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Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 15:46:46 MDT Print View

Given how beautiful the weather is year-round in California, there isn't much reason to not go backpacking in the winter. A few of us have been planning a trip to Yosemite on the weekend of November 23-24 and it would be fun if some other fellow BPLers joined us for the trip.

The itinerary is to hike up the Yosemite Falls Trail to the north rim of the Valley, and then up to the top of Eagle Peak. Conditions permitting, we will camp on top of Eagle Peak and enjoy what John Muir called the "most comprehensive of all the views" of Yosemite Valley for the sunset & sunrise. We can also take a short off-trail diversion to Eagle Tower, which directly overlooks the Yosemite Falls amphitheater, and to Yosemite Point, which looks out over the impressive Lost Arrow Spire (which my wife and I have stood on top of) and the Valley below. This trail is justifiably popular in the summer when it gets hordes of tourists, but by late November we should nearly have the place to ourselves. It's only 6 miles to the top of Eagle Peak, but the elevation gain is 3700 feet, so it is a strenuous hike.

Since it is getting to be late in the season, there is the possibility of cold temperatures and snow, so you should be prepared for such. However, November in the Valley can also be really nice with sunny weather and moderate temperatures. We will have a better idea of what to expect as the trip gets closer, but you should be prepared for overnight lows that will probably be in the high 20's but could dip down into the teens if there is a cold snap. The Falls trail is south-facing and gets a lot of sun, so unless there is a big snowstorm within a day or two of the trip the trail up to the rim should be dry. Right now there has not been a big snowstorm yet, so the North Rim is dry ground, but if we get a big dump before then, that could change in which case you might want to pack an extra sleeping mat and footwear for hiking over snow.

The group size limit is 15. Right now we have 4 people coming for sure and another 4 maybes, so there are at least 7 spots available. I got a campsite at Upper Pines in the Valley for Friday the 22nd and am planning on driving up the night before. The campground only lets you have 6 people per campsite, but the campground is nearly empty so if anyone else is interested in hanging out the night before it should be easy to secure a spot.

Post up if you'd like to come along!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 15:53:16 MDT Print View

There is no water at all near the top of Eagle Peak. You might find it in Eagle Peak Creek, but that may be a mile or more away, up and down hill.

--B.G.--

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 15:56:44 MDT Print View

Yep, we will have to carry water in, but the view should be worth it. Why don't you join us Bob?

Manfred Kopisch
(Orienteering) - F
Thanks for setting this up on 10/21/2013 16:59:35 MDT Print View

Andrew,

Michelle and I are interested. Have you thought about making it a loop? Continue on to El Capitan and Ribbon Meadow and use the Old Big Oak Flat Road (Rockslide Trail) via Rainbow View to complete the loop. The link gives you several good reasons why this might not be a good idea - and the trail has now disappeared from Yosemite maps. To me it looks like a nice adventure, if the weather is supportive of scrambling over talus.

Any thoughts?

Manfred

Edited by Orienteering on 10/21/2013 21:29:43 MDT.

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 17:35:57 MDT Print View

Manfred,

Yeah, I've actually done the Rockslides loop before which is why I suggested going up via the Falls trail. The old road is a nice hike and not at all difficult, unless it was covered in snow in which case a GPS would be helpful for staying on route from Cascade Creek to Ribbon Meadow. My goal this time was to see Eagle Peak since I haven't been up there before and I thought it would make the hike accessible to more people, but you and Michelle could easily take that way in and meet us on top of Eagle Peak on Saturday. Or you could hike in via the Falls Trail on Saturday and out via the old road on Sunday. That would be a nice variation if you haven't done the Rockslides before. If you are brave you can walk down and look over the edge of El Cap.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 17:45:29 MDT Print View

"Yep, we will have to carry water in, but the view should be worth it."

I've been up Eagle Peak too many times to count, and there isn't a great deal of level ground except maybe a few hundred yards back downhill from the top. Some people who drive around Yosemite Valley can think of it as the top of the Three Brothers rock formation.

You might think of the tip-top as having the best view. However, it is a bad place to have a bout of vertigo. The best scene for photographers is shooting east from a point about 75 yards before the summit.

