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(smoke) - F
Mylar Bath Tub Floor on 10/08/2013 09:03:24 MDT Print View

I am thinking about trying to make a BT floor/ground sheet from a mylar space blanket. I think I've got the corner cuts figured out, but how to bond it? Tape?- if so, what kind (keeping it light) or glue?- again, be specific.

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Mylar Bath Tub Floor on 10/08/2013 09:15:55 MDT Print View

I would use basic clear packing tape. It will far outlast the mylar space blanket.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Mylar Bath Tub Floor on 10/08/2013 09:34:41 MDT Print View

You could use 3M 9460 tape like they do for Cuben tents,

Jesse Reeves
(JesseR.) - F

Locale: Reno, NV
My only advice... on 10/08/2013 11:17:49 MDT Print View

I opted to give a "space blanket" a try as a floor for my Golite Shangri La 1 on my last trip out. It worked great, and with temperatures dipping into the teens, I feel like the reflective nature of it might have actually even helped preserve the R value of my sleeping pad. With that, I opted to use one of the SOL Emergency Blankets rather than the really cheap and crinkly mylar ones you commonly see. The SOL version is much tougher, nearly silent, and also a little bigger at 54"x86", and still under 3oz. It worked perfectly for the size of my Shangri La and left me a few inches to curve up against the wall when the wind was creeping in. I think that some packing tape would be more than sufficient, and it might be worth doubling some of the tape jobs so that in the event that you get the inevitable hole in it, you can peel a layer of tape off of and use it as a patch.

Randy Cain
(bagboy) - MLife

Locale: Palmdale, CA
SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/12/2013 18:27:35 MDT Print View

I screwed around for awhile trying to figure out a nice way to tape the corners to create a tub. Then I discovered that just tying a loose overhand knot in each corner was waaaaay better, takes no supplies, is adjustable, and most importantly takes no time. After all, we're talking about a groundsheet that's disposable.

I applied one zpacks 2.5" x 2.5" Stick on Loop (1.7gm each) in each inner corner of my Solomid and then threaded the zpacks "tiny cord lock" and their 1/16" shock cord through it. Then I could adjust the tension of the groundsheet at the cord lock. It will make more sense looking at the pics I think.1234

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/12/2013 18:33:55 MDT Print View

Excellent!
Thank You.

I have placed my SOL order and will soon have a new floor.

Valerie E
(Wildtowner) - F

Locale: Grand Canyon State
SOL Bathtub Shelter Floor on 10/12/2013 18:43:07 MDT Print View

Terrific idea!!!! It looks like you have it all figured out...Nice!

Randy Cain
(bagboy) - MLife

Locale: Palmdale, CA
More pics on 10/12/2013 22:59:52 MDT Print View

Here's more pics so you can get an idea of how large a tub you can make with an SOL Emergency Blanket. In the previous pics, I had adjusted the knots to make it a little smaller so that it would fit the Solomid.567

D S
(smoke) - F
Which One? on 10/13/2013 15:55:25 MDT Print View

Randy,

Did you use the 1 person or 2 person SOL Blanket?

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/13/2013 16:01:58 MDT Print View

Totally brilliant use of materials! That floor is tall enough to make a very effective wind break too. If things were cold, wet windy and nasty, you could take it loose and wrap it around you. It still has emergency use for first aid. I like it!

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/13/2013 16:28:41 MDT Print View

Doh! A great and simple idea!

I've used these blankets as a ground sheet but never thought about using it this way.

Randy Cain
(bagboy) - MLife

Locale: Palmdale, CA
Re: Which One? on 10/13/2013 17:24:23 MDT Print View

Dean, it's a 2 person. :)

Randy Cain
(bagboy) - MLife

Locale: Palmdale, CA
Re: Re: SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/13/2013 17:39:07 MDT Print View

Dale, I really dig the wind break function of the higher walls. I'm glad you mentioned converting it to a snug wrap if things got bad. I hadn't considered that.

I also like the idea of having one side that's bright orange and can be used for a signal device. I hope I never need it, but the recent snowstorm in the PNW with waist-deep snow brought an interesting reality check. The 23 year old PCT hiker, Alejandra Wilson, was bogged down in it and waited it out for several days before finally making her way out on her own. She saw the Coast Guard helicopter searching for her but "wasn't able to make herself visible." And as it flew away, she confessed to wondering if she would be able to survive, because she was so cold that she couldn't even sleep at night and just sat up and shivered. Scary situation, and it made me wonder if something bright like the SOL Blanket could've caught their attention. Sure couldn't hurt if it's built right into your gear and doesn't cost any extra weight.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/13/2013 18:41:15 MDT Print View

The signal value of the blanket would have been okay, but a mirror, bright headlamp and most of all, a big old bonfire would have been much better.

I'll opt for staying dry :) I need to make one of these floors for my SMD Gatewood Cape shelter.

Now, figure out a way to glue a tulle window curtain sheer liner to it for a bug screen.

John Harper
(johnnyh88) - M

Locale: PNW
Re: SOL Emergency Blanket on 10/14/2013 21:22:32 MDT Print View

How long do these usually last when used as groundsheets? Any comparison to polycro in regards to durability and compactness?

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Just use polycryo the same way on 10/14/2013 21:46:08 MDT Print View

Oh duh! Asking about polycryo vs the AMK material made the lightbulb go on! No reason you couldn't use polycryo to make a bathtub floor the same way.

That photo with the sleeping bag looks like a bear's take out dinner package :)

Edited by dwambaugh on 10/15/2013 09:56:30 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Just use polycryo the same way on 10/14/2013 21:53:43 MDT Print View

With a reflective material, it will be a little warmer so there will be less condensation, especially from your breath.

John Abela
(JohnAbela) - MLife

Locale: www.hikelighter.com
Re: Re: Re: SOL Emergency Blanket.... on 10/14/2013 21:56:26 MDT Print View

@Randy,

Man, a huge +1!!

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: SOL Emergency Blanket on 10/14/2013 21:57:19 MDT Print View

All the emergency info printed on the one side will scratch off in snow. Leaving black dust on anything damp. Once that all wears off you will probably have a hole or another reason to start the process over. But so much nicer in every other way compared to the standard mylar ones. Would like to see them offered with no printing on them though.

Randy Cain
(bagboy) - MLife

Locale: Palmdale, CA
SOL blanket on 10/15/2013 01:03:48 MDT Print View

Ken, I've gone through several of the SOL blankets in the past couple years and haven't had a problem with the flaking. I've noticed that some of the lettering comes off, but I haven't noticed it sticking to anything in particular. It just seems to sort of vanish.


John, I don't have hardly any experience with the polycro, so I can't compare it for you. How long it will last would totally depend on the type of environment you're using it in. The rocky Sierras will shred about anything it seems. I put a small rock twice the size of a golf ball in the corner of my zpacks cuben groundsheet on my last trip to hold it in place and found that apparently a sharp edge punctured it. And that's the thicker cuben; not the thinner stuff used for shelters. Frustrating. I've started laying my CCF pad down first and putting my groundsheet over it so that the foam pad can take the brunt of the punishment. The Ridgerest (which many loath) stands up to the abuse and nearly self-seals itself after a puncture. This will definitely extend the life of my groundsheets.

As Dale pointed out, you could do the same thing with a polycro sheet or any other material that floats your boat. That's the main thing of value that I've learned from this experimenting.

Edited by bagboy on 10/15/2013 01:17:20 MDT.