Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?
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jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: ? on 10/09/2013 11:04:25 MDT Print View

"Try your plan in Washington st., and when it works so well, is affordable, and the services don't suffer, I'll urge my state rep to adopt it."

When the Republicans had more power, they doubled social security tax, started two wars, passed tax cuts that went mostly to wealthy, put in supreme court justices that make all sorts of wacky decisions,...

So we tried their plan and it didn't work so well in my opinion, but the super wealthy got super wealthier so from their perspective, it worked just fine

Now the Democrats ended the two wars, got rid of some of the unfair tax cuts, finally after decades out-maneuvered the Republicans and got passed some sort of a solution to health care.

This is the way our government works - you and I don't get to opt out of stuff we disagree with

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
That you on 10/09/2013 12:16:44 MDT Print View

Guys applaud the destruction of part of the private sector, apparently think centralized decision making is best, and entrust these huge decisions with attorneys, for the most part who have no business experience, is just a little unsettling.

BTW the exchange website cost us .63 Billion Dollars. It will eventually defund itself, I'll bet a steak dinner on that. Any takers?

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Romneycare on 10/09/2013 12:24:28 MDT Print View

"Yeah. Let's take the whole country, almost one quarter of the economy, and try this big experiment.

Try your plan in Washington st., and when it works so well, is affordable, and the services don't suffer, I'll urge my state rep to adopt it."


--

Each state gets it own experiment.

Mass. is happy for the most with theirs, no?

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/09/2013 19:04:27 MDT Print View

"Now the Democrats ended the two wars, "--jerry adams

TWO wars? Not yet. Sorry, Jerry, I think my son in Afghanistan would disagree with you on that. They might have a date for pull out, but the war is actually still going on quite well. Actually, instead of taking generators down (his MOS is electrician) he is installing more and more of them and is actually training his replacements who just got there. He was told by the Marines his unit would be the last to deploy 6 months ago, but evidently, like everything else this administration says, that was not quite true. He isn't the only one wondering why we are installing state of the art generators that cost millions of dollars if we are pulling out in less than 6 months. Hmmmmmmm.....?

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/09/2013 20:11:55 MDT.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
The President Tries To Explain Obamacare on 10/09/2013 19:07:18 MDT Print View

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vlpg0nPaeQI

Matt

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/09/2013 20:38:40 MDT Print View

modernworld

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/09/2013 21:27:22 MDT Print View

thuggies

Richard May
(richardmay)

Locale: Costa Rica
Massachusetts on 10/10/2013 06:40:55 MDT Print View

LOL the levity was needed!

Here's an NPR story on the Massachusetts plan.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/10/01/227887992/lessons-for-the-obamacare-rollout-courtesy-of-massachusetts

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Mass on 10/10/2013 08:29:13 MDT Print View

Richard, I see the coverage numbers from Mass., some costs, but never the services and supplier positions. Just curious. It may be the perfect deal, I dunno. I still wouldn't want it mandated nationwide.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 10:09:37 MDT Print View

Anyone notice the difference in the two cartoons? Sophistication level?

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 10:15:59 MDT Print View

At least there's no Hitler mustache : )

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Re: Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 10:44:32 MDT Print View

I'm going to ask this question with the realization that I probably am not going to get a straightforward answer.

Would someone please explain to me, in actual logical, reasonable arguments based in FACT, what the main problem is with Obamacare? It is not government healthcare (which I will disclosed that I want, both as a patient and as a healthcare provider), since the whole point is that we buy PRIVATE insurance.

Other than legally requiring minimal coverage, which is to protect the rest of us from having to pick up the tab when an uninsured or underinsured person has a heart attack, or stroke, or cancer, or an accident, where is the government takeover? Where is the socialism? Because frankly I think that would be great.......

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 10:50:56 MDT Print View

Prior to ACA my daughter was too old to be covered by our family plan. Now she is covered.

