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Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Olicamp Aluminum Mugs Rival Ti for Weight on 11/30/2013 15:16:38 MST Print View

I "discovered" the aluminum Olicamp Space Saver mugs a couple weeks ago and wanted to share. I've owned the stainless steel version in years past, but I didn't know that they made an aluminum version. As with the steel model, they have large folding handles and will hold a Nalgene bottle, saving space in your pack if you want to stow it in the water bottle pocket with the bottle. Of course a 1 liter platy will nest in one, as well as most recycled spring water bottles.

Capacity is 24oz/750ml and the surprise is they weigh just scant fractions of an ounce more than a similar titanium version. From left to right below is the hard anodized version at 3.6oz, a Stoic titanium mug at 3.2 oz, and the clear anodized model of the Oilcamp at 3.4oz. eBay prices start at $11 for the clear anodized model and $14 for the hard anodized option-- both including shipping!. I think that is quite a bargain. With a little roaster pan foil for a lid, they make for a good light option to a typical Ti mug at 1/3 the price. Perfect for Scouts I would think.

Olicamp mugs

If you must, the handles are easily removed and weigh 0.4oz per pair. The mounting plates are riveted in place and I would be cautious about trying to remove them.

The Snowpeak Hotlips silicone lip guard is a perfect fit as well.

Edited by dwambaugh on 11/30/2013 15:28:27 MST.

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - M

Locale: Grand Canyon State
Re: Olicamp Aluminum Mugs Rival Ti for Weight on 11/30/2013 15:46:15 MST Print View

Good find, Dale! It's always nice to see some inexpensive UL options out there!

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Olicamp Aluminum Mugs Rival Ti for Weight on 11/30/2013 16:04:11 MST Print View

Of course I discovered the hard anodized model after ordering the other. Someone will find it in their stocking come Christmas morning :)

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: Re: Olicamp Aluminum Mugs Rival Ti for Weight on 11/30/2013 16:23:35 MST Print View

Cool beans. Dale, have you ever seen a hard anonidized alum. double wall, insulated bottle? I've seen some Titanium ones and whoo boy they are pricey. Figure alum. would be a lot cheaper. Maybe its not strong enough?

Edited by ArcturusBear on 11/30/2013 17:03:07 MST.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
fire maple on 11/30/2013 16:26:47 MST Print View

some of these chinese companies are going to give the current stove/pot manufacturers a run for their money IMO

once they get into more retail outlets, and start focusing on customer service/quality ... the current crop of stove companies are going to have a serious issue

mr. caffins articles on BPL touched on the issue ...

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/made_in_china.html

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/2013_developments_canister_stoves.html

it seems like the REAL innovation these days is coming out of asia ... especially the stoves

olicamp (fire maple) also makes a heat exchanger stove which prolite measured a 29% decrease in fuel use ... now it may not be the lightest option out there .. but like a jetboil it might allow you to bring one canister instead of two, an allows you to keep using yr favorite stove ... there is also a cost savings in fuel as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBFt-c33pyA

many of the current crop of "name brand" pots/stoves are probably made in the same chinese factories anyways

;)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: fire maple on 11/30/2013 16:33:46 MST Print View

fire maple heat exchanger - http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=67938

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Olicamp Aluminum Mugs Rival Ti for Weight on 11/30/2013 17:11:17 MST Print View

Also available from Amazon for about $13 for hard anodized:
http://www.amazon.com/Olicamp-Anodized-Space-Saver-Handle/dp/B007S3N5PE/

with a few review comments on protruding interior rivets that gouge water bottles and potentially trap bacteria.

-- Rex

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Olicamp Aluminum Mugs Rival Ti for Weight on 11/30/2013 19:08:03 MST Print View

I saw those reviews on the rivets and that was my first point of inspection. The ones I got protrude a tiny bit, but nothing that would tear up a bottle--- smooth and professional to my view. Most of my use would be boiling, but cleaning shouldn't be too hard. The rivets are typical for aluminum stuff.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Aluminum vs Titanium on 11/30/2013 21:40:53 MST Print View

I own a nice MSR Titan Kettle with lid, which weighs 4.2 oz, cost me $60.

Recently I picked up a Zelph lid for an Imusa aluminum mug, giving me nearly the same capacity (27 instead of 29 oz capacity) in a similar form factor. Mug + Lid = 2.8 oz, total cost $6.50.

Plus, the aluminum is substantially thicker than the Ti, and conducts heat better.

Edited by Bolster on 11/30/2013 21:42:45 MST.

Rex Sanders
(Rex) - M

Locale: Central California Coast
Re: Aluminum vs Titanium on 11/30/2013 23:03:46 MST Print View

Yeah, but titanium sounds cooler. The Soviets made submarines from titanium before titanium got cheap!

Titanium is stronger, so you will get fewer dents and scratches.

-- Rex

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Aluminum vs Titanium on 12/01/2013 00:02:27 MST Print View

That is what the hard anodizing is for. When the Ti is thin enough to make it light, it dents as easily as the thicker aluminum.

Billy Ray
(rosyfinch) - M

Locale: the mountains
Re: Re: Re: Aluminum vs Titanium on 12/01/2013 00:11:01 MST Print View

Dents just add character to your gear... and help a noobie look experienced :)

billy

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: Re: Aluminum vs Titanium on 12/01/2013 00:27:42 MST Print View

I hear that. My wife has a pot set with a nice set of bear's teeth marks in them. That's experience :)

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
I ESCHEW TI UTENSILS on 12/01/2013 00:50:33 MST Print View

Aluminum just makes more sense. But I'd only get an aluminum mug if you want to cook in it. Otherwise plastic makes more sense.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: aluminum double wall bottles on 12/01/2013 12:02:03 MST Print View

"Dale, have you ever seen a hard anonidized alum. double wall, insulated bottle? I've seen some Titanium ones and whoo boy they are pricey. Figure alum. would be a lot cheaper. Maybe its not strong enough?"

I've never seen a double wall Ti bottle. Stainless ones are readily available. I doubt if you would ever see a hard anodized aluminum version. Clear anodized maybe. The corrosion issues with aluminum are probably more of a factor than strength.

The best thermal bottles for the weight are the old corrugated aluminum thermos models with a glass vacuum liner. They are superior to any metal lined container. I have some--- if you are interested, send me a PM.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: aluminum double wall bottles on 12/01/2013 13:01:56 MST Print View

"The best thermal bottles for the weight are the old corrugated aluminum thermos models with a glass vacuum liner."

Agreed. I have one that must be at least 50 years old. Works good. Lasts a long time.

--B.G.--

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: aluminum double wall bottles on 12/01/2013 13:16:17 MST Print View

"Agreed. I have one that must be at least 50 years old. Works good. Lasts a long time."

I make musical instruments out of them. I actually checked with Thermos to see about buying the dies, but they were long gone. They haven't been made since the 1960's. The really old ones had cork stoppers. My grandfather wouldn't go fishing without one. I sipped many cups of scalding hot chocolate from one while bobbing up and down in the middle of Puget Sound.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: aluminum double wall bottles on 12/01/2013 13:33:09 MST Print View

Dale, do you still have the user instruction manual?

--B.G.--

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: aluminum double wall bottles on 12/01/2013 13:48:12 MST Print View

"Dale, do you still have the user instruction manual?"

For Puget Sound? :)