Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?
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Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Why not on 10/10/2013 12:56:26 MDT Print View

@ Jennifer

This isn't a federal issue is the short answer...but it's the law of the land according to SCOTUS because it's a tax, but only for those that the POTUS didn't exempt. You have to start laughing right there, wouldn't you agree? The joke is on the collective us.

Who would be stupid enough to turn the entire healthcare system over to the same entity that runs the VA, the medicre/caids, social security, the department of agriculture, HUD, etc? They have a great track record and a huge printing press. Thats important ( the press) when you can't pay your bills.
What makes me think this will be a single payer government program? I Guess I'm just relying on some common sense and the quotes from THE ADMINISTRATION.
Anyone that didn't expect their prices to go up or the services to decrease, was a complete moron. Anyway all
Is good either way. It can't last.

Now while we're at it, let's cap gas at $1.00/gallon and no more cover charges at the gentlemen's club... for the people.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Why not on 10/10/2013 13:25:34 MDT Print View

All you ACA haters never proposed or implemented a solution.
I suppose having my health care run by for profit insurance companies where I have no way to control them is much better. Haven't you seen the costs go up every year?

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 13:34:47 MDT Print View

Tim...you still won't be able to control your healthcare. The government will decide what you will and will not be getting. Nothing changed, but it will get worse.....


Matt

masculine ├╝ber linear logical club
(prse) - MLife

Locale: Denmark
Solidarity on 10/10/2013 13:43:00 MDT Print View

Well, from a country that has one of the highest tax levels in the world, i can say that the majority here pay their taxes and smiles, knowing a lot of the tax goes to helping others when they need expensive chemo, surgery... Solidarity...feels good :-)

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 13:58:34 MDT Print View

"Tim, you still won't be able to control your healthcare. The government will decide what you will and will not be getting."

Really? By my purchasing private health insurance, of which I can choose between four different levels of coverage, how does that translate into the government being able to decide what health care I get? I've got news for you, it's still the private, for-profit insurance company that decides what I will or will not get.

And as for the VA, Medicare, etc - I'm sorry, those are fantastic plans and I would LOVE to be a part of them. When was the last time you saw seniors burning their Medicare cards because of that nasty socialized medicine they are stuck with??

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 14:04:20 MDT Print View

"VA, Medicare, etc - I'm sorry, those are fantastic plans and I would LOVE to be a part of them."

Medicare may be great, but the VA, in many, many places, truly sucks.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 14:10:08 MDT Print View

Yeah..... nothing like the overpowering smell of urine and to be treated like complete deadbeat shit by some 22 y/o with an attitude at a VA clinic. It rocks.

Our clinic must just be a bad apple because it's unbelievably uncommon to hear other veterans nationwide complain about the exact same thing. That's sarcasm for those who aren't picking up what I'm throwing down.

Edit: While snarky, the snarkiness is directed at entities other than Jennifer.

Edited by IDBLOOM on 10/10/2013 15:05:31 MDT.

Dave Stoller
(BreakingAway)
"Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 14:19:08 MDT Print View

Again, you're not buying insurance.

The health care provider clearinghouse things (whatever you want to call them) are told who their customers will be, what services must be offered, what they can charge and what their margins will be.

Is that your idea of a private business?

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Re: Re: Why not on 10/10/2013 14:37:59 MDT Print View

@ Tim

I guess you forgot to exclude me or rather failed to read my posts.

If you are naive enough to think this will give you more control, you deserve exactly what you get. Unbelievable.

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 15:39:47 MDT Print View

@jennifer

And as for the VA, Medicare, etc - I'm sorry, those are fantastic plans and I would LOVE to be a part of them. When was the last time you saw seniors burning their Medicare cards because of that nasty socialized medicine they are stuck with??

You understand medicare reimbursement rates often fall below the expenses of the provider, Drs. have been forced to eliminate or cut back on the med. patients they accept, giving patients fewer options, it's arguably insolvent (but hey, what part of the federal government isn't ?), and I don't even remember all the holes in the coverage. I'm not sure what aca will do to Medicare but I'm almost sure that it will funnel the program more money. Medicare gets a D or D-, and that's only because I'm in a really good mood today.

Edited by BFThorp on 10/10/2013 16:01:28 MDT.

