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Ken Miller
(Powderpiggy) - F

Locale: Colorado
The liberal rip cord on 10/22/2013 19:05:12 MDT Print View

Seems that whenever a liberal is losing an argument, they pull the "racist" rip cord.

Jerry is right, republicans pushed the Civil Rights act over the goal. Of course now all the racist southern democrats are republicans.

Clinton told Teddy Kennedy that during his administration Obama would have been serving them coffee. Of course he couldn't be viewed as racist, a democrat and the first black President.

Who was the 95 year old democrat Senator they laid in state at the Capitol from West Virginia. He was a leader in the KKK. Clinton said he had to be a member of the KKK to get elected.

The end justifies the means.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F - M

Locale: Oregon
Tea Party Haters on 10/22/2013 19:08:25 MDT Print View

""Yes, I even recall seeing an African American man speaking at a Tea Party rally to a cheering crowd."


Was he telling them he was going to Africa?"


Here you go, Ken:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOURiyy_6XA

Matt

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Racism on 10/22/2013 19:29:17 MDT Print View

"Arguing the racist or not racist card boils it down to the minimum common denominator."

The optimist in me says that means we've got no place to go but up. ;0)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: The liberal rip cord on 10/22/2013 19:29:39 MDT Print View

"Who was the 95 year old democrat Senator they laid in state at the Capitol from West Virginia. He was a leader in the KKK. Clinton said he had to be a member of the KKK to get elected."

Was that Byrd. He changed his mind about racism which is good. And like you said, that was more typical of the time.

So what does that have to do with Tea Partiers being racist?

Dean L
(AldoLeopold) - F

Locale: Great Lakes
Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/22/2013 19:37:53 MDT Print View

Matt

TR-can't agree with that. His reforms, pre-presidency (civil service, police commissioner), as president (trust busting, workplace, consumer protection, natural resources) would place him directly at odds with todays right. McKinley only took him as a VP to quash his progressive views. Remember too, that he started the Bull Moose party specifically because Taft didn't continue his programs. If I remember correctly Taft in the 1912 election, garnered the lowest vote% of any incumbent president.

As for Lincoln (charity for all, malice towards none) and Eisenhower (beware the Military Industrial Complex), those ideals would hardly fit into a conservative view in the increasingly strident era of the modern politics.

The old democratic south is now a republican stronghold and the old Yankee New England, is now a liberal one. Old labels hardly fit any more.

Edited by AldoLeopold on 10/22/2013 22:45:10 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: The liberal rip cord on 10/22/2013 19:38:51 MDT Print View

"Seems that whenever a liberal is losing an argument, they pull the "racist" rip cord."

The causes you guys espouse make it too easy, even for moderates. I suspect even a lot of conservatives cringe at some of the positions taken by you "patriots", as you will no doubt find out in 2014, when corporate interests subject you to a primarying of your own. Then maybe we can get down to sorting this country out, with men and women of good will on both sides sitting down to negotiate and end up, as it used to be, in the middle.

Dean L
(AldoLeopold) - F

Locale: Great Lakes
TR and John Muir at Glacier Point. on 10/22/2013 20:53:11 MDT Print View

Matt

TR invoked the Antiquities act to preserve millions of acres for all the people, do you disagree with that action? Carter and Clinton did the same thing, do you disagree with that? Johnson passed the Wilderness Act. Even Nixon passed the Clean Water Act, greatly expanded the Clean Air Act and started the EPA. None of these things are popular with the TP, conservatives or the right in general then or today.

So isn't it a bit of dichotomy for someone who greatly admires TR, enjoys the outdoors and would seem to have a vested interest in preserving it, espouse a political spectrum that is at odds with it? I am not trying to be snarky, just perplexed.

Edited by AldoLeopold on 10/22/2013 22:42:49 MDT.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F - M

Locale: Oregon
Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 01:37:33 MDT Print View

"A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user."
Theodore Roosevelt



"dichotomy"...Teddy Roosevelt was the epitome of that word. He believed in and lamented the fate of the plains buffalo, while at the same time shooting one of the last specimens of the animal in the Badlands. People aren't black and white, good and bad. Sometimes great men and women are works in progress. Looks like i'm in very good company. Never said I was a Tea Party member, either, just that I can certainly identify with them and their goals of limited government, liberty and personal responsibility (conservatism, in my opinion). Think what you will about me, but you're probably going to be wrong. By the way, what makes you think Tea Party members are "at odds" with the outdoors and the environment (an absolutely ludicrous hypothesis, by the way.)? Don't their children have to breathe the same air and drink the same water or hike the same trails as Liberl's kids? When you actually start engaging people with other opinions and beliefs, they become people, not just stereotypes you are told by your political parties to hate because they are "the enemy". A good example of that in this very thread is when someone asked, quite sarcastically, if there were any black Tea Party members and I produced a video of a black man speaking out at a Tea Party rally. Hmmmm.....maybe we shouldn't label people, and start talking to each other as equals, instead? Funny how all Liberals see is skin color and try and put people in ideological boxes based on those preconceived notions. How about we get past the race card and just hear each others words? Wouldn't that just piss off both parties? :)

Matt

PS--I still think Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Lincoln would be conservatives...because there are an awful lot of us true conservatives around with their same values, even today. They're called the Libertarian wing of the GOP, and you guys tend to hate them and their filibusters. :)

Here's one i'd love to see people wearing in 2016 (for the color blind only) BULLY!:

bull moose party

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 02:16:26 MDT.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F - M

