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Max Dilthey
(mdilthey) - M

Locale: MaxTheCyclist.com
In reality, use your brain. on 10/08/2013 19:04:38 MDT Print View

I'm also a skeptic. I can only see a "bug out bag" being useful in your vehicle.

In my house right now, which is stocked by the expertise and foresight of a yoga teacher and a music theory professor (my parents), there's probably a good 2 weeks of supplies, first aid, and food. Easily. That seems to vastly out-do anything I'd put in a bug-out bag.

I see it as kind of an excuse to buy more stuff.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/08/2013 19:27:00 MDT Print View

Ever thought how and why hobos survive ?
It's because they are street smart.

Just remember that Stallone (Rambo) survived because he wrote the script...

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/08/2013 19:34:50 MDT Print View

Lots of dried beans.
;)

Thaddaeus Wharton
(Thadjw) - MLife
Re: on 10/09/2013 00:52:21 MDT Print View

I'm an active Air Force reservist officer and work in Space Situational Awareness (SSA) satellite systems. Space Wx in particular. Family members work in power grid consulting fields. Grid highly, highly unlikely to be brought down significantly by any solar event. Esp this cycle. US Govt could collapse in slow motion train wreck from too much debt... My one concern and I hope we are all cooperating to avoid this. Stow water and some food in case anything bad happens. We all should be somewhat prepared so we don't contribute to panic bc of lack of basic essentials. Pack enough to get you and yours to safety if need arises. Be able to move and protect yourself.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: on 10/09/2013 00:59:01 MDT Print View

I just hope that we avoid the total chaos that would occur if we don't end the confusion over 10-bit GPS week codes versus 13-bit GPS week codes.

Oh, the horror!

--B.G.--

David Gardner
(GearMaker) - M

Locale: Northern California
Re: In reality, use your brain. on 10/09/2013 01:09:10 MDT Print View

"I can only see a "bug out bag" being useful in your vehicle."

That's where mine is. Except the HK91.

"I see it as kind of an excuse to buy more stuff."

There's certainly a lot of cool stuff to buy, and I'll admit to being a gearhead. But virtually everything in a decent survival/emergency/disaster kit is items which I think most of us here on BPL already have and use for other things (camping, hunting, sports). The only item in my kit which I bought specifically for it is the crank-powered AM/FM radio/cell phone charger/flashlight. Just makes sense to keep it all together in one place where it can serve as an emergency kit or "bug out bag" or whatever it's called.

Here in earthquake country the "official" advice is to be prepared to be self-sufficient for at least 72 hours. Just keeping some food and fuel with our camping gear is probably all it takes for most of us.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/09/2013 01:37:42 MDT Print View

David,
no offence but you are obviously not one of the chosen ones.
If you knew the real impact of the incoming Solar Max* (any time now) you would not flippantly talk about a 72 hour survival.
I can't disclose any more information right now but it has all been verified by myself and me.

*feel free to change Solar Max with any other buz term that turns you on.

Later...
Well I watched The Road, full movie, on You Tube.
Thanks guys.
Very powerful imagery , touching narrative.
Loads of questions came to mind , for example :
Are we the good guys ?
Who is we ?

But just to bring the thread back to survival gear :
How much more butane is inside a full size Bic compered to the Mini ?
How long does a can of Coke keep its fizz?
but most of all, triggered but the first dramatic scene of father and son pushing that trolley , where can one find a shopping trolley like that , you know one without a wonky wheel ?

Edited by Franco on 10/09/2013 04:16:35 MDT.

Lowell Mills
(FarmHand357) - F
Re: Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/09/2013 08:46:33 MDT Print View

It's my understanding that the Aurora shooter specifically passed up several nearby theaters because they did not explicitly ban firearms by law-abiding patrons.

He chose one that did with a clearly labelled sign outside. That's why no citizens even had a chance to defend themselves with firearms, which they successfully do in this country between 800,000 and 2 million times per year (depending on who's counting). Oftentimes, the armed good guy stops a crime without ever having to fire a shot.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Re: on 10/09/2013 08:56:40 MDT Print View

I said i would not address this specific issue further, but i feel some things need to be cleared up.

Thaddeus, how highly unlikely?

Truth is, scientifically speaking, we cannot accurately predict the Sun's activity ahead of time (we do not fully understand how the sun works and there are too many variables we don't know about), we can only say something like, "well so far in this Solar Max cycle, the Sun has been producing less Sunspots than other Solar Max cycles and so it will probably be weaker throughout the cycle."

However, number of average sunspots do not equal a nice, neat correlation to size of Earth directed CME's necessarily in a singular sense. All it takes is one really large one from one Sunspot. The Sun is very much capable of producing that at any time during any Solar Maximum. There was a good sized one produced last week or so, and red auroras visible down to around 45 degrees latitudes. Red auroras, especially at those latitudes, are somewhat rare.

In short, the Sun scientifically speaking is a wild card, and we have no way of accurately predicting it's specific behavior from that perspective. It's not like terrestrial weather, which we can sort of predict accurately ahead of time (most times). As far as a large CME knocking out most of the electrical grid system in this country, there seems to be dissenting opinions among the experts and researchers.

