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Jeremy Rardin
(JearBear) - M

Locale: Cumberland Trail
Please...Do Spray Paint on 11/03/2013 17:48:51 MST Print View

"Be pleased, O Lord, to deliver me!
O Lord, make haste to help me!"

I was day hiking with some friends on the Cumberland Trail, Laurel-Snow Section, when we came across "Psalms 40:13" spray painted on a large rock.

My heart started pounding, wondering to myself... was it a snake, a twisted ankle, or were the rumors of the panther really true?? (No joke, this was an actual rumor)

Of course, neither of these dangers were the root cause of why someone spray painted a rock alongside the trail. The real cause was an apparent lack of knowledge of what "Leave No Trace" means.

Being a Christian myself, I am not against sharing with people that I see God as my ultimate Helper. I am, however, against spray painting bible verses, penises (peni, penis', plural for penis), Jim "hearts" Alice (only later to return to say "You broke my heart" beneath the earlier inscription), and just feeling the need to tell people that you were there 'first'.

I am aware that the culprit is not going to read this, but please... Stop ruining the experience of the existential peace true outdoor enthusiasts find by reminding us that there is an entire society of people like you that live not but an hour away.

Thank you for bearing with me through this time of venting, I hope you were able to laugh at my exaggerated sarcasm. I am not a hateful person, only hopeful that I can one day take my child hiking without having to tell him/her why there is a giant spray painted penis next to our favorite overlook.Buzzard Point Overlook, Laurel-Snow, Dayton, TN

Edited by JearBear on 11/04/2013 23:31:46 MST.

Dena Kelley
(EagleRiverDee) - M

Locale: Eagle River, Alaska
"Psalms 40:13" on 11/04/2013 10:25:07 MST Print View

I agree with you. Being a person of faith myself, I feel God most particularly when I'm in the wilderness and I like that. But I completely agree that LNT philosophy should prevail in all but the most extreme circumstances. I could totally understand if someone wrote on a rock or tree their direction of travel if they were in a survival situation and were trying to self-rescue, for example. But to just write or draw on rocks or trees just because...yeah, that's uncool.

Jeremy Rardin
(JearBear) - M

Locale: Cumberland Trail
I agree on 11/04/2013 10:56:07 MST Print View

I appreciate the like-mindedness, happy trails!

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - M

Locale: Southeast
Re: Please...Do Spray Paint on 11/04/2013 11:34:14 MST Print View

Lol. Small world. I was also on the Cumberland Trail recently and someone spray painted "Amy sucks a big xxxx" on a shelter. That trail must bring it out in people.

Ryan

Andrew Stow
(AndyS) - F - MLife

Locale: Midwest USA
Ultralight on 11/04/2013 12:55:07 MST Print View

These small cans are the UL vandal's choice.

http://www.krylon.com/products/short-cuts-aerosol-paints/

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Ultralight on 11/04/2013 13:15:05 MST Print View

Andy,
Thanks for the link. Good to know what's out there.

There's some stuff I want to obliterate with brown/gray/green but I wasn't looking forward to the regular sized cans.

Jeremy Rardin
(JearBear) - M

Locale: Cumberland Trail
Solution on 11/04/2013 14:36:42 MST Print View

To Ryan,

Another Cumberland Trail hiker! Have you done any over night section hikes?


Andy and Greg,

All UL base-weights should include small cans of spray paint now. UL Vigilantes

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - M

Locale: Southeast
Re: Solution on 11/04/2013 17:45:03 MST Print View

Jeremy,

No overnight sections yet, only day hikes from the Bruce Gap/Cove Lake trail head. I've gone up and over Cross Mtn down to Montgomery Fork(~8.5mi), and then back the other way, up over Devil's Racetrack and down to the Tank Springs trail head in Lafollette(~11mi). My uncle does trail building for the CTC so he is always telling me about the trail, bridges they have built, etc. They are near Soddy Daisy right now. What section are you near?

Ryan

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Ultralight on 11/04/2013 17:49:52 MST Print View

I've done a lot of graffiti cleanup in the outdoors.
For painting over stuff on rock, I like the flattest generally matching color I can find. Masonry paint is the best. While the paint is still wet, sprinkle a liberal amount of local dirt and sand into it for texture and even better color match.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
There are better ways on 11/04/2013 17:56:39 MST Print View

Craig, I like the "sprinkle local sand" idea. +1.

