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Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/06/2013 19:00:13 MDT Print View

Here we go again. This thread is for training related posts. There is a separate thread for the actual trip details. So lets hear it, need some inspirational training stories to get me motivated.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/06/2013 19:22:14 MDT Print View

Cool Greg.

I'll use the format I used last time:
Day of week- miles (R)oad or (T)rail or (B)ackpacking with a weekly total.
Sample:
M- 3T / T- rest / W- 5R ....etc.

It's still a long way out, but the logs did help me get motivated last time around, so I'll start posting at the end of this coming week.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/07/2013 07:16:40 MDT Print View

it helps me as well, both as motivation and as a learning tool- the last training thread I learned a ton!

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/07/2013 09:56:38 MDT Print View

Perhaps not the the sort of inspiration you were looking for Greg, but if can't help but share this. So I figure ill kickstart this thread with a dose of humorous and vile reality.

So last week on a short recovery run post Mt Taylor 50K, I was quickly rounding a blind corner on the trail blocked by a large outcrop of boulders. Feeling surprisingly spry I quickly made the turn with my attention on a particularly rocky bit of footing. To my surprise I look up trail at a junction to find two heavy set individuals going at it on top of a flat boulder like they were in a casting scene for 'Wild Mating Beasts of the Serengeti'.

I wasn't able to immediately process what I was witnessing and once it clicked I halted my pace to a dead stop like Wile E Coyote, digging my heels into the trail. The only thing I thought to say was "Seriously!?", with my hands raised up in disgust at the couple. Understand, this was at 12 high noon with the sun overhead on a quick run on my lunch break. Quite possibly tje last thing I expected to see. The ritual took place right alongside the trail , a mere 4ft from where I needed to pass.

Without breaking his "stride" the dude shrugged his shoulder at me in slight embarrassment and says "come on by man, you can pass, don't mind me none!"

I turned around in a state of confusion and ended my run right there. Afterwards, having some time to collect my thoughts I wasn't sure whether I should have congratulated the guy or responded the way I had.

A first for me on a run and one for the books. This morning on a run with my friend out on the same trail we passed the flat rock where the act occurred and I jokingly nudged him and said," Hey Pete, stay away from that rock right there."


Happy running.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/07/2013 10:40:09 MDT Print View

on our SoCal trails we run by blond super models all the time,
but Eugene's experience .... arrrrrgggh

Edited by asandh on 10/07/2013 12:06:19 MDT.

Ozzy McKinney
(PorcupinePhobia) - F

Locale: PNW
The stoke on 10/07/2013 12:45:20 MDT Print View

Good idea for winter stoke for sure.

Not sure I'll have any reports with heavyset mating in them. At least I hope not. I thought you were going to say he invited you in! Ick.

But the sun is shining in the PNW right now, so the wife and I are headed out for a few miles around a local lake with nice single track. Last week I think I got in about 10 miles, this week hoping for a few more.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/08/2013 07:14:45 MDT Print View

blonde super models as well in Montana :)

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/08/2013 10:19:29 MDT Print View

Super models?


Time to relocate.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread on 10/13/2013 12:42:53 MDT Print View

I took it relatively easy this week as I found my legs were pretty fatigued from Sunday's race. Yesterday's run was not so easy however, 16 miles (8 in and 8 out) to the Sleeping Giant- no trail and roughly 5700' of elevation gain (much of the tiptoe variety!)- took us over 5 hours to complete!

week looked like this: strength/3 miles trails/off/6 miles trails/strength/16 miles trails/7 miles trails 32 miles total

Sleeping Giant (he's lying on his back- head to the right)

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Ozzy McKinney
(PorcupinePhobia) - F

Locale: PNW
Cool on 10/13/2013 18:42:21 MDT Print View

Looks like a cool spot Mike. I assume the second picture is of the giants "face"?

