Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web.
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Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/11/2013 22:17:49 MST Print View

Depends on how difficult it is to get to a place. If it's something just off the beaten track, easily accessible, then hell no don't post it!
If it takes some buswhacking, rock scrambling, river wading, poison oak filled adventure to get there, then sure... post it.

I've posted a few trip reports from my canyon rambling adventures in Big Sur, but those trips are kind of beyond the comfort level of most hikers, not really beyond their skill level, just comfort level. If anyone can haul their ass up to the Window in Big Sur, that's the kind of person I wouldn't mind seeing out there and chatting with.

On the other hand, it's nice going into an area that yields no search results in google. You never know what you will find.

Edited by justin_baker on 11/11/2013 22:56:01 MST.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/11/2013 22:22:32 MST Print View

"Point is, if you keep them secret they will remain secret because 99% of the population, for one reason or another, is not going to make the effort to find their own little pieces of heaven. "


Nick! Are you trying to say that since you found some gems and enjoy them without the crowds, you don't want to give them up to everyone else? How selfish. You should have to share them with everyone.

;)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/11/2013 22:24:36 MST Print View

"BTW, I am going hiking in Louisiana in a couple of weeks -- any advice on alligators?"

Nick, do you mean a recipe?

--B.G.--

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/11/2013 22:30:16 MST Print View

No, not sure if I should be worried -- black bears don't worry me.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Alligators on 11/11/2013 22:39:24 MST Print View

Nick we swam in rivers that had gators when I worked at a Therapy camp. They weren't real thick though. They do come up on land just be aware.

Personally I'd look at renting a kayak or canoe you could probably see more that way and you could actually get closer to a gator. Course you'd see more people boating which I know you won't like. Its probably hunting season there and there will be a LOT more people hunting then in CA, I'd wear orange.

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web." on 11/11/2013 22:50:59 MST Print View

Swimming with gators...that's therapy in Louisiana. Replace all your nervous ticks with one big fear?

Edited by book on 11/11/2013 22:51:40 MST.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/11/2013 22:51:46 MST Print View

"How selfish. You should have to share them with everyone."

Shame on selfish ol' Nick!

BTW, I saw your post tonight about all the trails you are finding near your house. Pretty cool. See if you can find some old Topo maps of the area, try the library. I have found remnants of old trails that I put together with old maps that have been removed from newer versions. Sometimes they are old Native American trails.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 08:27:52 MST Print View

I figure if I share a location and other people visit it, it will be less likely to be clear cut.

And if I can encourage people go out in the wilderness more, they will develop a better attitude and start treating each other better which will ripple out and create world peace : )

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 09:02:52 MST Print View

here is an alternative view for those who are hesitant to share their secret spots ...
by sharing these spots and bringing in hoards of others who in your opinion destroy them for your private use, you are freeing yourself of the strings that tie you to these spots and allowing yourself to soar once again in search of something new and possibly even better. I would argue the search is much more valuable than the spot.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 09:17:16 MST Print View

Art,

I alluded to that in my first post.

However, some of us have favorite places that are close to home and enable us to take quick one or two night trips without the logistics of driving somewhere far. You see, I have an inventory of around 140 days per year that can potentially be used for outdoor pursuits. Unfortunately (or fortunately) 104 of them are 2-day weekends, which is why you rarely see me posting here on weekends -- I am usually backpacking or camping.

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 09:49:36 MST Print View

Really depends. On the coast, there are so many people, you may want to keep your nature stash secret. In the interior west, most are drawn to the high-points (along crests and going up to peaks), hot springs, camps with reliable water, etc.. though I know some hiking parties who specially try to find un-maintained trails and try to get more traffic going through to support keeping more wilderness. Of course many trails have been burnt in the last few years of mega-fire, so the point may be moot.

Louisiana can be nice this time of year if you can find some dry land to camp. Gets cold and damp in December though.

Ed: locales

Edited by hknewman on 11/12/2013 09:52:35 MST.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 10:29:28 MST Print View

Backpacker Magazine (yes, that paragon of outdoor virtue and wisdom) addressed this issue a few years ago, saying something to the effect that traffic to locations that they profiled would increase for a year or two afterwards but then would die back down to normal.

That said, a good falls or secret pool relatively near a major metropolitan area is probably best kept on "close hold" (trusted friends only).

I recently put together some route info for trips in the San Gorgonio Wilderness in S. Calif. These are all on trail trips with quota based wilderness permits required. It'll be interesting to see if visitation to these places increases. I did take one short cut off after Nick dunned me about the ears. :)

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 10:32:34 MST Print View

"BTW, I am going hiking in Louisiana in a couple of weeks -- any advice on alligators?"

