy liners sewn together with a 5x3 layer of 2.5 oz Apex sandwiched in the top between the silk (the apex was a left over piece).

That and a lightweight down jacket is all i had for insulation besides my normal clothes. Decided to do this in late winter, and slept in an AT shelter.

Well, it got pretty windy that night and that shelter didn't help much at all with that, in fact i think it focused the wind and made it worse.

I wasn't scared for my life cold, but i certainly didn't sleep fully comfortably by any means. If the silk had been less breathable, would have been warmer. It was mainly the wind that was the problem. If it had been a still, calm night, i would have been comfortable.

Yup, stupid light. I could have brought my S.D. Zissou 30* Lite bag, but since i was excited to try out my new S2S Ultra sil day pack, decided i could forgo the real insulation. (roll eyes at self). Had i had my EE 40 degree quilt back then, i could have had both the light, small pack and the warmth. So maybe it's more of a case of "stupid wallet"..

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
lantern on 12/05/2013 08:15:27 MST Print View

I use to have that lantern! I still have the matching stove (globe trotter).

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: "Your "stupid light" moments." on 12/05/2013 08:49:43 MST Print View

Used to have a flashlight like Nicks. That was back in the days when we were stupid. Look how much smarter we have become.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: lantern on 12/05/2013 09:16:05 MST Print View

"I use to have that lantern! I still have the matching stove (globe trotter)."

Same here. Still have several canisters too. The stove wasn't stupid light for its time. Here is a picture of the stove on a trip I did this year. I left the lantern at home.

globe trotter

Jeff Hollis
(hyperslug) - MLife
Shrinking Cup on 12/05/2013 10:40:01 MST Print View

I spent a lot of time trying to find a lightweight plastic cup with a mouth that would accept my MSR coffee filter. I saw this super light plastic jar looking container at Target and bought it. On the trip as I was pouring the coffee into the 16 oz cup and in a matter of seconds it shrank to the size of a juice glass and coffee went everywhere.

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Canisters... on 12/05/2013 11:51:53 MST Print View

Alas, I have none. :^(

I do have the adapter to allow it to use the current threaded canisters. :^) I haven't installed it yet (it requires a little filing).

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Canisters... on 12/05/2013 12:13:46 MST Print View

No I haven't done the adapter to the Globe Trotter. I really haven't used it much in recent years. Same for an old Gerry stove and my Optimus 731 Mousetrap. Ran out of canisters a long time ago.

Here's a neat tip...

The Svea 123 fits perfectly into the Globe Trotter Cups!! It is almost exactly the same size as a Globe Trotter with the canister attached.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Your "stupid light" moments. on 12/05/2013 20:58:27 MST Print View

I have a good one: Bringing a 40 degree bag to 13 degrees. This was a while ago when I hadn't accumulated good gear but I still got out anyways. I really wanted to go camping that weekend. I ended up sleeping next to a fire all night and was comfortable... but still stupid.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Your "stupid light" moments. on 12/05/2013 21:32:46 MST Print View

FSO gear list for a mid September six day 600 mile solo bike tour in MN and the Dakotas:

Peugeot PX-10 bike (great ride)
brand X aluminum rack
Brooks seat bag
spare tire
very small tool kit
two 16oz water bottles
myog polyethylene solo wedge tent
a blanket barely adequate for indoor sleeping with windows open on a 50*F night
converse all star sneakers
cotton crew socks
cotton tightie whities
cutoff jeans
cotton t-shirt
biking gloves
kodak instamatic camera
sailor hat
a couple oranges and ham sandwiches
$25 cash (which had some purchasing power in 1970 but not enough for 6 days of food)

Not sure of the low temps but there was frost on the ground three of the mornings. At least it did not rain. I did manage to talk my way into jail one night in Ortonville, MN.

Was an experience I was never tempted to repeat, especially the night in jail.

Edited by jcolten on 12/05/2013 21:36:04 MST.

Adan Lopez
(Lopez) - F

Locale: San Gabriel Valley
Stupid light on 12/06/2013 19:44:08 MST Print View

I don't count being uncomfortable as "stupid light" anymore. I'm over trying to micro manage my hikes and I've learned to stop trying to be so damn comfortable all the time. But I do recall a few long hot days without enough beer, some long cold mornings with only stupid "ultralight" coffee rations for us both, and some good fireside tom-foolery when the whiskey ran dry. I remember many times saying " dude remember how cold we were that night! Everything wet and not a damn pad to lay on! it was epic!". But mention the time the whiskey ran dry, and immediately our eyes find the ground and a somber tone comes over us, "yeah, that was stupid. Never again".

Edited by Lopez on 12/06/2013 19:51:38 MST.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Stupid light on 12/07/2013 14:40:20 MST Print View

While doing the JMT without a sleeping bag, I thought I would just sleep for 1 1/2 hours before sunset and after sunrise while the temps were still warm.

Needless to say, this "idea" did not work.
First sleep, wasn't tiered.
Second, got woke up by a bear sniffing my head.
Third, a bird came down and kept chirping at me from 5 feet away.

100+ miles in and I had less than 30 minutes sleep.
Coming down into Evolution Valley (Going north bound), it was 2:30am and 28* and I needed sleep.
I figured I would stop and put all my clothing on, warm up and then sleep until the cold wakes me up.
I figured this would get me a good 20-30 minute nap.

I tell you what, when your body is that tired, you do not wake up.
I woke up 1 hr 45 mins latter absolutely frozen.

Anyone see the movie Iron Will when he woke up the last night?
That was me.
I had to lift my legs to move the first minute or so and a good 10 minutes to get walking at a rate that would generate heat.

During that 15 minutes I was shivering so bad, and just kept realizing how bad of an idea that was.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Stupid light on 12/07/2013 22:06:15 MST Print View

Aaron wins!

Todd Taylor
(texasbb) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Stupid light doesn't mean too light? on 12/07/2013 22:53:03 MST Print View

I thought "stupid light" referred to decisions that actually end up raising pack weight. E.g., you ditch your tent for a tarp that weighs less, but then have to add a ground sheet, bivy sack, and bug net that together weigh more than the tent.

Whatever. There are probably more good "too light" boo-boo stories anyway. :-)

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Stupid light on 12/07/2013 23:31:20 MST Print View

Aaron is some type 4 fun.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Stupid light doesn't mean too light? on 12/08/2013 00:24:16 MST Print View

Stupid light is a gear choice that is light, but fails to meet the conditions.