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Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster) - F

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 21:26:30 MST Print View

Not the tent's fly, your underwear's fly--I am looking for baselayers without flys. I hate them! Do other guys really use these? What's wrong with just pulling down your pants? That's more reasonable than asking your unit to take two or three reverse bends! On most of my baselayers I immediately sew up the fly, but am still left with an unnecessary wad of triple layer fabric in the front. I have been threatening to switch over to women's baselayers -- which seem MUCH more reasonably constructed -- but my wife says they probably won't fit. So: Any men's baselayers without the barn doors? Or will women's baselayers fit a man? I'm serious!!

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 21:50:51 MST Print View

I like the fly

as does the little guy

Matt Weaver
(norcalweaver) - F

Locale: PacNW
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 21:57:38 MST Print View

I like the fly too. Keeps me from having to undo my packs hip belt. Cause then if I undo the hip belt then I might as well remove the pack all together. And get more water. And sit down for a snack.

Flys keep me moving.

Edited by norcalweaver on 12/03/2013 22:37:46 MST.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear) - M
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 21:58:16 MST Print View

I've found women's pants hit or miss. Sometimes they have had a too high of a rise crotch which isn't too comfortable, or too low rise waist. Definitely size up at the very least a size up than the men's stuff, often times better to go two full sizes up. Thankfully most baselayers tend to be on the stretchy side, so there is some leeway there.

Not sure what the problem with flys are though. Kind of nice when it's really cold out, not to dump extra heat by pulling pants down--you definitely dump much less heat via opening up flys.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 22:13:05 MST Print View

I've never used a fly. Oh, once or twice I've tried, but contorted positioning and imperfect drainage put me off. I prefer UW and base layers without flies, but some styles just always seem to come with them.

Women's bottoms are typically shaped differently - wider hips, narrower waist, short legs. Most problematic, I find, is that there isn't enough "volume" in the crotch area. And, as someone noted, the rise (crotch to waist length) is longer in women's models than men's.

Perhaps search on "unisex" sizing - that would probably not have a fly and would be some intermediate or simply male-biased sizing.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.wordpress.com
Damnit, now I'm gonna start sewing. on 12/03/2013 22:30:59 MST Print View

Sparing you the intimacy, I've also found that the fly doesn't give me enough room to evacuate pants when nature calls, but the loss of volume in women's tights (I've tried Under Armor) threatened to end my family line.

You could sew the fly up along the seam of the fly's "door." Then, cut off the door. That way, the extra rectangle of material is removed and your pants are sealed up.

This is one of those things that I didn't remotely think about as a problem until you mentioned it, but now that I have, all I can think about is how many layers my Smartwool briefs have... THANKS.


P.S. my Go-Lite rain pants are women's and they both fit perfectly and have a fly. More relevantly, perhaps the women's Go-Lite baselayers will suit the male form.

Edited by mdilthey on 12/03/2013 22:32:20 MST.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 22:36:30 MST Print View

I make our (Sue and I) bush clothing - there are MYOG articles on it. But I don't think I have ever bothered to put a fly in. Couldn't see the need.

Cheers

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Damnit, now I'm gonna start sewing. on 12/03/2013 22:44:42 MST Print View

That's another reason to make your own : )

As far as usage goes, either way works, but since no fly works, why put in a fly?

I've made underwear but I like the pre-made ones better. The fly on them isn't so bad, not so many layers of fabric, but I never use it.

I think flies are just convention. Several hundred years ago they became fashionable, and now they just keep making them because that's how it's done.

Stephen Komae
(skomae) - MLife

Locale: northeastern US
I like the Fly on 12/03/2013 23:21:41 MST Print View

How else am I supposed to pee while wearing a harness? And since my hiking clothes do double duty as climbing clothes, they sure as heck had better have a fly.

Edited by skomae on 12/03/2013 23:22:17 MST.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 23:27:57 MST Print View

"Couldn't see the need"

He must be a little fellow :)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/03/2013 23:43:30 MST Print View

"Couldn't see the need"

He must be a little fellow :)"

No - you're the one that says you have a little fellow : )

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster) - F

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Flywork on 12/03/2013 23:48:33 MST Print View

So! A lot of guys actually use the fly.

OK, as you were, gentlemen. I won't inveigh against tradition. If your mouse runs through the maze, more power to you.

I will continue my girlish ways, and try the Go-Lite, search for "unisex," or just sew my unders up and remove those silly extra layers.

I swear, the most recent baselayers I purchased had a pad in front, the thickness (and flexibility!) of a catcher's mitt. Ugh! Returned. I confess to staring at the women's underwear in the Campmor catalog with envy.