Eagle Peak Creek might possibly have some water in it, but it won't be much by this late in the season. The only good thing about that is that the meadow will be dried out enough to stop the mosquito cloud.

--B.G.--

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 17:49:49 MDT Print View

"Why don't you join us Bob?"

I lol'ed.

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 18:31:59 MDT Print View

Why don't you join us Justin? :)

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 19:00:14 MDT Print View

I would love to join you Andrew, but I only have a 3 season kit (my summerlite won't cut it, lol) and don't have the funds to get a shoulder season kit together yet... and I don't know what my schedule would be like at that time.
It sounds like an awesome trip, thanks for the offer.

David W.
(Davidpcvsamoa) - MLife

Locale: East Bay, CA
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/21/2013 22:15:48 MDT Print View

Thanks for posting this Andrew. Please count me in.

James Winstead
(James_W)

Locale: CA
Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24" on 10/22/2013 10:15:31 MDT Print View

Justin, don't let that stop you! All I have is a summerlite too. Just shake the down to the top (so its kinda like a quilt) and bring an extra pad. Might not be the most comfy night ever, but I'm expecting that to take me tolerably down to low 20's. Hot water bottle would be my last resort.

James Castleberry
(Winterland76)
Yosemite Falls Trail on 10/22/2013 11:09:56 MDT Print View

I tried this hike back in February. I really enjoyed it and would like to maybe go again. I don't use a GPS and I sort of lost the trail in the snow eventually, but I would like to do it again.
What I enjoyed the most was seeing the snow-lined banks of Yosemite Creek.
Yosemite Falls Trail

Here is another. Yosemite Falls Trail

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/22/2013 12:00:07 MDT Print View

David, glad you can make it.

Justin, we might be able to cobble together some extra gear for you if that's all that is keeping you from coming. Otherwise, hopefully I'll see you at the GGG.

Thanks for the pics James. It'd be great if it looks like that for this trip, but I'm gambling that there won't be as much (or any) snow, unless we get a storm between now and then.

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
. on 10/22/2013 21:45:11 MDT Print View

Well I just cleared my schedule and am in for this trip. With a little luck I won't have to force my next knee surgery afterwards.
I'll be the guy with the kitchen sink strapped to his pack hobbling along.

Erik Dietz
(erikdtz)

Locale: Los Angeles
Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak on 10/28/2013 00:14:40 MDT Print View

Hi Andrew,

If there is still room I'd like to go. I have no experience with winter backpacking but I'd like to go and maybe learn a few things if that's ok.

Thanks for planning this. It sounds like a lot of fun.


Erik

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/28/2013 09:56:34 MDT Print View

Brian, glad you can make it. You might want to bring some hiking poles... years ago when I had IT band syndrome coming down the Falls Trail with 40 lbs of climbing gear did a number on my knees.

Erik, there's still room, by my count we are up to 13 (of 15). I think two of my "maybes" will not be able to make it so we have space for at least 2 if not 4 more. Hopefully this will turn out to be a nice gentle introduction to colder weather backpacking.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 10/31/2013 13:08:11 MDT Print View

Andrew, put me down as a "maybe". It looks like I may be able to free up. I wonder if the snow is going to keep up? I'm sort of hoping so.

Justin whether or not I end up going, I can loan you a 40-45º quilt to supplement your summerlite which will get you to around 15º fairly comfortably, and a down air mattress. If you want to hang out and socialize in the evening you'll still need some warm clothes though...

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
. on 10/31/2013 19:54:07 MDT Print View

Just to update this, I also have a camp spot reserved for Friday night of this trip in Upper Pines campground. I understand Andrews spot is full, I will have room for one car and 5 people at my spot if that helps anyone out. If anyone is interested in caravanning just contact me. I will be driving separately from the Bay area crowd since I am a few hours east of them.
ETA, Yosemite Falls is dry as of 5 days ago.

Edited by Aggro on 10/31/2013 20:09:50 MDT.

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 11/13/2013 14:01:21 MST Print View

Still looks beautiful out there. No snow on the ground and overnight lows in the 30's this week. One more week 'til this trip!

