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Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/28/2013 18:39:35 MDT Print View

I created this special StarLyte burner to be used as a "designated" burner for simmering.

Weighs 1/2 ounce and holds 1.250 ounces of fuel in suspension for safe handling.

Burns for 16 minutes on 1/2 ounce of fuel.

Comes with lid.

Special Sale Price for BPL members is $12.00 total cost that includes shipping in CONUS. Sale is for 7 days only.
Use special paypal button at bottom of page that is designated for BPL members.

Limit 1 (one) per customer.

StarLyte Burner for Simmering



The one on the far right is the one for simmering.
The one in the middle is the modified burner.
The one on the left is the original burner.
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This is a photobucket video, click on the photo to view video.
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 video SimmeringStarLyte_zpsfe37c86f.mp4

Edited by zelph on 09/28/2013 20:04:51 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/28/2013 19:04:57 MDT Print View

Thank you Davenport, CA. I'll begin shipping orders on Monday.

Thank you Richland, WA

Edited by zelph on 09/28/2013 20:06:07 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/29/2013 07:12:29 MDT Print View

Reading a recent thread gave me the idea to create this burner.

This thread is what inspired me to create a designated simmer stove/burner

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/29/2013 08:52:25 MDT Print View

Since you are essentially just reducing the amount of flame area. Could the same not be done with a washer in the center?

James Klein
(jnklein21) - M

Locale: Southeast
washer on 09/29/2013 09:07:53 MDT Print View

The problem with a washer or similar is it doesn't seal off the top area as well. Result is stove start off slow but then really picks up speed as things warm up.

Here is my work in progress for simmering with a starlyte:

simmertop

simmer on

Tooling foil- 1-2grs. Will simmer 15ml (12gr) alchy for 23mins.

Edited to correct my units (15 fluid Oz's is a lot :() )

Edited by jnklein21 on 09/29/2013 20:43:18 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/29/2013 18:21:43 MDT Print View

Ken, I agree with James. Once the burner heats up the vapors will start coming out from the outer edges of the washer and negate the simmer.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/29/2013 18:26:41 MDT Print View

I see what goes on now. Thanks.

Edited by kthompson on 09/29/2013 18:51:16 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/29/2013 20:32:01 MDT Print View

Hi Dan,

Slightly off topic, but how do you think a Starlyte necked down for simmering would work for just plain heating water to, say, 170 degrees. I am thinking fuel efficiency here. Time is not that important for me.

Thanks,

Tom

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Re: Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/29/2013 21:41:24 MDT Print View

Hi Tom, It's always been my belief that slower is better for efficiency. The necked down StarLtye for simmering is slower and more efficient. It would be great for your 170 degree water.

Sgt. Rock of Hiking Headquarters.com and the designer of the Ion stove advocates "slower" as does Tony Beasley designer of the Volcano alcohol stove.

Here is link to Tony's thread here at BPL that gives some good info:

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=12503

robert v
(mtnbob123) - F

Locale: Upstate South Carolina
Hi Dan on 09/29/2013 21:57:41 MDT Print View

Sent you an order on this stove plus a question.
Thanks
Robert

Alpine Dad
(AlpineDad)
Canadian BPL members? on 09/30/2013 06:19:36 MDT Print View

Is there an option for Canadian BPL members?

Cheers

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Canadian BPL members? on 09/30/2013 06:42:02 MDT Print View

Robert, got the message and both orders, one of each, will ship today, thank you :-)

Alpine Dad, I'll make a paypal button for international orders today for BPL members. Thanks for the reminder ;)

I had a thought yesterday that one of each burners, regular and the simmer burner could be JB welded together by their bottoms. The simmer one could be filled with enough fuel to simmer for however long you wanted and the cap put on. The regular one filled with enough fuel to bring your water to a boil. Once the water comes to a boil, lift the pot, blow the burner out, flip over and ignite the simmer burner. Just a thought and I'll try it as soon as I can get time to play :-)

James K, what size hole and are you pleased with the flame output?

Edited by zelph on 09/30/2013 06:44:01 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/30/2013 09:08:53 MDT Print View

Thank you!

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Edited by zelph on 10/01/2013 07:39:34 MDT.