The GOP had eight years to do something and all they did was the unfunded Medicare part D.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
ACA issues on 10/10/2013 10:57:19 MDT Print View

Some will not like that there are tax breaks for lower income people. This does at least two things.

It makes taxpayers, rather than other health care and health insurance users, pay part of the insurance premium costs. (Which I am fine with).
In some states (RED) that didn't accept Fed government help and increase Medicaid, it puts an extra burden on the really poor who don't pay Federal Income tax, but do have to pay a fines if they can't afford coverage. (Not okay in my opinion).

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 11:06:18 MDT Print View

"Would someone please explain to me, in actual logical, reasonable arguments based in FACT, what the main problem is with Obamacare?"

Jennifer...for me, it goes like this:

"Hello...what kind of gum would you like to buy today, sir?"

"None. I'm good, thanks!"

"OK...tax on that will be $4.38, please...."


----Matt

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 11:14:57 MDT Print View

Matthew- But don't you understand that you ARE going to chew that gum anyway? You say you don't want it, you aren't going to pay for it, but you are *going* to chew it. And then ask ME to pay $14.62 for it because you wouldn't buy it from the corner store.......

Edited by Jenmitol on 10/10/2013 11:17:33 MDT.

Jennifer Mitol
(Jenmitol) - M

Locale: In my dreams....
Re: ACA issues on 10/10/2013 11:16:26 MDT Print View

Actually David I'm pretty sure if you are in a state that didn't expand Medicaid and are too poor for subsidies, you are not fined for not having coverage. The big problem is that these folks will still use the most expensive treatment option available to them: acute care in an emergency room. That all of us have to pay for anyway.

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
"Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 11:17:41 MDT Print View

"Anyone notice the difference in the two cartoons? Sophistication level?"

"At least there's no Hitler mustache : )"

HA! Fooled you BOTH! This one better?:

smokey

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/10/2013 11:18:14 MDT.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Loophole for poorest working prevents subsidies for spouses and kids. on 10/10/2013 11:45:20 MDT Print View

"Actually David I'm pretty sure if you are in a state that didn't expand Medicaid and are too poor for subsidies, you are not fined for not having coverage. The big problem is that these folks will still use the most expensive treatment option available to them: acute care in an emergency room. That all of us have to pay for anyway."

Okay, I see where the IRS just said they won't be fined. But--

"About 500 000 children would be left without insurance and the poorest Americans could be fined under President Obama’s new health care law because of a loophole that the administration and Congress failed to fix.

Lawmakers passed the Affordable Care Act in 2010 without taking care of a loophole that would make it impossible for low-income families to purchase health care for their themselves or their children. Under the health care law, anyone who fails to acquire insurance will be forced to pay a heavy tax penalty – including those who can’t afford their employer’s insurance plans."

http://rt.com/usa/americans-care-law-loophole-179/

Matthew Perry
(bigfoot2) - F

Locale: Oregon
Who is signing up for ObamaCare (aka ACA) on Tuesday?" on 10/10/2013 11:59:54 MDT Print View

"Matthew- But don't you understand that you ARE going to chew that gum anyway? You say you don't want it, you aren't going to pay for it, but you are *going* to chew it. And then ask ME to pay $14.62 for it because you wouldn't buy it from the corner store......."

I hear you, Jennifer, but it really sticks in my craw (and lots of other people's, too), when we are being told by the government what to do. Americans don't generally like that. I agree that we are in need of health insurance reform and care should be affordable for everyone, but Obamacare is not the way to do it. It really is a train wreck. It's going to have the opposite effect on the very people it is designed to help. America is the richest, most prosperous nation on earth...we should be able to cover every citizen if they so wish. Notice, I said "if they so wish", because healthcare is not a right. It's really just about control and the average citizen will have less and less of it over their own healthcare (administered by ...the IRS for God's sake....). Someone much more intelligent than myself once said that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have away.

Here's a good video explaining my position (with really bad acting):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwBmJ0LXPAo

Matt

Edited by bigfoot2 on 10/10/2013 12:25:08 MDT.