Mostly my clean-ups are in caves which are more delicate and harder to work in.

I'll disagree a little that route-finding graffiti is okay. In a true survival situation, sure. But to find your way out of a cave? NO, not spray paint. String is better than paint and far easier to clean up. Or do what real cavers do in very complicated maze-work: dip popsicle sticks in fluorescent (or reflective) paint/tape on one end. Leave the bright end pointing towards the exit. Pick them all up on your way out.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Re: There are better ways on 11/04/2013 18:02:36 MST Print View

And I'll disagree with the OP that graffiti for God is okay while expressions of romantic love and anatomy lessons are not.

I find it all to be undesirable graffiti, arguably criminal on public land, and a distraction from the inspirational thoughts I have in the outdoors which are more than any human words or diagrams invoke.

People draw all of those things on my beach, but it's gone within 12 hours with the next high tide.

Paul Wagner
(balzaccom) - F

Locale: Wine Country
religious graffitti on 11/04/2013 18:43:44 MST Print View

When you consider that Christians (and many others) believe that God created all wilderness, you have to wonder what they're thinking when they spray paint it.

Do they also spray their pews in church>?

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: religious graffitti on 11/04/2013 19:47:51 MST Print View

hush my big mouth





Yeah I decided against jumping here. I have nothing to add but hurtful words to some, which I don't wanna do.
...well I WANNA but I'm not gonna

Edited by WoodenWizard on 11/04/2013 20:58:04 MST.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: religious graffitti on 11/04/2013 20:05:00 MST Print View

G, G, and G - don't go there....

Kelly G
(KellyDT) - F
spray paint on 11/04/2013 20:11:01 MST Print View

Speaking of removing spray paint...Some brain surgeon put big red bands of spray paint on a trail in the Mt. Hood National Forest, on the trees themselves. Anyone know of an effective way to deal with it? I guess I'm afraid that if I cover it up with (brown) spray paint, that eventually it will chip away and you'll see the red again anyway. May be best to just let it weather.
Kelly

Ian Destroyer of Forums
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: religious graffitti on 11/04/2013 20:13:20 MST Print View

"And I'll disagree with the OP that graffiti for God is okay while expressions of romantic love and anatomy lessons are not."

I can't speak for the OP but I don't believe that is what he was saying.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: spray paint on 11/04/2013 20:20:02 MST Print View

Kelly,
I've used ultra flat camo paint for this. I use tan, gray, green and black. I spray just a just little of each in a random "impressionistic" style, a little wider and irregular than what's there, then step back 10' and squint. Repeat as needed. Don't try to completely cover the spot. Just break it up. It takes a little practice but although "something" will be there, it won't be a glaring blotch of red or blue or whatever.

I'm also toying with the idea of "stencils" to approximate the vertical barring of the bark. Just a chunk of light plastic (milk jug?) with a rough slot to restrict the black to a vertical path.

Edited by greg23 on 11/04/2013 20:26:25 MST.

Kelly G
(KellyDT) - F
Thanks Greg on 11/04/2013 20:26:51 MST Print View

I'd forgotten there was camo spray paint. That should cover up really well. Now I just need to get there. The snow has seriously started on Mt. Hood. Might have to wait until the snow is gone :)
Kelly

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Kelly on 11/04/2013 20:31:23 MST Print View

"Some brain surgeon put big red bands of spray paint on a trail in the Mt. Hood National Forest, on the trees themselves."

Check with Forestry to make sure those aren't trees marked for removal...

Around here, if it goes all the way around the tree, the "blues" remain and "yellows" go.

Here the bozo mountain bikers just spray a blue circle on a tree on each side of the (poached) route, so it's pretty obvious what's going on.

Edited by greg23 on 11/04/2013 20:59:48 MST.

Jeremy Rardin
(JearBear) - M

Locale: Cumberland Trail
Misunderstanding on 11/04/2013 23:24:12 MST Print View

I am not claiming that it is appropriate for Christians to spray paint the wilderness. My intention is to say that I don't think anyone should be spray painting the rocks and trees unless covering graffiti or marking trail..and that should be done in a way that leaves a minimal impact.