John Davis
(JCD) - F

Locale: Southeast
Dual burner on 09/30/2013 09:48:33 MDT Print View

Great idea. Looking forward to the results

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
simmer burner on 09/30/2013 16:28:23 MDT Print View

Ordered. YAY! Thanks Dan!:-))

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: simmer burner on 09/30/2013 17:14:11 MDT Print View

"Is there an option for Canadian BPL members?"

It should work as well at high latitudes as it does at high altitudes.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Canadian BPL members? on 09/30/2013 17:20:54 MDT Print View

I created a paypal button for Canadian and European BPL members.

http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/starlyte-burner-with-lid.php

Thank you to all that have purchased this new burner option :-)

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 09/30/2013 17:41:39 MDT Print View

"It's always been my belief that slower is better for efficiency. The necked down StarLtye for simmering is slower and more efficient. It would be great for your 170 degree water."

That has always been my belief as well, Dan, no matter what kind of stove I'm using,
but it is good to get confirmation from an expert. Matter of fact, I believed it enough to order one of your "Simmerlytes" before I even read your reply. ;0)

Thanks for the quick response.

Tom

James Klein
(jnklein21) - M

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Canadian BPL members? on 09/30/2013 19:06:25 MDT Print View

The snap on piece in my pic above has an opening if ~2cm / 7/8".

I haven't settled on it as optimized. I like the burn rate of this one in the kitchen but bet the output may be too little out in the cold. I may do a few different sizes and pick one to suit based on conditions.

Note that the burn rate I give above (.5grs/min) is inside a cone stand with pot. Stove all by itself (with/o all if the reflected thermal feedback is much slower).

I bet you could make a really nice set of these add ons that could be accessories to the cone compatible starlyte.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
"Simmerlytes" on 10/01/2013 07:54:20 MDT Print View

Tom, thanks for your comment. When we think back on how well the Esbitmizer worked because the burn rate could be slowed down by sliding the lid over it we can apply the principle to the StarLyte burner as well. I had to retire the burner because I could not purchase the same size container from the original source, discontinued....bummer. I like how you named the new burner "Simmerlytes" :-)

James, I was a little leary going any smaller with the diameter opening on the burner but may go one size smaller and do some testing in cold weather when alcohol is harder to light when there is a little breeze.

Thank you Desert Dweller :-)

Edited by zelph on 10/01/2013 07:55:49 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Back to Back "Simmerlytes" on 10/01/2013 18:40:11 MDT Print View

I made them back to back, one regular and one simmer, and did one test. 1/2 ounce in each burner. Set it down on a sheet of silicone rubber to seal the bottom "simmer" burner while the regular burner went it's coude through the 1/2 ounce. No vapors were noticed coming from the bottom burner. I tested it occasionall with a lit match touched to the base edge. I tried turning the unit over when the top burner was almost out and whooompfh, the bottom burner lit instantly with a large amount of flame. condensed fuel was on the silicone pad aflame :-) That was a shot of adrenalin :-))))) So, the unit would have to be fueled one at a time.

It took a long time for the bottom burner to heat up to a point of not being able to hold onto for very long. I think I could have had a lid on the bottom burner while the top was boiling water. Blow out the top burner, turn over, remove lid and then light. I'll have to try that tomorrow.

Photobucket video, click on photo to view:

 video backtobackburners_zps40660732.mp4

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
How Long Two Cups on 10/02/2013 22:48:43 MDT Print View

Thanks for the BPL deal, Zelph. Just put in an order.

Can you tell me, in moderate ambient temperatures, how long it takes to boil 2 cups with the SimmerLyte?

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
StarLyte Burner for Simmering on 10/03/2013 00:32:24 MDT Print View

Hey Dan,

Is this (simmer ring) something I can adapt to my original StarLyte, or do I need to buy a completely new stove in addition to my existing StarLyte?

Thanks, Jack

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: How Long Two Cups on 10/03/2013 06:23:37 MDT Print View

"Delmar" thank you for your purchase. I'll boil 2 cups today and post the results this evening.

