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Steve Zavoda
(Anotherdyemention) - F

Locale: NE Ohio
More down jacket talk on 10/31/2013 13:58:05 MDT Print View

Mine narrowed my search down to three jackets.
The golite demaree hooded jacket 16 oz 800 fill down and 4 oz of fill
The golite Selkirk 6 oz 800 fill down 70 g of fill
And the montbell UL parka 9 oz 800 fill down 2.5 oz of fill

After reading, I kinda feel like the demaree would be overkill. I'm in NE Ohio and planning on backpacking down to 30 degrees. I have a 20 degree down back and will also be bringing a mid weight base layer for sleeping and use while in camp. I'll also already have in a LW base layer as well as a windshirt. And of course I'll have a rain shell, gloves, and a hat.
From what I read in here, that should be more than enough warmth options for down to 30. I hate to carry an extra 9 oz (demaree) when I can get away with 6 or 9. I just don't have the firsthand knowledge about what would be acceptable. I car camp in the winter every year but not so concerned with being cold when my car is ten feet away.
Thanks
I may also consider the MB EX light but that's the most expensive. I'd rather keep it under 150.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
More down jacket talk on 10/31/2013 14:14:46 MDT Print View

If you fit a size XL, this is hard to beat.

http://www.campsaver.com/alpine-light-down-jacket-2012-men-s

Edit: fixed link

Edited by skopeo on 10/31/2013 14:15:49 MDT.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
re on 10/31/2013 14:20:43 MDT Print View

I just bought a backcountry.com anorak. 7.5 oz in medium and roughly 130 bucks. Used it on a cold night and am really liking forward to using it more.

Steve Zavoda
(Anotherdyemention) - F

Locale: NE Ohio
Alpine light on 10/31/2013 14:21:21 MDT Print View

That still has 4 oz of fill and weighs more than twice what the Selkirk weighs. Just not sure if I need that much extra insulation

Stephen Komae
(skomae) - MLife

Locale: northeastern US
Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 14:25:44 MDT Print View

I just dropped by Uniqlo last night to check out how their ultralight down jackets are.

They are, in a word, nice and befitting of the ultralight title. I don't know exactly how heavy the men's hooded are but they are definitely well under 1 lb, perhaps even 10oz. Uniqlo quotes the women's large hooded parka as being 206g.

They're also only $70 for the hooded version, which has just enough hood volume to (barely) fit a climbing helmet or a warm hat. Sizing is similar to Patagonia "regular fit". I wear a medium in most brands and with a heavy 300wt fleece on I was still able to comfortably wear a medium Uniqlo parka.

If you are a 3-season backpacker looking to add a little extra warmth to your clothing system this is probably a good one to look into.

As a winter backpacker I think it wouldn't do enough to justify the weight as I'd much rather snuggle into my (albeit much heavier at 21oz) Patagonia Fitzroy. Even then I'm considering the Uniqlo hooded down parka as a belay jacket for rock climbing into the late fall and early spring since it is small and light and would carry easily on my harness.

Steve Zavoda
(Anotherdyemention) - F

Locale: NE Ohio
Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 14:45:58 MDT Print View

Do you happen to know what kind of fill they use? It just says 90% down and 10% feathers.

Stephen Komae
(skomae) - MLife

Locale: northeastern US
Re: Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 14:55:48 MDT Print View

Yes, they claim minimum of 640 fill or higher. However, there's a lot of speculation that they are probably not using the American standard of fill power calculation since the down appears such high quality that it's more like 750 by the American standard.

That said, it is a pretty skinny jacket so they aren't using that much fill either. Competitors in this space like the Patagonia Ultralight Down Jacket (much more expensive, btw), appear to have similar loft but a noticeable amount of overfill.

Apparently they are using nice fabric, from Toray.

Some more information can be found on BPL...
http://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Abackpackinglight.com+uniqlo

Edited by skomae on 10/31/2013 14:57:30 MDT.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 15:25:16 MDT Print View

Stephen,

My Uniqlo hooded down jacket weighs 10.5oz in an XL size IIRC. It's a terrific jacket for $70.


Ryan

Steve Zavoda
(Anotherdyemention) - F

Locale: NE Ohio
Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 15:59:41 MDT Print View

Hey Ryan, do you feel your jacket would be warm enough in say 30* with a midweight base layer and a windshirt on? Possibly another lightweight base and a rain shell. That's basically what I need this for. Like my OP, I don't want too heavy a jacket and I'm thinking the 4oz fill is overkill. So this sounds nice but not sure about the warmth.

Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 16:13:30 MDT Print View

I have the Uniqlo jacket. it's nice and warm for an outing, but I found it not warm enough for 30º at rest with a baselayer.

For the weight and price, it's great. I use it as a travel jacket and casual jacket, but I wouldn't call it a serious jacket for camping in winter unless it's to supplement something else.

However, if I had to, Baselayer + Fleece + Uniqlo + Shell could probably do for mild winters. I haven't had it that long (about a week) but it's been used down to 22º out here.

Edited by mdilthey on 10/31/2013 16:16:10 MDT.

Lance Stalnaker
(Katangi)
From an Ohioan on 10/31/2013 17:48:42 MDT Print View

You may plan on backpacking/camping down to 30, but you are in NE Ohio, I would be prepared for worse than advertised weather here. Better safe than sorry, you know what the weather is like here, 65 one afternoon and 25 that night, I have backpacked in southern OH in shorts and 60 degree weather in the Fall only to get snow and temps in the low 20's at night. I would think about it and consider your experiences here assuming you are from here. I have had temps swing 20 or more degrees from what the forecast called for and had rain when none was expected and been hot when it was supposed to be called and dry when it called for horrible storms.

I would go for one of each, I have about 4 of each...good luck!

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Does it not get too cold in Ohio on 10/31/2013 18:19:34 MDT Print View

I thought it would get below 0f lot in Ohio as I have seen -13f in Michigan on trips and many nights of -5f in a row.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Uniqlo on 10/31/2013 19:52:01 MDT Print View

Steve-

At rest in 30 deg weather, it would be close with the other clothes you mentioned and the Uniqlo jacket. Maybe. It's a great jacket for the money, but it's noticeably less warm than my Montbell UL down jacket. Probably ~5 deg less warm or more.

Ryan

Steve Zavoda
(Anotherdyemention) - F

Locale: NE Ohio
Lance on 10/31/2013 19:56:11 MDT Print View

You're absolutely right Lance. I've been here my whole life and they forecast is only right half the time. Actually to the point that I've jus stopped checking it for some time now. So you've helped me make my mind up on the golite demaree parka. It's affordable, warm, and only weighs 1.3 oz more than the MB alpine light. And believe me, I wish I could get one of each jacket. But I have a one year old baby, bills, and limited funds. So I gotta find gear that I can get the most use out of. Unfortunately, it appears that I'll have to sacrifice a bit of weight savings to do that. But no biggie. As long as I get out. That's all that really matters.

And yes it can get pretty cold up here. Doesn't drop below zero very often but that's pretty much January and February. I'd only plan on late November and possibly a nice weekend in December.
Thanks everyone

Lance Stalnaker
(Katangi)
cool on 10/31/2013 20:35:35 MDT Print View

I do not think you will be sorry you went warmer. Golite makes some nice, light and affordable gear. I almost bought that same jacket, but just figured I have enough. I have packed my MH phantom on more than one trip I thought I would not need it and did here in OH, and remember, standing around in it for hours is a lot different than going from the car to the store and back. Ohio has some crazy weather, enjoy it.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Re: Alpine light on 10/31/2013 20:47:15 MDT Print View

I think the MB Alpine Light is slightly more featured and the larger baffles might make for fewer cold spots. A little cheaper in the MB outlet too.

http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=127&p_id=2301361

The only negative I can see with it is might be a little short in the torso for some.

Now if you can wait a few weeks, I bet you'll see Golite offer a an additional 15-20% OFF sitewide for T-Day sale. The Bitteroot would be much more attractive at ~$160 IMO.

Edited by rmjapan on 10/31/2013 20:48:08 MDT.

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: Tokyo, Japan
Marmot Ama Dablam Parka on 11/01/2013 03:59:45 MDT Print View

Steve, I have a coupon valid thru Sat 11/2 that will let you get a Marmot Ama Dablam Parka for only $98.97 + a $15 e-gift card for a net $84.

Size XL in Slate Grey only. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ0_5U4_wto

Marmot doesn't give out the complete specs but I would guess it has ~140g+ of down and a lightweight 20D shell. Similar to the Golite Roan Plateau.

PM me if you want it.

Edited by rmjapan on 11/01/2013 04:25:44 MDT.

Link .
(annapurna) - MLife
Re: More down jacket talk on 11/01/2013 08:37:05 MDT Print View

the Ex Light Down Jacket is also on sale in all sizes,if you don't mind the color choices. Here is Sticks first impression of his new Ex Light with video so you can see the fit.

Edited by annapurna on 11/01/2013 08:53:24 MDT.