Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?
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Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: OMG on 10/23/2013 14:21:18 MDT Print View

"Then what did you mean by nominating me for president of chaff?

(just playing straightman, lobbing softballs for people to hit out of the comedy house)"



Just because I nominated you President of Chaff, does not mean I will give you a pass, or that you can do no wrong. If anything, I hold you up to even greater standards. Just like we all should do to those we elect....
:)

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMG on 10/23/2013 15:01:32 MDT Print View

Well it's safe to say that Katharina is the BPL Marshal. I'm still waiting for my cabinet level nomination. No hurry. It's not like my feelings are hurt or anything.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Diplomat on 10/23/2013 15:23:38 MDT Print View

Ian, you are the diplomat.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Diplomat on 10/23/2013 15:59:35 MDT Print View

I humbly accept.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Diplomat? on 10/23/2013 16:32:28 MDT Print View

Diplomat?? ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ian, you don't want that job. Well...what difference does it make, I guess?

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Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 16:38:51 MDT.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Diplomat? on 10/23/2013 16:53:51 MDT Print View

Actually, I've been told that I look dang sexy in green and hipster glasses.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/23/2013 18:12:12 MDT Print View

Not the dude in green, Ian, the other guy they left for dead at the embassy......

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Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare --No one, that's who. LOL on 10/23/2013 19:41:29 MDT Print View

Looks like the individual mandate has been pushed back AT LEAST 6 more weeks.

http://benswann.com/white-house-delaying-obamacare-individual-mandate/#ixzz2iaxfzaaY

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jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OMG on 10/23/2013 19:42:29 MDT Print View

"Then what did you mean by nominating me for president of chaff?

(just playing straightman, lobbing softballs for people to hit out of the comedy house)"



Just because I nominated you President of Chaff, does not mean I will give you a pass, or that you can do no wrong. If anything, I hold you up to even greater standards. Just like we all should do to those we elect....
:)


well, that's pretty good Kat, I'll try to exceed your standards : )

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/23/2013 20:53:12 MDT Print View

Interesting story

Edited by idester on 10/23/2013 20:53:59 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/23/2013 21:15:54 MDT Print View

Doug, you rabble rouser, you.
How dare you inject a piece of investigative journalism instead of another jingoistic internet meme?

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/23/2013 21:25:07 MDT Print View

Hannity gives conservatism a bad name. Can't stand him or Bill O'Reilly. Blow-hards. Just my opinion, though. I'm sure Craig W. watches all the time :)

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/23/2013 21:26:40 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/23/2013 22:15:06 MDT Print View

then who gives conservatives a good name?

David Adair
(DavidAdair) - M

Locale: West Dakota
Re: Re: Who is signing up for Socialism on Tuesday?" on 10/24/2013 00:13:28 MDT Print View

Here is a link to a youtube video of a speech given by Ted Cruz's father. It might provide some insight into the man.

Edited by DavidAdair on 10/24/2013 00:14:22 MDT.

Dave Stoller
(BreakingAway)
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday? on 10/24/2013 00:23:01 MDT Print View

Salon is somehow more credible than Fox? C'mon.

Hit piece rebutted by a hit piece.

Why did the guy refer to a third-party calculator as opposed to an actual exchange relevant to the parties involved? Probably because A) He couldn't get on and B) He would have been required to enter a bunch of personal financial data he doesn't know in order to see any numbers.

Plus I'm pretty sure community rating, guaranteed issue and essential health benefits are required for ALL plans regardless of employee count. So there's that.

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Re: Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/24/2013 07:21:33 MDT Print View

How dare you inject a piece of "investigative journalism" instead of another jingoistic internet meme?
Salon
Investigative journalism? A pony with a plastic horn strapped to its head is not a unicorn.

Gotta go, congressional hearing on, "what the F went wrong with Obama Care web site" is on tv. Who can't guess the outcome and the findings?

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Re: Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/24/2013 07:34:06 MDT Print View

"Gotta go, congressional hearing on, "what the F went wrong with Obama Care web site" is on tv. Who can't guess the outcome and the findings?"


While I personally think it is early to call it a failure ( or a success) it sounds like the few companies that get Gov't contracts for this kind of endeavor are reluctant to see new, start up companies compete in the bids. So it's big, old companies that got the job; that and the fact that when they get a government contract, they have to lay out the process completely, step by step, leaving little room for changing and improving as they go along.
This according to NPR's "Marketplace".

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/24/2013 08:03:21 MDT Print View

While I personally think it is early to call it a failure ( or a success) it sounds like the few companies that get Gov't contracts for this kind of endeavor are reluctant to see new, start up companies compete in the bids. So it's big, old companies that got the job; that and the fact that when they get a government contract, they have to lay out the process completely, step by step, leaving little room for changing and improving as they go along.
This according to NPR's "Marketplace".

Yeah, especially when you don't bid out the contract. Ha ha ha, hu hu

Govt contracts as explained to me by a friend in the business, are expected to fail. A "success" as viewed by the private sector would be an extremely rare find. When multiple entities, committees, agencies, etc have different requests and timelines, often with conflicting goals or criteria, it is doomed before it starts. It drags out, and the companies that know how to play the game, accommodate as best as possible and continue the billing.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Opposing on 10/24/2013 08:08:15 MDT Print View

And even if one is/was opposed to the Affordable Care Act....why the desire for it to fail? If it is here to stay, we best all hope it works out, in my opinion.

I did not ready and of the documents myself, rather just articles and opinions about it; probably what the vast, vast majority of Americans and BPL folks did, but I think just about everything I read had a slant one way or the other. I don't have a tv, so no Fox for me; Slate Magazine and Reason online....small gov't slant, so against it; Salon ....left slant so for it; NPR mostly for it. The jury is still out for me on this.
I would like to see health care affordable and subsidized for those that cannot afford it; I was shocked when I first moved here and had no health care for years.


I think it would help to realize that :
1. Most people ( as in voters) on the center and left that favour this and other socialized programs, are not advocating laziness not communism - they really believe that most Americans would be better off in the system they advocate.
Like wise :
2. Most people ( as in voters) on the right and independents that are against big government....are not anti poor, not heartless; they really believe that most Americans would be better off in the system they advocate.

By understanding that, and acknowledging that there are extremes that fall outside of this premise, the discussions should remain more civil . Instead of discussing politicians that stand for special interests, and argue in favor or against the respective special interests, why not discuss ideas? If we knew what our politicians should really stand for, on both sides, we would be better voters. Right now we just gobble up what our guy, or gal, is telling us and that is enough to have us fighting one another.

Edited by Kat_P on 10/24/2013 08:47:20 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/24/2013 09:28:43 MDT Print View

"Govt contracts as explained to me by a friend in the business, are expected to fail. A "success" as viewed by the private sector would be an extremely rare find..."

Interstate highway system

All those dams like Hoover and Coulie

All that military hardware

The Internet

NASA

etc.


Yeah, the solution is to privatize, they always work efficiently, like

Enron

Lehman Brothers

General Motors

Highway 20 between Eugene and the coast, they decided to let a private company design it because that always works better, they screwed up and went bankrupt, the state took it back and did it the old way and they're slowly getting it done

etc.