Some point out the Quebec event was not due to transformers over heating/frying, but rather seven relays tripping almost at once. However, the Solar event that preceded the Quebec outage wasn't even close to the strength of a Carrington event. The Sun can produce flares and CME's stronger than the Carrington. It's sort of like comparing a 6. mag earthquake to a 9 mag. Most areas don't have to worry too much about a 6, but even well prepared areas would have extensive damage in a 9.

Would you expect the electrical grid system to hold up to events as strong, or stronger than a Carrington like event?

Why not practically speaking, prepare for the worst and hope for the best or vice versa? Does that preparation cause any harm? That's all i'm advising. If someone takes anything from what i've talked about, please at least just take that, prepare your stuff well with a durable and holistically multlifaceted set up. I don't have compound or cult that i'm asking people to join, i'm not seeking money in any way, all i'm doing is passing along the information that was given to me because i want more good hearted, survival knowledgeable people to survive to help out in the future.

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/09/2013 11:37:18 MDT Print View

Franco, I'm not sure if you are trying to goad me or not with your personally directed comments, but in the interest of clarity, I will briefly say I don't consider myself special. If you look at polls to do with experiences that either involve some kind of nonphysical or unexplainable experience, fairly significant percentages of people admit to having had such experiences. And I'm not talking beliefs but experience.

Perhaps the only major difference between myself and some of those others is that I have an unusual lack of social fear and concern with self image. It seems most either only talk about such things anonomysly, privately, or publicly in groups devoted to such non mainstream subjects.

Part of the reason people are hesitant to speak more openly about such things are because of treatment from people like yourself or because of fakes, cranks, swindlers who have given such subjects bad names.

Also, if I knew more details that would be helpful to individuals here,I would share more.

I feel compassion for you, because happy and whole people don't go around putting down or belittling others. I hope that someday you choose to align yourself more to that big Love that brings inner peace and joyous states and where one learns and applies the wisdom of interacting constructively and kindly with others.

Edited for spelling.

Edited by ArcturusBear on 10/09/2013 20:07:17 MDT.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Ka Blam! on 10/09/2013 12:43:45 MDT Print View

"I feel compassion for you, because happy and whole people don't go around putting down or belittling others. I hope that someday you choose to align yourself more to that big Love that brings inner peace and joyous states and where one learns and applies the wisdom of interacting constructively and kindly with others."

For the record I have no problem with busting chops and normally encourage juvenile behavior. Furthermore, I feel shorted when any given thread doesn't have at least one personal attack in it but DANG Justin.... I actually stood up and gave you a standing ovation. No offense to Franco.

...and there's the issue that I've had one too many cups of coffee and had the same reaction when I received my new stapler a few minutes ago so take it with a grain of salt.

Stay thirsty my friends.

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Re: Bugging Out on 10/09/2013 13:02:44 MDT Print View

If society really went down and your life becomes being in an armed militia fighting for resources against other armed militias in a daily struggle to survive I am not sure if I am interested.

I prepare with 2 weeks or so of emergency food in the house plus a few 5 Gallon jugs of water. Beyond that I plan on staying put and waiting for civilization to be restored. If that happens to not be enough then so be it. Based on the small chance of it happening vs. the time and cost to prepare further than that I am okay with it.

I see the prepper mind set as one of diminishing returns, a small amount of effort and cost can get you through 99% or maybe more of what you are likely to ever face. To surrvive that 1 or .1% event will take mostly take a lot of luck regardless of how you prepare. Yes prepping might up your 10 year survival rate but if shit really hits the fan you are probably likely to dire regarless of what you do. Probably due to infection from a cut on your foot or from some food borne illness, or maybe just the regular flu, or maybe something more exciting like the plague. Disease not people are likely the biggest threat in terms of 10 year survival

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy" on 10/09/2013 13:14:54 MDT Print View

"...and there's the issue that I've had one too many cups of coffee and had the same reaction when I received my new stapler a few minutes ago so take it with a grain of salt."

Ian...I believe you have my stapler....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHHZBmF8mk4

stapler

Justin...very well spoken, sir. Kudos.

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/09/2013 13:21:56 MDT.

Sharon J.
(squark) - F

Locale: SF Bay area
Ian's new stapler on 10/09/2013 13:29:31 MDT Print View

edit: Matt beat me to it

As far as emergencies go, earthquakes and fire are my biggest concerns. I haven't really thought out the latter, and the plan for the former mostly consists of keeping a first aid kit and a few gallons of water in the car and my apartment. Thanks for the reminder to update the kit.

Edited by squark on 10/09/2013 13:31:10 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Ian's new stapler on 10/09/2013 13:32:43 MDT Print View

I'm worried about a gamma ray burst

robert van putten
(Bawana) - F

Locale: Planet Bob
Survivalists or.... on 10/09/2013 13:56:00 MDT Print View

I don't consider myself a "prepper", I consider myself a homesteader.
We always get snowed in all winter, so of course we have food and what-not to last six months on hand ( or a year or two...) because hauling supplies up our mountain on snow shoes sucks.