"backpack jack" I don't see that there is any easy way to adapt the original. It's not possible to remove the top ring without damaging it.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Nice! on 10/07/2013 16:33:45 MDT Print View

Got the stove today -- wow: smaller and more "professionally built" than I expected (since other stoves I've purchased look like undisguised bits of soda cans). The fit and finish is excellent. Now Zelph, do you recommend a particular height above the stove to place the pot? Or should I default to the typical two inches?

Edited by Bolster on 10/07/2013 16:35:17 MDT.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Nice! on 10/08/2013 08:33:55 MDT Print View

thank you Delmar, make them nice or I wouldn't make them available to my friends :-)

1" from top of burner to bottom of pot.

I'm at a campground in ohio, last night I had a once in a lifetime experience. The area all around may campsite was was alive with glowing "glow worms" or some other luminescent crawling insect. I'll be back home in 2 days.

Steve Martell
(Steve) - MLife

Locale: Eastern Washington
Simmerlyte--Slow but Efficient on 10/11/2013 13:50:12 MDT Print View

Just got mine a few days ago and I'm quite impressed on its efficiency. With my current cooking setup (prototype bottle/kettle) I've managed several 2 cup boils using 12 grams of 190 proof alcohol (Everclear). When used with SLX alcohol it only reached 200F with 14 grams. I've avoided burning high ethanol alcohol in the past due to carbon/soot deposits but this stoves burns extremely clean. Now I can go back to Everclear and have a multi-use fuel. :)

Boil tests: * 2 cups (473g water) at 39F
* Heating rate (with 190proof) about 10-12 degrees (F) per minute
* Boil time 15 to 17 minutes (500' above sea level)


My Simmerlyte holds 39 grams which should equal three cold water boils--enough for a short trip w/o carrying extra fuel. Nice work Dan!

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Simmerlyte--Slow but Efficient on 10/11/2013 14:22:59 MDT Print View

Steve, thanks for the feedback.

Test it at home first to see if you can get 3 boils out of it. You may find it hard to light when going for the 3rd boil, dunno, have not tried to do that.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: "Simmerlytes" on 10/30/2013 20:05:22 MDT Print View

A couple of reviews have arrived on the SimmerLyte burner. One deals with the burner being used in a Caldera Cone. These are unsolicited.

I'm glad they are working well. Thank you for the reviews.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/reviews/display_reviews?forum_thread_id=82867&cat=Stoves%20-%20Alcohol&cid=18

Quote:

Daniel Collins
( Diablo-V )
Starlyte Simmer stove on 10/11/2013 07:30:28 MDT Report Post Print
Rating: 5 / 5

I just got my newly debuted Starlyte simmer stove from Zelph. He was monitoring a forum thread here at BPL where we were discussing a need for something that would simmer in a Caldera Cone Tri-Ti. He decided to release this on the market as the thread was ongoing.

I have not had time to post a full technical review yet but this tiny featherweight stove will earn its weight in saved fuel by allowing me to reliably simmer with a Caldera Cone. The stove comes with the cap to save unused fuel, is convenient and safe with the carbon wool holding the unburned alcohol. This is a practical answer to spirit stove cooking as no stove does EVERYTHING well. This one gets slipped in when the food has reached boil- to replace the boil stove. It should simmer as long as anyone would need. I will post numbers when I get them. Bravo and thanks for this stove.
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Steve Martell
Eastern Washington
Simmerlyte: Slow but Efficient on 10/13/2013 17:52:10 MDT
Rating: 5 / 5

I concur with the above and I'm quite impressed on the efficiency of this stove. With my current cooking setup (prototype bottle/kettle) I've managed several 2 cup boils using 12 grams of 190 proof alcohol (Everclear). When used with SLX alcohol it only reached 200F with 14 grams. I've avoided burning high ethanol alcohol in the past due to carbon/soot deposits but this stove burns extremely clean. Now I can go back to Everclear and have a multi-use fuel. :)

Boil tests:
* 2 cups (473g water) at 39F
* Heating rate (with 190proof) about 10-12 degrees (F) per minute
* Boil time 15 to 17 minutes (500' above sea level)


The Simmerlyte holds about 39 grams which should equal three cold water boils--4 if the water is warmer. This is enough for a short trip w/o carrying extra fuel. Nice work Dan!


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Edited by zelph on 10/30/2013 20:23:32 MDT.