Edited by Bolster on 12/03/2013 23:58:44 MST.

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/04/2013 00:09:52 MST Print View

Icebreaker makes wool briefs and boxers w/o a fly.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F - M
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/04/2013 00:42:44 MST Print View

one thing to note is that the doubled/tripled fabric actually serves a purpose ...

for those who perform do high intensity outdoor sports in winter ... cold groins are no laughing matter .. this is especially true of people like runners or cyclist who wear winter thermal tights ... extra fabric there helps keep a high heat loss sensitive area a bit warmer ...

Whether you're hiking, skiing, or mountaineering, keeping your extremities warm is a crucial part of winter survival. Much attention is paid to various combinations of hats, gloves, mittens, boots and socks but, unfortunately, they all overlook another important extremity, the male appendage.

This is nothing to laugh about; it's quite painful! If you've been unfortunate enough to experience a frozen frankie, you know this is a serious matter. Few other weather-related injuries can make you curl up and beg for death. Of course, this "condition" only makes itself known after you're miles from the trailhead and committed to your route.


http://www.headbaby.com/icepick.htm

its enough of an issue that the make a polartec thermal pro "sock" for the male anatomy ...



http://thermajock.com/

;)

Marko Botsaris
(millonas) - F - MLife

Locale: Santa Cruz Mountains, CA
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/04/2013 00:43:08 MST Print View

I was spending the night in one of those pretty fancy tent rentals in Yosemite one time (this on was at white wolf, so not even one of the ones away from the road) with a woman I was hanging out with at the time. There was a small wood stove provided, but it was pretty cold before I got it stoked up, and she didn't really have any long underwear, and was freezing. I had an extra pair of patagonia tights that I assumed would be just the ticket, and offered them to her. When she saw that they had a fly she refused to wear them. She would rather freeze than even put on long underwear with a fly. Anyway, that was the moment I knew she wasn't the girl for me. LOL Too high maintenance!

So not only you Delmar!

Still they do seem very old fashioned. I can't remember the last time I used one. Rather than being a convenience they seem, um, kinda fussy and awkward to actually use. Possibly I was inadequately potty trained in my youth, but I am as likely to make a mess of it as not attempting to make use of one. And what do they protect when using it anyway? The most sensitive stuff gets exposed to the elements. I think they are like the marble Greek temples that maintained stone representations of the features of the old wooden temples, like the places where the wooden cross beams had been, 500 years after the last wooden temple - just cause that is how it was done.

I've also had a pair of tights with an additional rear "fly", and not the old style huge buttoned flap grampa had in his long johns. It was the same "mazey" design as briefs, just bigger and in the back. What's with that? If I can't safety use the front one with equipment that can write my name in the snow, why in the world would I try to use the rear fly?

Edited by millonas on 12/04/2013 02:22:49 MST.

J R
(JRinGeorgia) - F
gram weenie on 12/04/2013 04:53:12 MST Print View

Cutting out the fly to save weight? That brings new meaning to the term "gram weenie." :P

FWIW I have some inexpensive Costco baselayers, Paradox brand, with no fly. They are 11-12% merino and the rest synthetic.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.wordpress.com
Re: Flywork on 12/04/2013 06:43:20 MST Print View

>"I confess to staring at the women's underwear in the Campmor catalog with envy."

I do it because the colors are always nicer...

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/04/2013 06:43:46 MST Print View

Why oh why did they put a fly on the undies that covers my willy?
I can bend and roll and still miss the hole, so the (w)hole thing seems rather silly.
What's even worse, and seems like a curse, is the damn thing won't even catch leaks!
So I'd prefer, I suppose, if they just made them closed, and leave flies for the stream beds and creeks....

Sorry, it's early and I'm not quite awake yet.....

Edited by idester on 12/04/2013 06:44:18 MST.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: The Other Fly --The Ridiculous One in your Baselayer on 12/04/2013 07:15:21 MST Print View

Those fly openings are not large enough for my multitool.

Edited by jshann on 12/04/2013 07:16:08 MST.

Buck Nelson
(Colter) - MLife

Locale: Alaska
Not something I get excited about. on 12/04/2013 07:16:30 MST Print View

I swear, the most recent baselayers I purchased had a pad in front, the thickness (and flexibility!) of a catcher's mitt.

Really. You swear that? :)

I use the fly in my base layer. And the fly in my pants as well. I find it useful when it's thirty below and the wind is howling. No reverse bends are necessary if you hold the fly(s) open during use.

And Eric has a point. Running or skiing in extreme cold in Alaska I've often added a layer in the fly area and I know many other men who do as well.