Elizabeth Tracy
(mariposa) - M

Locale: Outside
Still have room? on 11/17/2013 17:30:17 MST Print View

Do you still have room? If so, count me in!

I would like to carpool with someone from the Bay Area. Ride in my car, or yours - doesn't matter to me.

- Elizabeth

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 11/17/2013 17:47:26 MST Print View

Elizabeth, we have plenty of room, come and join us. I think we are at 11 people right now.

In terms of carpooling, by my count we have 7 people coming from the Bay Area, so we should be able to fit in 2 cars. My wife and I are picking Chris and James up from the Dublin BART on Friday evening. Elizabeth, you should send Manfred a PM and see if you can ride together.

We will be in the Upper Pines campground at site # 135, though we might not get there til pretty late (10:00 PM?)

Manfred Kopisch
(Orienteering) - F
Car Pool to Yosemite on 11/17/2013 19:57:14 MST Print View

We will leave right after work - meaning by 5:30 pm. Our minivan seats 7 - so theoretically we could all go in the minivan and save the gas for the second car.

Elizabeth, what would be the best way to meet with you? We are in Menlo Park. Do you want to come to our house and park your car here?

Manfred

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
Camping in Yosemite on 11/17/2013 20:45:44 MST Print View

I'm planning to arrive in Yosemite Friday afternoon. I'm in Upper Pines spot 125 so wave as you go by! Looks like pretty nice weather for this trip.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Camping in Yosemite on 11/18/2013 17:36:23 MST Print View

"Why don't you join us Bob?

I lol'ed."


why laugh? I have hiked with Bob and he is a joy to hike with. My bet is that he can out hike you and he is old enough to be your grandfather.....that is saying something. That was rude

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Camping in Yosemite on 11/18/2013 17:47:42 MST Print View

Come on Ken, we all know that Bob is a computer program with an encyclopedic knowledge of ultralight backpacking that was programmed by Ryan Jordan ;)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Camping in Yosemite on 11/18/2013 18:13:50 MST Print View

"he is old enough to be your grandfather"

I resemble that remark.

It's not how old you are that counts, it's how old you think you are.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Camping in Yosemite on 11/18/2013 18:15:51 MST Print View

"Bob is a computer program"

Sort of like Alan Turing meets John Muir.

--B.G.--

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Camping in Yosemite on 11/18/2013 19:05:32 MST Print View

Both Bob and Justin I +1 your comments...friggen made me laugh....nice guys!

Elizabeth Tracy
(mariposa) - M

Locale: Outside
bear canister share on 11/19/2013 10:14:15 MST Print View

Anyone want to share a bear canister?

I have a Bearikade Weekender. Silly to carry it just for myself.

I guess we can sort this all out in camp.

- Elizabeth

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
Re: bear canister share on 11/19/2013 13:32:49 MST Print View

My thoughts exactly. I'll be bringing a can but it will not be full. We can discuss at camp like you suggested. I have no problem putting your food in mine or whatever works out.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 11/19/2013 22:20:54 MST Print View

Thanks for the offer Jacob, but I won't be able to make it. Too much stuff going on right now.
I'm really looking forward to a trip report.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 11/19/2013 23:44:03 MST Print View

Hey guys,

Wish I could make this one, but I'm out!, (bad impression of the Shark Tank)

You guys may want to check the weather again, looks like snow during the week.

Jack

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
Re: Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 11/20/2013 09:40:17 MST Print View

I'm watching it daily. I edited an earlier post discussing the weather but it didn't take I guess. Rain and snow forecasted but a clear Saturday and Sunday as of last night. Maybe I won't have to carry so much water now.

George Maung
(georgemaung) - F

Locale: BayArea
One more? on 11/21/2013 01:11:31 MST Print View

I would like to come if a spot is still available. I was up in Vernal falls this past Monday and it was clear and sunny. The Yosemite Falls was dry. But with recent snow, it should be magical..

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Yosemite Falls & Eagle Peak, November 23-24 on 11/21/2013 09:48:11 MST Print View

We still have plenty of room George.

