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Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Two years, and I still have stupid questions. on 11/26/2013 17:05:36 MST Print View

Stupid Question:

I've never used a Canister stove. I have a Snow Peak GigaPower. I've read a bunch of articles on safe use but I can't find an answer to a simple question:

Once you screw a canister on, do you have to leave it on until it's empty?

If so, isn't it awkward to pack? How do you pack it?

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Two years, and I still have stupid questions. on 11/26/2013 17:11:49 MST Print View

"Once you screw a canister on, do you have to leave it on until it's empty?"
No.

Richard Fischel
(RICKO) - F
not an issue taking the burner off while there's still gas in the can on 11/26/2013 17:11:57 MST Print View

for storage/packing and reattaching teh burner when you need it.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Huh! on 11/26/2013 17:12:40 MST Print View

So I just unscrew it when I'm done cooking, and the canister will keep its gas until the next use?

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Canister stove on 11/26/2013 17:16:42 MST Print View

Max, this isn't a stupid question at all. For years, I would just leave the stove screwed onto the canister over night, or for as long as I would be at the same campsite. Then one time, my silly partner left the "volume knob" slightly open just before he hit the sack, and all the fuel escaped overnight. We were in a bad way the next morning--no coffee, cold oatmeal, etc. Fortunately, we were headed back to the truck that day.

Now I prefer to unscrew the canister and replace the plastic cap that came with it, and place the stove in a Ziploc freezer bag in case it rains overnight. When packing up the next morning for a hike to the next campsite, I disassemble everything and put it in my SP 600 pot, which then goes into a custom cuben bag for secure storage.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Huh! on 11/26/2013 17:16:51 MST Print View

Yep. The canister is self-sealing.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Where's the "Adventures in Stoving" guy? on 11/26/2013 17:24:14 MST Print View

Neat! Time to cook!

I've got wood and canisters down now, I'll let you know when I tackle alcohol and white gas.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Where's the "Adventures in Stoving" guy? on 11/26/2013 17:35:08 MST Print View

Make sure your stove adjustment valve is in off position before attaching/detaching canister.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
It's the easy stuff on 11/26/2013 17:37:04 MST Print View

Information on compatible canisters, videos on use, and basic practices for fuel conservation, safe windscreen use, and canister attachment were all readily available. Just the real simple question seemed to elude me. Maybe I missed it in the manual...

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 11/26/2013 17:52:15 MST Print View

If canisters leaked gas when you removed the stove... think about it.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
My Assumption on 11/26/2013 17:53:24 MST Print View

No, I assumed you screwed it on and used the stove however many times you could until the canister was empty, then removed it and recycled it.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
re Cannister leaking on 11/26/2013 18:00:17 MST Print View

The cannister may give a short "Hssss" when you screw off the stove. That's just due to the very brief time it takes for the rubber gasket to reseal. No worries.

A long continued hissing would be a serious problem.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Feel free to add more tips! on 11/26/2013 18:01:40 MST Print View

Cool, got it.

Thanks for all the help and tips, everyone :D


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Daryl and Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Two years, and I still have stupid questions. on 11/26/2013 18:03:37 MST Print View

Max,

The old Bluet stove had a canister that couldn't be removed until it was empty. It was a real pain.

John Hillyer
(TrNameLucky) - MLife
Re: My Assumption on 11/26/2013 18:24:08 MST Print View

btw- you are not likely to find anywhere that will recycle the canisters. They are considered hazardous waste. I have found one place that would take them to use as targets to shoot at :-)

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Art Project on 11/26/2013 18:25:31 MST Print View

Huh. I guess I'll start a small canister graveyard in my barn...

Edited by mdilthey on 11/26/2013 20:19:16 MST.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Canisters on 11/26/2013 18:46:52 MST Print View

You can buy a small tool that punctures expires canisters which then makes them safe to recycle. Pragmatically though, it's a bit of a pain.

For me, one of the big draws to alcohol is the low cost and simplicity of it. There's no $9 canisters, or 1/3 full canisters that I should be using up but don't really want to bring because I hate to carry two. Alcohol is slow, but it's super cheap and you can bring however much fuel you want. I find canisters to be the nicest to cook with (fast, simple) but alcohol is nicer to plan and carry. They're both nice options that are way better than a stove you have to pump.

Edited by dandydan on 11/26/2013 18:50:42 MST.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Interesting on 11/26/2013 19:04:31 MST Print View

When I find a really interesting craft brew can, I'll make my own alcohol stove and try that, too. I won't be caught dead converting Bud Light. Appearances are everything.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Huh! on 11/26/2013 20:05:55 MST Print View

Hi Max

The early Bleuet canisters used a stove which actually punctured the steel canister - a hypodermic-like spike was screwed in. A rubber ring sealed the connection. For this reason you could not remove the stove once it had been attached, until the canister was empty. The Bleuet system is now regarded as dangerous - and I agree.

The next step was the development of the screw-thread canister by Epi-Gas in the UK, in order to allow safe stove removal. They took an existing 'Lindal' valve of known performance and had a steel canister made up to go with it. This Lindal valve comes in many variations and is used in nearly every pressurised canister in the world. Oh, to have shares in the German Lindal company!

You can read lots more about this in the Bushwalking FAQ (which I maintain) at www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/.

The short answer to you question is that the modern canister design ASSUMES you will remove the stove from the canister after every use.

Cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 11/27/2013 00:53:10 MST.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
Two years, and I still have stupid questions on 11/26/2013 20:23:50 MST Print View

There's no such thing as a stupid question! The only stupidity is not asking the question!

I've been backpacking for 72 years and still don't know everything!

Back in the 1980's when the only canister stove was the Bluet, you did have to keep the stove screwed on until the canister was empty. Now that we have all sorts of stoves/canisters with Lindahl valves, this isn't an issue. Just one example of why learning never stops!

I do put my ear to the top of the canister after I remove the burner--just in case there's escaping gas (in which case I'd put the burner back on in a hurry). I have never had this happen, though.

Edited by hikinggranny on 11/26/2013 20:31:41 MST.