I clearly have some work to do. My week was 3/off/3/off/hike/off/3. For a grand total of 9 miles. But my brother is up from Chile with my 14 month old niece, so it has been fun to hang out with her. She is a hoot, and loves riding in the carrier for hikes. We took her on her first backpacking trip a few weeks ago, she digs it.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
sleeping giant on 10/13/2013 18:57:51 MDT Print View

yup that's from the backside looking at his face

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Maintenance Period???? on 10/18/2013 06:51:25 MDT Print View

I'm going to pull back my running a little- going to shoot for 25-30 miles/week vs 35-40+/week; I'll probably cut back to 4 days of running vs 5 as well

anyone have any thoughts on a what I anticipate as a couple of month pullback? I've been pushing it pretty good for the last 5-6 months and thought I might benefit from a little pullback???????

thoughts?

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Maintenance Period???? on 10/18/2013 08:54:36 MDT Print View

sounds like a smart idea Mike.
some down time can be very rejuvenating.
your plan is not even that much of a pullback compared to your normal training, so I would not be concerned about losing much.

(talk about down time, I have run 3 miles in the last 3 weeks, of course I'm putting in 16 hours a week house remodeling, so not exactly resting. great upper body cross training though).

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread - socks on 10/18/2013 13:52:55 MDT Print View

Assume no one is interested! :-)

Edited by idester on 10/19/2013 11:05:52 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Maintenance Period???? on 10/19/2013 10:50:54 MDT Print View

You'll be fine Mike.
I'm reading a training book right now that highly stresses the value of recovery and the fact that most more regular runners don't get enough of it.
Throw in some cross training cardio and stay off your legs a little while.
______________________________________________

Still paddling more miles than I run.

Broke a toe in the rocks surfing the Channel Islands last weekend so running is out for a little bit again.

I'm going to try something different this time around though:
3 runs/week max, with an emphasis on quality over quantity.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread - socks on 10/19/2013 11:14:58 MDT Print View

Doug- sent you a pm on the socks :)

Craig- ouch! what book are you reading on training? I think quality over quantity is the right track.

Mike

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Re: Re: 3rd Annual BPL Spring Run -Zion Training Thread - socks on 10/19/2013 11:33:11 MDT Print View

I'm not suggesting you're overtraining, Mike, but here's two recent articles from iRunfar that touch on the subject.

http://www.irunfar.com/2013/09/overtraining-syndrome-part-one.html

http://www.irunfar.com/2013/10/overtraining-syndrome-part-two-treatment-and-prevention.html

I still need to finish reading Part 1.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
training on 10/19/2013 11:45:00 MDT Print View

Eugene- thanks I'll read up on those. I don't think I'm really over training either, just that I might possibly benefit from a pullback for awhile, but then again maybe not :)

Mike

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: training on 10/19/2013 12:41:24 MDT Print View

Often the benefits to cutting back a percentage of volume are not even physical, rather more quality time at home, catching up on projects and loose ends, relationship with the spouse and kids, etc.

I'm currently enjoying a brief period of downtime from running. I'm supposed to run a few sections of course this weekend for a fatass 50K we're putting on late November, but an outdoor dining table project for my momma is in order.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: training on 10/19/2013 17:53:33 MDT Print View

Mike, I'm reading Run Less, Run Faster by Bill Pierce, Scott Murr, and Ray Moss.

The general premise is quality over quantity and adding intensity. Their programs build off of the idea of 3/2 workouts: 3 runs and 2 cross training sessions/week. One run is typically track intervals and repeats, one run is a short to medium but faster tempo, and one is long...but even on the long runs they favor adding a bit of intensity over mileage. The cross training workouts are supposed to be cardio based and fairly intense as well; primarily swimming and cycling. Something to keep your heart and lungs working, mix things up a bit and avoid burnout, and give the running muscles a rest.

I'm a notorious junk mile runner. I love running to be in the woods, don't get me wrong, but as for developing as a runner I've been on a plateau for a very long time. Their program makes sense to me, so we'll see.