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"Faux-dini": 2.3 oz. Windshirt, <$15 - Initial Review and Sourcing
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jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: morals on 11/18/2013 07:44:17 MST Print View

this thread wouldn't have been complete without Breaking Bad reference

eric and Franco, quit trying to drift this thread back to original topic

I admit - I've played a couple illegally copied games before. I have a music CD that must have been illegally copied. I've copied vinyl onto casette - is it illegal to make a copy for yourself and listen to it or do you have to sell it?

I've heard some people that make music say they didn't mind small scale copying - more people listen to their music and this may actually stimulate more sales.

If someone does a large scale counterfeiting operation they should probably be prosecuted.

There are a couple websites that I use that are free. After a while I figure it's really useful and donate some money. PBS on radio and TV also. Maybe this is a good business model. Especially if the creator wants to make a living, cover expenses, and do something good but not get "Bill Gates" rich.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: morals on 11/18/2013 17:14:13 MST Print View

"First hit from my google search"

Thanks for the link, Ian. It's at least plausible, although the scepticism genes buried in my DNA whisper that if you want to really get support for your cause, link it to terrorism in our paranoid post 9/11 state of mind. Still, it is eminently plausible. Hizbullah is certainly not averse to that approach, and cunning enough to pull it off. Ditto Al Qaeda in the Maghreb. If it has also been proven conclusively enough to send someone to Sing Sing, as opposed to basing it on Kelly's word, that pretty much settles it. If you tell me that is the case, I'll take you at your word.

Sharon J.
(squark) - F

Locale: SF Bay area
copyrighting clothing designs on 11/18/2013 19:00:25 MST Print View

Saw this Ted talk last night on the topic of fashion and intellectual property. Thought it might be somewhat germane to the discussion here, although I have not made any attempt to verify her claims:

Paul Andronico
(Jakesandwich) - MLife

Locale: S.F. Bay Area
XXL fits like US Medium on 11/20/2013 16:43:53 MST Print View

I received my XXL wind shirt today and it fits like a US medium from my perspective. At 5' 11" and 180+ pounds, the back length is good and the fit is athletic, but the arms are an inch or two too short and the hood pulls down on the top of my head. Very breathable material compared the 2013 Houdini.

(smoke) - F
Crap! on 11/20/2013 16:57:36 MST Print View

Thanks for the sizing info, but that's not what I wanted to hear. I won't be able to fit into the XXL, so I guess I'm SOL.

And E
(LunchANDYnner) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
uhoh on 11/20/2013 17:21:10 MST Print View

Wuhoh, I should've gone even bigger. I'm normally at the upper end of a small and I ordered a large,.... Should've ordered an XL so I could fit some layers underneath.
Well, I'll just have to see how it fits when I get mine.

Thanks for the update.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: uhoh on 11/20/2013 18:15:40 MST Print View

I ordered 2 and only received 1.

Don't think I'll get the other as they do nothing with feedback.

And yes, an XXL would fit like a medium with short arms.

Edited by awsorensen on 11/20/2013 19:32:44 MST.

(smoke) - F
Simple on 11/20/2013 19:22:47 MST Print View

Contact Seller. If you don't get a response, file a dispute with Paypal. You should get your second shirt or get your $ back.

scree ride
Too funny on 11/20/2013 19:48:47 MST Print View

Other then that, how'd it work for ya?

Ian B.

Locale: PNW
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" on 11/21/2013 18:43:47 MST Print View

When I said that I was done with this thread, I meant it. I had moved on and really had no interest in revisiting it.

The only reason I'm re addressing this is I finally found the section of law which shows that I'm wrong. From what I've read at the below link, per the Code of Federal Regulation and CBP policy, you can bring one counterfeit item into the U.S.

What can I say. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. My position, reasoning, and experience as to why you shouldn't support the black market remains but my legal argument is gone. I concede defeat.

Since I'm throwing myself on the sword. It was brought to my attention yesterday that my wording seemed to attack the OP. I was honestly surprised when I read that. I was certainly going after people on this thread and doing everything I could to bring on the apocalypse but nothing I was saying was directed at the OP and I deeply regret that I wasn't more specific about this along the way. She had no way of knowing that the item was counterfeit, that was clear to me and I thought to everyone, and I guess I mistakenly thought it was implied. I have already offered her my apologies in private and corrected one of my responses to make it clearer but I figured I might as well throw it out there.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" on 11/21/2013 22:54:41 MST Print View

Ian, you are an honourable man. Thank you for posting this.


David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" on 11/21/2013 23:53:57 MST Print View

Color me surprised too. That it was codified to a number, specifically one. Usually it is something vague like "items of de minimis value" although I assumed it was simply "not allowed in the country" and only as a de facto matter did no ones care about small quantities of low-value items.