We get a little snow in the winter...

snowy

We enjoy hunting and growing a garden, various shooting sports, making all sorts of stuff ourselves, yada, yada. You can think of it as "sustainable" or "survivalist" or whatever.
It's my chosen lifestyle that just happens to makes us relatively self sufficient and I guess enhances our survivability?

Heh, and y'all also fit into this category to a lesser or greater degree too, like it or not, because y'all are Backpackers. That means you know what to carry on yer back to sustain yerself for a while without any help at all, and you probably have all that nifty kinda gear lying about at home already.

The average Joe would have to resort to stuffing his kit into a cardboard box, plastic garbage bags or maybe a suitcase or two if he was lucky, but we all have backpacks.
A.J. ( Average Joe ) would need to pack a pile of bulky quilts or blankets stripped offa his bed, but we all have sleeping bags.
We know how to dress for being out of doors for days or even weeks at a time, can cook meals in tiny titanium cups ( or empty tin cans if push comes to shove ) over miniscule stoves or open fires, know how to site and setup various small portable shelters and so on down the line.
Some of us have quite respectable bush-craft skills and I bet everyone knows at least the basics.

So y'all are survivalists whether ya know it or not!

Which brings us full circle back to Survival-based UL kit and philosophy, which is what this thread is about!

Edited by Bawana on 10/09/2013 14:00:17 MDT.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/09/2013 14:45:44 MDT Print View

I'm all for keeping an emergency kit for such things as fires or floods, however Justin hijacked the thread with his fear mongering imminent Solar Max disaster propaganda.
I see preppers the way I see religious cults, people that not only waste their lives preparing for something that is not going to happen but also actively recruit others to validate their own believes.
After all if there is a Solar Max (whatever that is or the consequences are) or other similar event, what happens when you are out hiking ?
Should we all give up doing that just in case ?
Do we have time to go home from work or shopping to pick up our kit ?

just Justin Whitson
(ArcturusBear)
Re: Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/09/2013 15:24:35 MDT Print View

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with something or someone, its the pot shots and getting personal, especially when self is not being attacked or even addressed, that myself and I'm assuming some others disagree with. There is a difference between impersonally disagreeing and what you have done.

I was hesitant to go into any of my experiences because I didn't want to create any unnecessary fear, especially if I'm wrong which I could be. Its very easy to doubt this kind of stuff even when it happens to self and over a span of time BUT I have come to trust more than not.

What would you do in my shoes if you really believed that something like this could happen in the near future? Would you try to warn others, or stay silent?

If I was as interested in evangelicalizng as you think, I would have started the thread myself.

I don't have anymore interest in talking anymore about full collapse and why I think its probable, but others keep bringing it up. Also, collapse in the U.S. economically is somewhat feasible Solar stuff inside. We are locked inside a debt based economy where the majority are in debt and the powers that be are corrupt and self serving. The only thing keeping the dollar afloat right now is its backing by oil, but if that changes the value will plummet and with all this debt among both individuals and government, well its likely a severe depression will occur.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Bug Out Bag / Prepper Setup / Survival-based UL kit and philosophy on 10/09/2013 17:26:04 MDT Print View

Living in an earthquake zone I have given this some thought. We are probably a bit better prepared than most, as we have about a months food and lots of hiking and camping gear. We have some stored water, but I want to put in some tanks for collecting rain water. Like others have already said I decided that at some point you start to hit rapidly diminishing returns. For some people prepping is a hobby - nothing wrong with that. I have a bit of a bug out set up in the car, but probably need to improve it.

For other reasons, longer term, I would like to live off grid and be semi food self sufficient. I have heard this referred to by some as doomsteading:).

Justin asked - What would you do in my shoes if you really believed that something like this could happen in the near future? Would you try to warn others, or stay silent?

I would stay silent. The track record of people being accurate in this area is not great to say the least:). I feel that these messages we can receive are generally intended for us alone and that we are co-creators of them. I would be more concerned about peak oil and economic collapse. I have recently become aware of how important the petro-currency issue is.

Overall the only certainty is uncertainty. By all means prepare, but it's easy to get a little paranoid, especially in the internet age. Fear is the mind killer.

Richard May
(richardmay) - M

Locale: Swamplands.
dissapointed on 10/09/2013 18:51:42 MDT Print View

I was disappointed with the OP in that there were no zombie discussions here. :(

Sorry, I didn't read the previous 4 pages in their entirety.

I think that if the world goes bat-shit-crazy it's going to be the more mundane things that enable the continuation of humanity.

Those who are better equipped to create bonds and caring social structures are the ones most likely to survive because of their ability to contribute to a group. I'm surprised by the 'f___K you, I got mine' attitude put out by so many preppers. But that may just be my stereotype.

BTW, The Walking Dead starts on Sunday! :D

E2A: instead of debating why, how or if bat-shit-crazy will happen let's get over semantics to the fun stuff. I just call it bat-shit-crazy, no matter the cause. I think it's a fun exercise but don't seriously think it will ever happen.

Edited by richardmay on 10/09/2013 19:10:51 MDT.