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Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Progressives should not embrace ACA on 10/30/2013 12:26:29 MDT Print View

Or so says a very interesting article by Michael Lind:

I also enjoyed most of the first response - perhaps one of the best defenses of the Tea Party I've yet read. In part:

"The radical right, if you mean Tea Partiers like me, do not want to destroy social security, and we sure as hell do not want a mandate to buy annuities. ... Tea Partiers just don't want to pass on debt to our descendants. We have no problem with safety nets. In fact, most of us believe those should be the second last to go (behind national defense -- if we're dead or conquered, we can't help anyone). If America could afford it, you would see Tea Party rallies for increasing Social Security, Medicare, and even health care benefits. There would still be Tea Party rallies against taxpayers funding cowboy poetry, boondoggles for Mitch McConnell's district, studies of how shrimp run on treadmills, tax exempt status for the multi-billion dollar NFL, tax credits for Hollywood (not exactly a struggling industry trying to break into the global marketplace), hand-outs for Wall Street Banks without congressional approval, ... cutting food stamps to shore up union teachers' pension benefits ..., etc., etc. Stop the crony capitalism and so-called government investments. The government does not know how to invest, and even if it does it ignores solid investment principles and "invests" with an eye toward a political outcome - both GOP and Dems -- not with an eye toward efficiency or fairness."

(god I hate this forum software sometimes)

Edited by idester on 10/30/2013 12:29:43 MDT.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Progressives should not embrace ACA on 10/30/2013 19:45:28 MDT Print View

If this is the tone they would have kept from inception to today, I'd be one of their strongest supporters. Unfortunately they have so many members getting involved in issues which have nothing to do with the Tea Party core principles that they've really destroyed their reputation imo.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Progressives should not embrace ACA on 10/30/2013 19:50:28 MDT Print View

"If this is the tone they would have kept from inception to today, I'd be one of their strongest supporters. Unfortunately they have so many members getting involved in issues which have nothing to do with the Tea Party core principles that they've really destroyed their reputation imo."

I agree. Do read the article I link to if you haven't - it's a very interesting take on the ACA from a person on the left, not the right.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Re: Progressives should not embrace ACA on 10/30/2013 20:14:07 MDT Print View

Interesting article Doug, thanks.

I will never understand how the government forcing people into the hands of for-profit, private health care providers could be called a "progressive" victory or labeled "socialist" by its opponents. By definition, it's more in line with fascism.

spelt with a t
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
Re: Progressives should not embrace ACA on 10/30/2013 21:19:12 MDT Print View

Actual progressives, aka those whose politics go beyond "registered Democrats who support gay marriage" have been highly critical of the ACA. Most have accepted that it is a marginal first step that will with time and effort lead to something better, where better equals less corporate control and more like existing single payer systems.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Progressives should not embrace ACA on 10/31/2013 07:42:15 MDT Print View

Thanks for that Doug; I definitively learned something there.

Here is something related to "passing debt onto our descendants". It's pretty clever..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Li0no7O9zmE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLi0no7O9zmE

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Progressives should not embrace ACA on 11/03/2013 17:48:40 MST Print View

"Actual progressives, aka those whose politics go beyond "registered Democrats who support gay marriage" have been highly critical of the ACA. Most have accepted that it is a marginal first step that will with time and effort lead to something better, where better equals less corporate control and more like existing single payer systems"

1000% agree