Interesting that, "Customs officers shall permit the arriving person to retain one article of each type accompanying the person. For example, an arriving person who has three purses, whether each bears a different unauthorized trademark or whether all three bear the same unauthorized trademark, is permitted one purse."

Ian, thanks for the update. Clearly it was an honest mistake on your part and working on cases involving commercial quantities, something you'd never deal with in your work.

Philip B
(PXB) - MLife
Doing the right thing on 11/22/2013 07:00:51 MST Print View

This thread was so inspiring I was inspired to write a blog post so I wouldn't forget the lessons I learnt here.

K ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Doing the right thing on 11/22/2013 07:09:14 MST Print View

What you got from this is :
"Don't buy imported gear".....

Including cars, phones, computers, clothes, oil etc.

Ian B.

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" on 11/22/2013 08:08:25 MST Print View


Thanks for the kinds words.


"working on cases involving commercial quantities"

Thanks for giving me an out Dave:)

As far as importation goes, Title 19 USC wades through some murky waters and it really takes a specialist who's familiar with not only the law but case law as well for their Circuit. If I were to encounter one of these cases (distributor), I'd kick it over to CBP or DHS/HSI like a hot potato. The case I have knowledge of wasn't mine; sorry if I implied otherwise as that was not my intent. Edit to add: As typical, it's not uncommon for multiple agencies to be involved in a single case from investigation to incarceration and beyond. The case as I presented it is factual but the IPR aspect of it wasn't me. I wish I could explain it better.

Now I'm really done.

Edited by IDBLOOM on 11/22/2013 09:50:28 MST.

Jon Leibowitz
(jleeb) - F - MLife

Locale: 4Corners
A review on 11/23/2013 18:20:28 MST Print View

For those interested, I just received mine. It is clearly a counterfeit, stolen off the production line, or perhaps they were defects that were tossed and "repurposed". There really is no way to know.

I say that it is clearly one of the above because of what I know with certainty now that I received one: First, it comes in a Jack Wolfskin plastic bag. Second, it says Jack Wolfskin in two places on the actual garment. And Third, the tag that came on the jacket is the official red and back Jack Wolfskin tag stating, "At home outdoors in wind and rain - JACK WOLFSKIN OUTDOOR APPAREL is your reliable partner in every situation........" in German, English, French, and Chinese. The tag even points to their official website of

As to the actual wind shirt.... the thing is light and of seemingly very high quality (without being tested in the field). I got an XL and it fits me. I'm 6' and 160 pounds and usually wear mediums in nearly everything. It is very light and very breathable. The cuffs, entire bottom, and hood has elastic banding to ensure tight fight. The stowaway hood is nice but a little awkward when deployed. It seems very breathable. There is a zippered chest pocket which is a nice feature and the full-length zipper seems like it's decent quality. All in all, I gotta say this is going to me goto wind shirt next summer. I'll be testing it out this winter for its wind protection because it almost seems too breathable.

Edited by jleeb on 11/23/2013 18:27:07 MST.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - M

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: A review on 11/23/2013 19:02:05 MST Print View

"I got an XL and it fits me. I'm 6' and 160 pounds and usually wear mediums in nearly everything."

Are Asian people really that tiny?
I can't believe the sizing is so off.

Jon Leibowitz
(jleeb) - F - MLife

Locale: 4Corners
Re: Re: A review on 11/23/2013 19:04:56 MST Print View

I don't know if all Asians are, but apparently Chinese are ;)

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: Re: Re: A review on 11/23/2013 19:50:13 MST Print View

well looking at the colours, this might be "womens" sizing even if its labelled as unisex ...

a mens M is more or less a womens XL ... for those of us that crossdress ...

as to AZNs ... the AZNs in north america tend to be larger belly wise than those back in the homeland ... however the japanese due to excellent nutrition tend to be taller than the chinese or japanese decades ago ... and the korean are catching up, as are affluent chinese

while genetics does play a factor, nutrition especially in childhood is a major factor ...

you can easily see AZN sizing at the dead bird, westcomb, sugoi factory sales where all the AZN sizing, XS/S/M, are cleared out instantly ....


And E
(LunchANDYnner) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
delayed on 11/23/2013 20:01:57 MST Print View

Sucks to hear that it could be stolen/counterfeit. Interesting though, that the tags actually point to the legitimate site. I've never bought counterfeit stuff before so I don't know what's standard practice.

My order is slightly delayed as they accidentally mixed in another person's order into mine and one of the two jackets I ordered got left out. chntrade contacted me officially through eBay to let me know of their goof and that my jacket has been sent out and to just keep the extra item as a gift.

So, they get some brownie points and break even from me for quick communication despite the delay. I'm a bit worried hearing about the sizes, as I ordered a large. I'm 5'6" and 155lbs, 38" chest. I'm usually at the upper end of a small and was hoping to get this to fit like a medium so I can have room to layer under it.

Oh well, guess I'll find out when I get it.