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Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:40:15 MDT Print View

Well if you can't bote then you have solutions then.....right?


You just seem to snipe at others in chaff...not only this thread but many others. I do too at times. You're not perfect....go take a hike and explore...post a trip report...offer advice on hikes...(which you obviously rarely do..... )

;)

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:44:41 MDT Print View

"You just seem to snipe at others in chaff...not only this thread but many others. I do too at times. You're not perfect....go take a hike and explore...post a trip report...offer advice on hikes...(which you obviously rarely do..... )"


I am far from perfect, you are right about that. I do hike, I don't post trip reports of places that have dozens of them already. I rarely have better advice than others give here.
I snipe, but it is only noticeable to you because it isn't toward the people you dislike. I also refrain from posting when incoherent.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:45:49 MDT Print View

"I am one of the very few that calls liberals here when they either get offensive, claim to be objective or display narrow minded thinking while claiming otherwise. Most of BPL gives them a pass no matter how they act. When a conservative crosses the line there are dozens ready to rip him apart."

I don't think that's objective

There are many people that are critical of liberals - Fred, Matt, Michael L, Ken Miller(may have my Ken's mixed up), Delmar, ..., many others in the past that are currently dormant like Nick,

I think it's approximately even. Sometimes there will be more liberal criticism, and sometimes there will be more conservative criticism

Why don't you like Obama?

Of course, we don't have to resolve anything here, we're all just internet trolls and should probably go outside and go hiking : )

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:46:37 MDT Print View

Yup....the morality police called Kat...good for you!!!! Since you can't vote here then you have no voice....shhhhhh

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:47:34 MDT Print View

"But, Christ, haven't you seen some of the gun flamewars here?"

I have. It may be where I first noticed how lopsided things are. But what gets me the most how when I been told that insulting those with views opposing the left, is perfectly legitimate.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:49:18 MDT Print View

You do fantastic job insulting others Kat...then chastise others for doing the same lol

Edited by kennyhel77 on 10/26/2013 10:51:12 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re Kat on 10/26/2013 10:52:26 MDT Print View

Switzerland, Italy - not as socialist as Soviet Union but socialist enough : )

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:52:36 MDT Print View

@Jerry, no to is not even. It does not have to be, but it still does not make it ok to bully the minority, which yes, does happen.
As far as Obama, I mostly object to his continued war on drugs, his drone policy ( including American citizens) , his shaking hands with the man that "allowed " the massacres of Sabra and Shatila.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re Kat on 10/26/2013 10:55:14 MDT Print View

"Switzerland, Italy - not as socialist as Soviet Union but socialist enough : )"

Yes, and I see Switzerland as having a working blend of social programs and good incentives for businesses. Also, a very decentralized government.
Italy is a can of worms....

Edited by Kat_P on 10/26/2013 10:56:22 MDT.

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:55:38 MDT Print View

@Jerry-- "I think it's approximately even. Sometimes there will be more liberal criticism, and sometimes there will be more conservative criticism"

Well, I guess I'd have to disagree with you there, jerry. I could be a victim of observation bias (as could you) but I have noticed far more liberals around here than conservatives. As I have said before many times- just try posting a reasonable gun question and see how long it takes for someone to call you a psychopath or accuse you of living in fear or whatever the current buzzword is. It's never very long. Carrying a gun in the backcountry has become a defacto taboo subject here. If you like I'll hop over to the main chaff page and arrange a demonstration.

That's the extreme example, granted. But the trend holds.

Now, where I will agree with you is that I have started to notice MORE conservatives spouting off. That may indeed be the influence of the Tea Party at work, since spouting is sort of their thing. And a lot of it is indistinguishable from trolling. But I still think there is more liberal spouting in general, most of it unopposed. It also tends to be done in a manner that implies that the author assumes that all rational people must agree with him, which is annoying, but granted it's a trait that the Tea partiers share.