It's snowing right now in the Valley, but just an inch or two. Hopefully some of it will stick around until Saturday and we'll get some great snowy views. The weather looks good other than that - windy, but not too cold. The low on Saturday night is forecast to be 26F. If it's really windy we might end up camping in Eagle Peak Meadows instead of on top of Eagle Peak itself.

For those who don't find us by Friday evening in the campground, let's plan on meeting at 9:30 AM. Keep in mind you have to park near the Falls pullout or by Yosemite Village and walk towards Camp 4 to get to the trail, so the "trailhead" location is a bit fuzzy. Let's meet at the signed trail junction for the Falls trail just behind Camp 4 right before the trail starts climbing the hill.

Elizabeth Tracy
(mariposa) - M

Locale: Outside
I'm out on 11/21/2013 21:17:30 MST Print View

I'm out. :( Would have been great to meet some of you!

Let's do more of these meet-ups. Maybe I'll initiate one, most likely late-spring in the Sierras.

- Elizabeth

Brian Mix
(Aggro) - M

Locale: Western slope, Sierra Nevada
Campgrounds are closed in yosemite... on 11/21/2013 21:30:16 MST Print View

This from the .gov website: "A high wind warning is in effect from Thu, Nov. 21 at 7 pm through Sat, Nov. 23 at 4 am. The park is currently open, but all park campgrounds are closed as a safety precaution. Adjustments to closures may be made based on conditions and the forecast."

That being said, I am going to pack up in the morning and head out. I've got a 4 or 5 hour drive and will see what's up when I get into the valley. If I can't camp in the valley I will get a wilderness permit and hike to where I can camp. I will be ready for anything. (I hope)

Andrew F
(andrew.f) - F - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Campgrounds closed on 11/22/2013 10:04:32 MST Print View

OK, so with the campgrounds closed & the Rim Fire closing areas outside the park, there isn't anywhere to camp in or near the Valley this evening. Here is what the Park Service says [dated Thursday]:

"While the winds were calm earlier, the US National Weather Service Hanford California has issued a high wind warning for the Yosemite area from 7 pm tonight through Saturday morning at 4 am, with strongest winds expected between 1 am and 7 am tomorrow morning. While Yosemite is currently open, all park campgrounds are closed as a safety precaution. Based on the number of fallen trees across roads, affected power lines, or other hazardous situations, additional facility and road closures may be necessary."

UPDATE: OK, a few people cancelled due to the lack of campgrounds Friday night and the long drive for just one night out. We are going to go to Henry Coe instead for Saturday night. The plan is to go to Kelly Lake Saturday night via Coyote Creek/Hunting Hollow. I understand if you have a long drive and don't want to come all the way if we are not going to Yosemite. Hopefully people will still be able to make it and I will also plan on setting up another one of these trips sometime soon.

Edited by andrew.f on 11/22/2013 15:55:02 MST.

Jane Baack
(JaneB.) - MLife
Yosemite Falls and Eagle Peak trip on 11/22/2013 16:00:40 MST Print View

This may come too late but I'm putting it out in case it helps for your trip:

Just talked with a ranger at Yosemite. They believe hiking on Saturday will be fine as will camping Sat. night. He suggested I talk with Groveland District Ranger Station staff re: camping for tonight, Friday. So I did talk with a staff member out of Groveland.

If some still want to get close to Yosemite to camp tonight: About 6-7 miles past Groveland, drive off of Hwy. 120 to the right to the Grover Ranger District Office. Drive only 1/2 mile farther past the office bldg. on your left, to The Pines Campground which is OPEN. There is no water there, but there is a rest room, no fees at this time of year, no reservations/permits needed and no garbage cans-pack it out.

If you want more info. call the District Ranger office until 4:30 today: 209-962-7825

I am so sorry this great trip may have to be postponed. Hope this could help rescue it.

Jane

Edited: It should be the Groveland Ranger District Office not the "Grover"... which is off of Hwy. 120 out of Groveland.

Edited by JaneB. on 11/22/2013 16:06:37 MST.

George Maung
(georgemaung) - F

Locale: BayArea
Thanks on 11/24/2013 00:17:42 MST Print View

Andrew

Thanks for organizing the trip. Lets plan another one soon.