Yeah, don't get eaten.

There is no limit to super cool places and routes that connect them together. The fun is stitching together a cool route then seeing if reality comes close to the plan. If you are just following a trip report with pictures, it takes the unknown out the trip for the most part.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 16:56:38 MST Print View

"There is no limit to super cool places and routes that connect them together. The fun is stitching together a cool route then seeing if reality comes close to the plan."

+1 big time! That's where the fun is.

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - M

Locale: Grand Canyon State
Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 11/12/2013 18:05:57 MST Print View

The OP mentioned that "secret spots" are part of the surfing culture -- same thing in the climbing world. Sometimes the person who put up a sport route (not visible from a road) will keep it strictly sworn to secrecy for as long as possible.

In general, these things are largely self-screening: the more off-trail and difficult-to-get-to a place is, the fewer people you'll see. Even in Grand Canyon, we often spend multiple days in the backcountry seeing only one other group, and often seeing no one! Let me tell you, Surprise Valley in June is NOT crowded! ;~)

But honestly, even if you think that "no one has ever been to my secret spot" -- you're probably wrong. I have been bushwhacking DEEP in the backcountry in several states and found an old pen. or an old rusted can, etc. Many of us who search for indian ruins in the SW would NOT want to disturb them. We just look, take photos, and move on -- and we leave no trace.

Joe Geib
(joegeib) - F

Locale: Delaware & Lehigh Valleys
"Me Time" on 11/14/2013 13:59:32 MST Print View

Here in the crowded Northeast of NJ/NY/E.PA, it is difficult to find some quality spots.

With 2 little girls at home, I have a difficult time getting away for some "me time". And when I do, I often try and go early, so I don't miss much of the day. Also, things can tend to get a little crowded here - especially at places just off the interstates. I've managed to find some great spots at my local state park (though I now need to share it with MTBers), local game lands, some other state parks within 75min drive, and even some county and "private" open space places too.

Because of my infrequent venturing, and short window to do so, I am increasingly keeping these places close to my chest. I used to be a hike leader for the AMC, but have since shied away from that, and rather than sharing my places, I have tried to keep them secret. Additionally - and since I am such an introvert - I tend to enjoy the woods either alone or in a tiny group of close friends. I tend to not like the 'social' nature of the group-led AMC hikes. Also, I like to do my outings at my pace ("fast") and start time ("early"), and would rather not want to cater to the needs of a larger group (late start, slow pace, all-day adventure).

EDIT: I'd like to add that on a recent outing to my local Nat.Rec. Area, I was able to find some trails to give me the mileage and solitude that I desired. I didn't see another person until the return end of my loop (along popular trails). Bliss.

Lastly, I want to try and keep my favorite places to myself, and then share them (and the reasons why I like them) with my girls when the time comes. Sharing the places with too many other people might sully the "specialness" that sharing the secret place with my girls would bring.

Edited by joegeib on 11/15/2013 06:29:03 MST.

Bas Hommes
(BHommes)

Locale: Europe
Not sharing. on 11/15/2013 01:13:00 MST Print View

I don't share where I go. I like secrets and solitude.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web." on 11/19/2013 17:06:27 MST Print View

"In general, these things are largely self-screening: the more off-trail and difficult-to-get-to a place is, the fewer people you'll see."
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I agree with this. In my neck of the woods, 5 miles screens out most of the hordes. Once you get past the 5 mile mark (from the trailhead) you're pretty much alone. Go off trail and you can be alone well before that. The more vertical gain, the quicker the crowds disappear. I do most of my hiking in the mountains, for that reason.

I love reading trip reports, but completely understand when people choose not to divulge exact locations. I just like reading about the trip and seeing the photos.

Piper S.
(sbhikes) - F

Locale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Re: "Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web." on 11/21/2013 09:47:01 MST Print View

In general, in my area, even if something is well-publicized you can be fairly certain beyond the 5-10 mile mark you will not see another person. Go out on an ordinary weekend, not a holiday, and your odds increase that you won't see another person. I have a fairly popular website about local trails and still the typical conversation about any of the places I go is "where's that?" Usually followed by "you're crazy!" People go to the front country trails and that's about it.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Sharing (Or Not) Locations and Logistics on the Web. on 12/03/2013 20:43:07 MST Print View

Finding and Keeping Secret Places Secret

Edited by ngatel on 12/03/2013 20:45:14 MST.