Locale: Oregon
Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 02:21:30 MDT Print View

Dean...Carter also gave away the Panama Canal...Roosevelt would have shot him on the spot for that and I would have helped. What's your point?
LOL

Matt

teddy

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 02:26:14 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 08:01:11 MDT Print View

"Carter also gave away the Panama Canal"

the lease expired

it's someone else's country, empires are a bad idea

the earth did not stop rotating on it's axis after Panama regained control

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Re: Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 08:37:11 MDT Print View

the lease expired

Dear God (double face palm / giggles)

Jerry. - stay healthy my friend.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F - M

Locale: Oregon
Faces of the Tea Party - 'We are not the KKK' on 10/23/2013 10:02:10 MDT Print View

Just came across this today, on Nbcnews.com , no less:

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2010/10/20/.UmdW2FZndS0.facebook

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Faces of the Tea Party - 'We are not the KKK'

Emery McClendon is a husband, father, Air Force retiree, Christian, a FedEx driver, amateur radio guy and photographer. In general, his race is beside the point.

But this series is about the Tea Party, a movement that struggles to persuade some observers that it is not merely a racist reaction to a black president. The 59-year-old McClendon, as can clearly be seen in James Cheng’s photo, is a black man. He is also a prominent voice in the Tea Party movement.

McClendon was among the highlighted speakers at a recent rally in administration against the health-care package, adding his voice to the chorus with this message: the Tea Party movement has nothing to do with race.

“We are not the KKK,” he boomed with rhetorical flourish. “We are patriots.”

McClendon was raised at a time when the black population was overwhelmingly Democratic. It wasn’t easy to “come out” as a conservative Republican.

“I grew up in a household where they would break your neck if you voted any other way,” says McClendon. “But they were very conservative. My parents really didn’t know how conservative they were.”

The Fort Wayne native served in the Air Force for four years then joined the Indiana Air Guard. His 23 years as a FedEx driver paid the bills while he and his wife, Queenie, raised their three sons.

Over time McClendon decided that his views on abortion, limited government and taxation - principles he says he learned from his parents - just didn’t match liberal views.

“I ended up thinking I wasn’t a Democrat or a Republican, but more of a Reagan conservative,” he says, and he has voted accordingly since the election of George H.W. Bush.

By the time McClendon established the local Tea Party chapter last year, he had a network of conservative friends. At the group’s first rally in front of the Fort Wayne courthouse, former conservative presidential candidate Alan Keyes delivered the keynote address.

Since then, McClendon has frequently been invited to speak at Tea Party events in Indiana and elsewhere. Public speaking comes easily to him, he says, because as a child he used to travel with his uncle, a bishop for the Church of God in Christ, listening to preachers and talking morals and values.

The warm reception he receives at Tea Party events isn’t universal, even among family members.
“I’ve been called an Uncle Tom,” he says. “They say (I) should support the president because he’s the first black president. I support the president. I just don’t agree with his beliefs.”

If you get right down to it, McClendon is pretty disgusted by President Obama - even writing that Obama’s election was the saddest day of his life.

“I never thought the American people would fall for a person they didn’t know anything about,” says McClendon. “He has Socialist views and, even worse, Marxist…. He goes around the world bowing to leaders and talks about how the market system doesn’t work.”

In McClendon’s view, this show of presidential humility doesn’t mesh with the notion of “American exceptionalism” that is embraced by the Tea Party.

“We stand above because of our morals, our Constitution,” says McClendon.

“(The Tea Party) is a group of individuals who love their country and feel they are losing their country. They are finding out there are other people who are standing up for principles…. When we return to those principles, we will return to exceptionalism.”

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 10:04:42 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Faces of the Tea Party - 'We are not the KKK' on 10/23/2013 10:14:10 MDT Print View

you missed the headline

"Breaking news! Black man found in Tea Party rally!"

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F - M

Locale: Oregon
Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 10:54:07 MDT Print View

"There you go, again, Jerry...." (Reagan voice)

:)

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 11:06:20 MDT.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 15:42:54 MDT Print View

The Teabilly Party.....the party of lunatics! Say hi to the likes of Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin. Anyone that would vote for those idiots as well as their brothers and sisters need to have their heads examined

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 15:58:09 MDT Print View

You can always tell someone is about to drop some knowledge when they say something like "The Teabilly Party.....the party of lunatics!"

I don't support them either but I guess I don't understand all the raw emotion here.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F - M

Locale: Oregon
Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 18:26:55 MDT Print View

"You can always tell someone is about to drop some knowledge when they say something like "The Teabilly Party.....the party of lunatics!"

I don't support them either but I guess I don't understand all the raw emotion here."

Very simple, Ian...haters gonna hate, man. Yeah...Liberals are the "sensitive" party. Ha!

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 18:33:46 MDT.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 19:23:07 MDT Print View

I find the tea party completely fake.
I assume they are alluding to no taxation without representation.
There was an election. They just did not win enough seats and the presidency.

Fake as in Ted Cruz's wife is a managing director at Goldman Sachs. Harvard MBA.
And Ted is just another ivy league, elitist too.

And where were the Tea Party when 43 took a budget surplus and made it a deficit?

Fakers all.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 19:38:08 MDT Print View

Does the term Bats**t crazy count?

michelle

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Tea Party Haters on 10/23/2013 19:39:17 MDT Print View

and yes Matthew....some of us Libs are not the type to be messed with.....not all of us are kumbya :)

Now onto normal programming