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: "Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 15:51:11 MDT Print View

We need to hear more from Peter S on why european socialism sucks.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 15:52:36 MDT Print View

"And as for the VA, Medicare, etc - I'm sorry, those are fantastic plans and I would LOVE to be a part of them"

Jennifer--This VA hospital may have infected 1,800 veterans with hepatitis and HIV. Yeah, and then they gave the director of the facility a huge BONUS! I'd love that kind of coverage and treatment, how about you? You'll get your chance to experience this wonderful treatment first hand very soon, don't worry. (Facepalm)

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/30/va.hospital.hiv/index.html

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/10/2013 15:56:53 MDT.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 16:37:31 MDT Print View

Has it occurred to anyone that a government that can cut off access to national parks could do the same with your healthcare once they take total control of it?

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 17:10:15 MDT Print View

"Tim...you still won't be able to control your healthcare. The government will decide what you will and will not be getting. Nothing changed, but it will get worse....."

Still waiting for a solution from the GOP, but so far nothing.

Richard May
(richardmay)

Locale: Costa Rica
Absurd. on 10/10/2013 17:10:56 MDT Print View

@Fred:
> I Guess I'm just relying on some common sense and the quotes from THE ADMINISTRATION.

sources please.

> Who would be stupid enough to turn the entire healthcare system over to the same
> entity that runs the VA, the medicre/caids, social security, the department of
> agriculture, HUD, etc?

You give too much credit to one party. There's two of em. They both need to be strong.

> Anyone that didn't expect their prices to go up or the services to decrease,
> was a complete moron.

sources please. not your logic, your sources for these calculations. (ie prove that ACA supporters are morons)

> Now while we're at it, let's cap gas at $1.00/gallon and no more cover charges
> at the gentlemen's club... for the people.

What's the relationship?

@Matthew Perry
> Nothing changed, but it will get worse.....

sources please.

@Peter S
> Well, from a country that has one of the highest tax levels in the world,
> i can say that the majority here pay their taxes and smiles, knowing a lot
> of the tax goes to helping others when they need expensive chemo, surgery...
> Solidarity...feels good :-)

It must. You took our place as the happiest country in the world! How long have you had this system? We've had ours for some 50 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10301496/Denmark-the-worlds-happiest-country.html

@Jennifer
> When was the last time you saw seniors burning their Medicare cards because
> of that nasty socialized medicine they are stuck with??
Good question!

@Doug I
> Medicare may be great, but the VA, in many, many places, truly sucks.
Doug, I like you but same for all. Can I get a source on that?

@Dave
> The health care provider clearinghouse things (whatever you want to call them)
> are told who their customers will be, what services must be offered, what they
> can charge and what their margins will be.
Sources Please.

@Fred
> Drs. have been forced to eliminate or cut back on the med. patients they accept,
> giving
sources please

> I'm not sure what aca will do to Medicare but I'm almost sure that it will
> funnel the program more money.
assumptions don't count.

@Matthew Perry
> You'll get your chance to experience this wonderful treatment first hand
> very soon, don't worry.

Thanks for the source. That sucks. I'm sure private health care never took coverage away from a patient to increase their pocket books either. Nor did they ever make you fight, tooth and nail, for every penny they covered you for. yeah, awesome.

See, there's all kinds of shit throw from both sides. Maybe backing up our statements with sources without throwing shit would be more productive. But hey, this is really about bickering and not about constructing a solution, right? Politics.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Re: re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday? on 10/10/2013 17:11:13 MDT Print View

"I think Jennifer touched on something that I agree with. A large problem with our health care systems is that it is mostly associated with our jobs. "


+2

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 17:17:47 MDT Print View

Has it occurred to anyone that a government that can cut off access to national parks could do the same with your healthcare once they take total control of it?

Luckily I'm not that far from Mexico. I don't know what their illegal immigrant treatment options are, but it might beat none at all.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Will this kill Republicans in next elections? on 10/10/2013 17:35:10 MDT Print View

Will this kill the Republicans in the next election?

Especially Cruz who thought he was so clever out "Rand Paulling" with his "fillibuster"?

Public opinion of Republicans has dropped through the floor, but also Democrats. It will be interesting to see how people think in a month or year.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Sources Please!!!! on 10/10/2013 17:36:16 MDT Print View

Sources please.

All of you.

For everything.

















Are we having fun yet?

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 17:41:36 MDT Print View

""Tim...you still won't be able to control your healthcare. The government will decide what you will and will not be getting. Nothing changed, but it will get worse....."

Still waiting for a solution from the GOP, but so far nothing."

I agree 100%. Doesn't mean Obamacare will be better, though.

Matt