Edited by acrosome on 10/26/2013 10:58:25 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 10:56:25 MDT Print View

"You do fantastic job insulting others Kat...then chastise others for doing the same lol"

Ordinarily, I ignore people flaming each other, but since I started the Flame Kat thread, I don't think Kat's comments are that bad. Occasionally says something I don't agree with but there are much worse flamethrowers. Usually is fairly objective. Easy to misinterpret people's comments on the internets.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Yes on 10/26/2013 11:02:46 MDT Print View

I try and walk my talk, but I fall and fail too. I think I try pretty hard to maintain a civil tone.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 11:03:12 MDT Print View

Please show me a thread where Katharina has attacked someone on a personal level. I see her call out poor behavior and argue her point but I've yet to see her make cheap personal attacks. I'd argue that she's one of the more critical thinkers in this forum.

The same cannot be said for the extremists and cheerleaders from both sides on this forum.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 11:05:13 MDT Print View

I probably agree with what you say more than anyone else here Dean. I call myself a little left of center but those are all just labels. Like gun control - totally ineffective, no chance of passing anything, proposing legislation makes things worse, liberals like to talk about it to drum up support, I have shot guns a little but probably won't ever do it again,...

Before 2012 election there was a lot of political chaff, I thought there were more conservatives than liberals but maybe just "observation bias", in that case though someone proposed I run for president of the U.S. (but again, it was probably just a humorous way of saying I was being a troll)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 11:07:03 MDT Print View

"Please show me a thread where Katharina has attacked someone on a personal level. I see her call out poor behavior and argue her point but I've yet to see her make cheap personal attacks. I'd argue that she's one of the more critical thinkers in this forum."

well said Ian (another conservative but very reasonable, open minded, civil,...)

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 11:08:35 MDT Print View

"You do fantastic job insulting others Kat...then chastise others for doing the same lol"

Please give an example

James Couch
(JBC) - M

Locale: Cascade Mountains
Reminds me of a joke... on 10/26/2013 11:09:46 MDT Print View

"Yes, and I see Switzerland as having a working blend of social programs and good incentives for businesses. Also, a very decentralized government.
Italy is a can of worms...."



Heaven and Hell

Heaven Is Where:

The French are the chefs
The Italians are the lovers
The British are the police
The Germans are the mechanics
And the Swiss make everything run on time

Hell is Where:

The British are the chefs
The Swiss are the lovers
The French are the mechanics
The Italians make everything run on time
And the Germans are the police

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
I do on 10/26/2013 11:13:52 MDT Print View

"Please give an example"

Well, my last few posts to Jerry have not been the most civil. I do get frustrated but I usually try for a relatively long time before I get there.



Edited to add an example, mentioned earlier
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=78640&startat=220

Edited by Kat_P on 10/26/2013 11:42:16 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Chaff supreme. on 10/26/2013 11:16:51 MDT Print View

"Since you can't vote here then you have no voice....shhhhhh"

She has her right to voice an opinion. Have you Ken H. voted in every single election that you could? Every one? Or only the one you have an opinion on?

Wow. Looks like the old days of Chaff when posts here and gear swap are the majority. I don't really know what you are all on about. Just an observation.

Dean started the longest running Chaff thread in BPL history with the Carbon Flame War. I'll bet a gun thread would run pages and pages. Always do.

Edited by kthompson on 10/26/2013 11:35:41 MDT.

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fantastical on 10/26/2013 11:18:45 MDT Print View

@ "I probably agree with what you say more than anyone else here Dean."

You're kidding. Right? Don't we fight a lot?

@ "I call myself a little left of center but those are all just labels."

Again, you must be kidding. I thought you were an uber-pinko. Seriously. What did I miss? Lay out your beliefs for me, jerry... :)

So, you don't want to take me up on the Great Gun Thread Experiment? I guess it would qualify as trolling, wouldn't it? Yeah, bad form. Offer retracted.